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2/24/2006 1:50:00 PM - ZIIK - 2,501 posts (#11)
Ale: The guy again proves his value to the team. Diggs, too. I hope if Montrell has some problems he comes to realize how important every one of Karl's players are to this team, and that he comes back to learn and to play.
2/22/2006 7:26:00 PM - NH G-Dub - 108 posts (#150)

Ukraine Train!

My boy Ale bringing it on both ends tonight.  Good for him, great contributions at tight junctures.

2/22/2006 8:14:00 PM - Dookas - 83 posts (#168)
Yeah! White Russian!
2/23/2006 6:33:00 AM - Alumnus - 2,023 posts (#15)
Ale and Diggs saved our behind last night.  Ale looked so confident and smooth on his offensive moves, and he's going for rebounds much stronger.  Diggs did the job too -- I'm looking forward to seeing a lot more of him net season, and he can make some important contributions the rest of this one, too.
2/23/2006 6:55:00 AM - Mailvan - 1,041 posts (#27)
Hey Dougie, buzz off.  Not once have I ever said "Ale sucks".  In fact, I've often condemned those who have said this.  For the record, I have repeatedly said that I didn't feel he deserved to be in the rotation.  Last night, he proved me wrong and I was thrilled to see it.  That was the best game I have ever seen Ale play and there isn't a "close second" on my list. Congratulations, Ale.
2/23/2006 7:47:00 AM - Gotta Have My Pops - 91 posts (#162)
This goes out to all of those bitch GW "fans" who would boo Ale whenever he stepped into a game: How 'bout that Ukraine Train?
2/23/2006 8:59:00 AM - steveg202 - 176 posts (#111)

Ale played one of his best games last night and the fans showed him deserved appreciation.  As importantly Ale played well when we needed him.  He played strong and shot well. I was really happy for him last night.

To those who might get down on Ale I say give it a rest.  He is a slow(er) guy on a fast team that is FAR better now than when he was recruited.  Most importantly, Ale gives his all every chance he gets.   I'm proud to have him on our team and hope his efforts enable him to put together some good minutes down this year's stretch.  It's nice to see him enjoying himself and succeeding for GW.   

2/23/2006 9:05:00 AM - Gotta Have My Pops - 91 posts (#162)
Well said Steve
2/23/2006 9:18:00 AM - LEVINATOR - 1,532 posts (#19)

So let's get this straight Mailvan--- You repeatedly said that Ale doesn't deserve to be in the rotation.  That's pretty clear to me.  you on't think Ale should play.  You never said "Ale sucks, but Ale shouldn't play. 

Yet, last night, Ale proved YOU wrong.  AND--you were thrilled to see it.  You know what I'd be thrilled to see.   Perhaps it woul dbe awesome to see  if LFO agrees with you 100% on Ale as well.  'Cause that would also make him 100% wrong when it comes to our boy Ale. 

I'm on your back Mailvan cause I think that most often you provide ecellent debate points. I also am on LFO's back becuase its' fun.  I just have never met someone who agreed with everything a stranger/poster says.  That being said, it doesn't take anything away from your views when you admit Ale was great last night. 

However, you should realize by now that other fans are reading what you say and thus, whether you like it or not, must own up to the various theories/comments you say on players/schedule/AD when they become blatantly flawed.

I promise you this, if GW wins out, then wins the A-10 tourney and we get a 4seed or worse...I will gladly admit my error in not valuing our SOS and OOC enough into the seeding equation.  I won't be "thrilled" about being wrong, but I'm man enough to admit it.  

2/23/2006 9:30:00 AM - Gotta Have My Pops - 91 posts (#162)
Mailvan and Longing for Oscar are the same poster - it's so freggin obvious...
2/23/2006 9:53:00 AM - doug sandels - 746 posts (#34)
I'm still surprised that HERVE hasn't copy and pasted their posting IP's to "out" them.
2/23/2006 9:55:00 AM - Waterboy - 41 posts (#207)

What are you people talking about??  I watched the game last night and all I saw was him getting some good put backs and playing more weak basketball.  All you Kirev appologists all did see him get the rebound right under the goal wide open, hesitate, and then get stuffed on the putback, right?

I know this is unpopular and you can tear me a new one, but he has not developed as a player the way he should have.  I went to GW the whole time he was there and have seen many of his perfomances throughout the years.  Yeah, he scored si in seven minutes last night and showed great hustle getting after the ball, but his points and his effort were a product of our play not his personal development.  We play fast, have a lot of people crashing the boards and have a lot of loose balls and rebounds to clean up.  He did that and moved at the speed of everyone else, which is admirable for a slow player, but that is the status quo - not somehting outstanding that we should sing his praises for.  At NO time did he actuall post his SEVEN FOOT ass up on somone in our half court offense, catch an entry pass, make a good post move, and score.  Why are all of you deepthroating him?

To make my case more clear, see Omar.  He came as a young player and played scared as well, but now he will dunk on people and make agressive driving moves on people he was always capable of!!  He is playing this season with a style that no one imagined he would develop into.  Now that's admirable, we should all chip in after the season and get him those calf implants he has always needed.

2/23/2006 9:56:00 AM - Mailvan - 1,041 posts (#27)

Levinator, I've read your post several times and while I appreciate your having my back, I'm honestly unclear on what you are saying.  If you're upset because I was thrilled that Ale proved me wrong, you're missing the larger point..Ale helped us win that game last night.  I am a fan of this team first and foremost and if you don't think that I want the very best things for this team, you're mistaken.  Similarly, if we end up being a #2 seed, which as we know I do not see happening, I'll be thrilled about that as well because this will only improve our chances of doing well in the tournament.  If you want to consider this having it both ways, I could care less.  I do not drum up negative opinions for the sake of being negative.  My opinions are sincere and in some areas, very positive.  As for Ale, the unfortunate reality in my opinion is that he has played many a game in a GW uniform where I've felt his play has hurt the team.  I'm sorry if this ruffles some feathers but I think this is a whole lot more respectable way of epressing an opinion than the alternative.  Lately, he has looked much better and as I've posted, never better than last night.  Do I think he'd start on most Top 25 teams?  Not a chance.  Do I hope he gets to contribute again?  Based on last night's play, I do, albeit in a limited manner.

2/23/2006 10:07:00 AM - LEVINATOR - 1,532 posts (#19)

Upset?  Upset over what?  your thoughts about Ale?  Umm...no.

I'm just reminding you that sometimes when you make your points (on Ale in the past0 and then you post that you were thrilled to be wrong about him...then you should take some of the heat coming your way.  That's all.  I mean you have said, albeit in a nice manner, that you don't feel Ale should be playing.  yet, without him last night, how would we have faired?  Injuries happen ALL the time, so to have ale behind Pops was huge for us.  As for starting on any top 25 team...well Herve maybe chiding you a little.  I think he may get significant minutes...but certainly wouldnt start on all teams.  

Ps-  I don't have your back...I'm on your back.   (jk.)  When it comes to most debates, I do agree with you.  I think you know the only two issues that we disagree on.  And on one of them, it seems as we near the finish line, we may end up gonig toe to toe on, with FQ there to back up any of the factual data we distort...I mean provide.     

2/23/2006 10:16:00 AM - Free Quebec - 5,719 posts (#2)
Waterboy -- Clearly it was you who didn't watch the game.  Ale twice caught the ball in the post and put up strong power moves, attacking the defender by using his size to put up a baby hook going to the basket instead of fading away like he used to.

Really not sure what you think you saw last night, but you got it wrong.

2/23/2006 10:20:00 AM - NJsPride - 354 posts (#64)

If Kireev was playing on a team that ran a half-court style offense and slowed down the tempo, he would average 10 points on 25 minutes game.

He's just a good player on the wrong team.

He certainly eceeded epectations last night, and kept it in the game though, primarily because the guard play was focused on getting the ball inside, even with no Pops.  I really think his confidence came from their confidence in him.

2/23/2006 10:27:00 AM - Alumnus - 2,023 posts (#15)
Waterboy, what's bothering you, that he didn't goof the game up so you could trash him?  Is that your idea of a good time? I could agree that Ale hasn't developed as we'd hoped, but I disagree with you on what I saw last night.  I saw at least two of his three baskets that were anything but easy putbacks.  They were two very nice offensive moves.  Plus, just being in the right position to get a rebound and lay it in is a skill that not every big man has.  Maybe he didn't bull people over.  So what?  Is that the definition of a great center, that he bulls people over?  Patrick Ewing, Willis Reed, I could name you a number of NBA centers who were on the top 50 NBA players of all-time list or in the Hall of Fame whose best moves were jumpers or moves away from the basket -- how about Kareem and the sky hook?  Look at Pittsnogle -- he doesn't play anywhere near the basket and he's being written up in Sports Illustrated.  As far as his development, unfortunately for him, he wound up on a team where a deliberate style of play doesn't get you the minutes to develop in-game.  I don't think anyone's deluded that he's suddenly become a first-round draft choice.  But what's the point in trashing him?  He's been trashed too much already.  Why not appreciate that he's doing what he can for us with what he has, and a few times this season he's made signficant contributions?  Sometimes all he does is hold the fort to give our other big guys a breather so they can come back and run the floor.  Those are precisely the types of contributions that make a season great instead of just good.
2/23/2006 10:27:00 AM - BLUE SEATS - 372 posts (#61)

A point of fact - Mailvan did not say "Ale sucks." As someone who has consistently derided all those who would say "Ale sucks", I know who posted it, it wasn't Mailvan and we'll leave it at that or this thread will likely degenerate.

As for Ale - he was critical to last night's game because he gave us 6 points at huge junctures of the game when we were back on our heels a little bit. It would be nice to see him have a strong finish to his career at GW

2/23/2006 10:31:00 AM - Gotta Have My Pops - 91 posts (#162)

Everybody here is entitled to judge a players abilities anyway they see fit. In the same tone, everybody here has the right to post their thoughts about a player (this is why I’m not mad at mailvan). But, if you're a GW fan, and you boo one of our own players during a home game, then you deserve to get the shit kicked out of you; plain and simple... 

In the very recent past, I've witnessed many of our "fans" booing Ale at the Smith Center - I can tell that this Waterboy douche-bag is probably one of them. I can't even begin to tell you how sick it makes me to see GW "fans" booing a GW player. Can you ever imagine playing for a team whose OWN fans booed you??? How the hell would you ever be able to build confidence in your game when your own fans don’t want to see you succeed? Well Ale has been going through this BS since he was a Freshman, but last night, he tore all of these so-called "fans" that are used to booing him, a new one.

2/23/2006 10:37:00 AM - RCH - 9 posts (#239)

Kireev's nothing-but-net jump hook in the first half from about 7 feet out was one of the prettiest post moves I've seen from a GW big man this season, if not for the perfect conversion, then for the quick decision to make the move.  That being said, I think we will all be quite pleased if we can continue to get maybe 5 solid spot minutes per game from Ale in the post.  Admittedly, I've had the tendency to groan under my breath whenever Ale has approached the scorer's table to check-in over the last few seasons.  However, this season, he's turned me.  He has gotten progressively much more confident and decisive down low.  Even when he's looked relatively unsure and unsteady at times this season, it has been much better than previous seasons.  He also fights much harder for rebounds where in the the past it's literally seemed to me that he just stood in place waiting for the ball to drop into his hands uncontested.  All we need is an occasional four or five minutes to spot Pops for a breather or keep him out of foul trouble.  In my opinion, the way Ale has filled that role this season, he's done the job well without costing us any.

2/23/2006 11:12:00 AM - Air Force Cane - 50 posts (#199)

have to agree- those buckets he made were NOT easy baskets- they were actually amazingly athletic for Kireev to make. I have never seen him look so smooth under the basket.

if you think it is so easy- you should be on Diggs and Koundjia for missing the same attempts that Kireev made last night!

2/23/2006 11:49:00 AM - Waterboy - 41 posts (#207)

First, I would never boo any GW player, those people are not real fans.  I was the first one to stand up and cheer when Kirev hit the floor all over that guy when the ball was barely even loose for a second.

I admire his hustle.

At the same time his offensive ability that you are all touting is not what you make it out to be.  I am simply providing a little FO News "fair and balanced" to this board.  Mind you, I did not start this conversation by trashing him.  I know we are good and we are all ecited about that, but this is a thread that could have been done without.  Let me also say I would never start a thread trashing him or any other player and insert such criticism into some a conversation, it's just not necessary.  But, you people were going far overboard and someone needed to inject some reality.

The moves he made were weak; the 'baby hook,' was a piss in.  I stand by my post.

2/23/2006 12:05:00 PM - Hatchet Man - 502 posts (#43)
It figures, Water Boy, that you would further sully this board with your Fo News name-drop, you tool.  Look, everyone cannot be a starter.  Players sometimes are not well-suited to a team's style of play or don't develop as much as others.  There's no crime in that.  Ale fills his role admirably.  He is a backup, and will continue to be.
2/23/2006 12:08:00 PM - ZIIK - 2,501 posts (#11)
One game doesn't make a season or a career, and I know Ale has had his troubles. I'll always believe he should have been redshirted, and been made to do nothing but pump iron for a year. Still, he's a valuable member of this team, as much as any other guy, and Karl and the other players seem to acknowledge it. As for the "Ale sucks" remarks, I don't have BS's memory and can't recall who said it. I do recall arguing with someone who said repeatedly that Ale was a "detriment" to the team and that he did not deserve playing time. To that poster, since he refuses to fully acknowledge his unwarranted remarks about Mrs. Kireev's baby boy, I think "SUCK IT!" would be a rather understated retort.
2/23/2006 12:13:00 PM - Alumnus - 2,023 posts (#15)

OK, Waterboy, will this make you happy:  I'm actually giving Ale a backhanded compliment .   I never thought I'd see him make even those plays in an important game against a conference opponent that caused me genuine concern that they were going to beat us.  Jeez, what is the point?  I was one of the first people on this thread to praise him.  I'm not going to apologize for what I said, but I don't read in any of my posts that he'll soon be known as a combination of  Dirk Nowitzki, Pau Gasol, and Toni Kukoc.  Even if I said something silly like that, who would be hurt?  If you're looking to hunt heads when we're 23-1, what would you be like if we were mediocre?

2/23/2006 12:18:00 PM - GWLaw91 - 267 posts (#80)

I would love to see Ale start on Saturday.  No need to push Pops if he need more time to rest the knee.  If we get in trouble, and Pops is able, then of course you put him in. 

2/23/2006 12:33:00 PM - Boston Pops - 162 posts (#118)
Kireev has always frustrated me because i think he has some decent low post moves.  I too think a red shirting would have been a good option.  If he had a good game last nite that's great to hear, especially if Pop's knee is at all a continuing problem.  Mailvan, its good to see you so upbeat.!  Who knows anything about Hall's physical condition?  Has his physical condition effected his play? in what way?
2/23/2006 12:48:00 PM - Mailvan - 1,041 posts (#27)
Ziik, I don't know what's funnier, your selective memory or yesterday when you were continually referring to yourself in the third person.  In any case, you have once again succeeded to put words in my mouth so allow me to set the record straight.  I have never said that Ale sucks, nor  have I ever said that Ale should be off the team.  I have never booed Ale in person.  I do not at all refuse to acknowledge my remarks as you've stated.  I have said that Ale's play has been detrimental to the team and I have said that Ale does not deserve to be part of the regular rotation (which is quite different than saying he should never play.  I'd have no problem with him playing once the outcome of a game had been decided at any stage of his career at GW).  My opinions about Ale have never been based on a single game but were only issued after I had seen enough of his play to justify an opinion.  Until this season, I have had no reason to alter these opinions and frankly, most of the "battles" we've had about Ale took place last season and perhaps during this off season.  Ale has indeed shown some improvement this season and subsequently, my critical posts about Ale have been few and far between this season.  As his play has improved, so has my opinion of his play.  I'm not quite sure what the mystery is behind this.  I think the recent post in this thread by Alumnus captures the essence of what many of us were pleasantly surprised to see last night.  I'm very happy for Ale personally.
2/23/2006 12:59:00 PM - Waterboy - 41 posts (#207)

I agree with GW Law, Kirev does need to start on Saturday.  I'm clearly not his biggest fan. He doesn't play our style of ball, so I don't think he deserves many minutes, a point with which many of you seem to agree.  One eception tot this is that he is our biggest guy and teams are going to to be bigger than us in the tournament and take us out of our game.  This is not really a problem in the A-10, epecially since we have Pops but any more eperience he can get before we face an SEC team with guys that are the size of Pops with Karl sitting on his shoulders, the better off we are.

Boston - I was actuall just about to post a thread on Mike Hall.  I am a huge Mike Hall fan and have been wondering the same things myself.  I saw him on the end of the bench during one timeout with his right leg outstreched and rubbing his knee.  After that I started to watch his play more closely but he was not noticably favoring one leg over the other.  His play has not seemed to suffer, but his speed and hops may have.

2/23/2006 1:02:00 PM - Student Section Alum - 18 posts (#230)

Not on this board, but to friends and other fans, I have been as critical of Ale as anyone.  Yesterday he played OK, not great, but OK.  He had some nice moves in the post, but this is nothing new.  He is a decent player on a team that forces him to be ineffective.  I cheered for him as loudly as anyone last night.  The bottom line is that though he has some decent moves and is a decent backup to pops for 5 minutes a game, he does not have the rebounding and/or defensive skills to effectively contribute on a nightly basis.

Good job last night Ale, but my opinion hasn't changed

2/23/2006 1:18:00 PM - ZIIK - 2,501 posts (#11)
What's really funny, Mailvan, is that I did not refer to you or to your alter ego or to anybody else by name, because, as I stated, I do not have BS's memory to recall who said what over an etended period of time. I referred specifically to an unnamed poster who said that Ale was a detriment to the team and that he did not deserve playing time. To the etent you believe I was refering specifically to you, you are wrong.  But if you are now saying that you believe Ale's play has been detrimental to the team and that he does not deserve to be part of the regular rotation, then you are admitting to only a part of what the unnamed person posted in the past. So it would not bother me a whit it Ale were to yell out "SUCK PART OF IT, MAILVAN," the net time he makes a play. My personal position on sucking is that I don't say it or do it, but you are free to disagree. My personal opinion on saying that a player (any player) on a team is a "detriment to the team," is that such a person is a jerk. Coaches decide the value of players to teams, and when players become detrimental in some way, coaches suspend them or epel them, as appropriate.
2/23/2006 1:23:00 PM - Boston Pops - 162 posts (#118)
Ziik, you need to give it a rest.
2/23/2006 1:31:00 PM - Alumnus - 2,023 posts (#15)
I think it would be a hoot if Ale yelled something like that net time he runs downcourt.  Not at any particular GW rooter, just in general.
2/23/2006 1:40:00 PM - ZIIK - 2,501 posts (#11)
Sorry, Boston Pops. In the past few days I have come to dislike Mailvan, his alter ego, and his snivelling nonsense about getting "the record," straight.
2/23/2006 1:47:00 PM - MIKE K - 974 posts (#30)

I just tried the "search" feature to get a date when I started a thread complaining about Ale's play.  Many replies were critical of me, but hey, that is what this forum is about.  Not to get pissed at each other.  Many said that he is servicable, and should not be a starter.  I disagree with that, but I did not get nasty to my fellow posters. 

Anyway, I am glad that he was beyond servicable last night and I was cheering as much as anyone.  I was at the game with SteveG202 and told him about my earlier Ale post.  We both just laughed and continued to cheeer for Ale.

2/23/2006 1:56:00 PM - Longing for Oscar - 1,010 posts (#29)

Ziik, why don't you try getting your facts right before posting incorrect information and then hurling insults?  That might make you less angry.   Ziik, the truth will set you free.  And, as much as you don't like to hear it, mailvian has done nothing  wrong, unless you consider nicely sharing an opinion to be inappropriate. 

mailvan, I agree with you 100%, as usual.

2/23/2006 2:21:00 PM - Mailvan - 1,041 posts (#27)
Boston Pops, I sure was in an upbeat mood but leave it to Ziik to bring me down.  Ziik, at least I'm making attempts to set things straight.  Unlike yourself who appears determined to argue at every conceivable opportunity.  I am someone who has posted that Ale's play was detrimental to the team and that he didn't deserve playing time in the regular rotation so why wouldn't I think it was me that you were referring to earlier?  I have never denied posting this.  And Levinator, what eactly am I supposed to "own up to" anyway?  Ale's play has improved and I have chosen to recognize this. What eactly am I supposed to be man enough to admit?
2/23/2006 2:22:00 PM - BCD - 455 posts (#48)
The trick, ziik, is to ignore the bait.  It's hard, but simply don't respond.  If everyone can do that, these pissing contest threads will be a lot shorter.
2/23/2006 2:22:00 PM - GW Dad - 209 posts (#99)
In re-reading Ziik's posts in this thread I noticed several points:  First, he recognized Ale for putting in some quality minutes last night when they appear to have been sorely needed.  Second, he recognized that Ale has not always played at that same level and suggest that red shirting would have been a plus.  Third, he takes offense at the "Ale sucks"  crowd, much as I did to the "Omar sucks"  crowd several weeks back.  Ziik has always been a strident defender of our players as individuals and mean spirited personal attacks have raised his ire, and I concur.  Booing the home team irritated KH after a game some time back as well, I recall.  Not every player who wears the buff and blue will be the second coming of Michael Jordan, perhaps some will play more like Michael Jackson.  Nevertheless, each player busts their tail for themselves and for the university and the unwarranted personal attacks are absurd.  I recall earlier in the season Ale giving some quality minutes at Temple when Pops got into foul trouble.  I was at that game and witnessed it.  Last night I don't know about but it seems to be the majority opinion that he was of great value in helping to keep the phenomenal seasonal alive.  Everyone on a team contributes, that is why it is called a team.  Some contribute as stars, others as solid players, others as back ups, others in limited court appearances but they contribute on the bus, in the cafeteria, at practice, etc.  They contribute more than asinine "Ale and Omar Sucks" remarks which fall into the same category as "fact: the team was stumbling around the streets of Foggy Bottom drunk last night"  or "Montrell is going to transfer".  Lay off these kids, they are working hard and living a dream, and enabling all of his to be at least a small part of the dream as well.
2/23/2006 2:26:00 PM - Abe - 238 posts (#91)
Ale's GW career is a huge disappointment. And I don't feel obligated to cut the kid slack when he gets a free ride to the 2nd most epensive school in the country to play basketball and never lives up to epectations. He has the size obviously, but he's lacking in instincts and basketball IQ. Granted he has had a few good nights, but let's remember the avier game this season when his stat line was 3 Minutes, 4 Fouls and nothing else. He's etremely turnover prone, especially in the low post. When he catches a pass he has a tendency to bring it down to his waist where it often gets stolen instead of going to the hoop.

All that being said, he is a Senior and has played ball here for four years so he should start against Charlotte. He shouldn't get too many minutes however.
2/23/2006 2:30:00 PM - ZIIK - 2,501 posts (#11)
Oscar: I started this as a positive thread to give some props to a member of the team who is frequently discounted and disparaged, largely by fans who judge him only on his on-court presence but who are entirely ignorant of his value as a practice player and as a person. Most posters seem to have joined in the spirit of my comments, and added positive remarks to them. Doug took the occasion to call out Mailvan, in a manner that was entirely warranted by the overall negativity of comments previously made by Mailvan and by you. Others have made additional comments about you and Mailvan, which also are entirely warranted.  The two of you have played Frick and Frack on this board for quite some time, making one negative comment after another, masking them transparently with your phony politesse. I agree with Doug 100% as to his comments about Ale and Mailvan, and since you agree 100% with Mailvan, you can stand in line behind him. Oh..... I see you're already there.
2/23/2006 2:31:00 PM - AI Not Allen - 97 posts (#157)
Once again BCD, I agree with you 100%
2/23/2006 2:36:00 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#17)
100% is so 1980s.  Haven't you been watching Maury lately?  Now everyone is 3000% sure that it isn't his baby.  So Lfo and AI, I would suggest you reevaluate your loyalties.
2/23/2006 2:37:00 PM - Z
Kareem Abdul Kireev!!!
2/23/2006 2:45:00 PM - longing for oscar - 1,010 posts (#29)

Please Ziik.  I have made negative comments.  I have made positive comments.  I acknowledged when I have been wrong, as I did regarding Ale after the UMASS game.  In every instance I have tried to support my opinion.   You, on the other hand, make factually incorrect statements and follow them up by throwing stones when you disagree with people.  What I'm trying to say Ziik is that I think you are a trouble maker.  If you want to prove me wrong, I would suggest that you don't read my posts or ignore them altogether.  And if you chose to engage in an immature and nasty manner (as you so frequently do these days), that's your problem.  Alternative, you could just try being nice.

2/23/2006 2:46:00 PM - ZIIK - 2,501 posts (#11)
Abe: nobody's asked you to cut the kid some slack. Feel free to walk up to him net time he disappoints you, and give him a piece of your mind. That shouldn't take long. BCD: of course you're right. but these two have made a habit of riding posters off this board with their weasel-worded comments. I'm tired of it. Besides, I have this obsessive-compulsive gene. Dad: Thanks. You've made my points. Mailvan and Oscar: What Dick Cheney said.
2/23/2006 2:50:00 PM - Alumnus - 2,023 posts (#15)
Most of the negative comments about Ale can probably be justified, and yet I wonder about people feeling the need to crap on someone because a few fans, naturally pumped because their team is 23-1 and on a 15-game winning streak, say a few nice things about a player.  A player on the team we're all purportedly fans of.  I've always supported people's rights to speak their mind.  That doesn't mean I understand this need to dump on the guy on what should be a happy occasion.  This isn't a debate about on national security.  What's the need to dredge up his previous failures today?  You can post whatever the hell you want, but the continuing need to use Ale Kireev as a pinata reflects more on some of our fans' own problems than on any of his supposed shortcomings.  When he leaves here, he'll be a happy, successful guy, and you'll still be the unhappy people you seem to be.
2/23/2006 3:15:00 PM - doug sandels - 746 posts (#34)
Ziik, I appreciate your support in this thread, but you should walk away and let Longing for Mailvan evade and deny the comments and stances they have taken (maybe not verbatim) in the past.  So, I'm out of this thread for good...
2/23/2006 3:15:00 PM - Mailvan - 1,041 posts (#27)
Ziik, let me make sure I have this correct.  Your personal position on sucking is that you don't say it or do it, but when Doug calls me out by saying that he had hoped to hear Ale let out a "suck it mailvan" scream, this was, in your words, "entirely warranted."  You're just one gigantic contradiction.  You can think my demeanor has been phony all you want.  You can refer to me as jerk all you want.  You can think my comments are weasel-worded all you want.  I have been nothing but polite towards you and guess what?  I've had it with you.  I don't wish to drive anyone away from this board but you're getting very close to receiving this distinction in my book.
2/23/2006 3:15:00 PM - BCD - 455 posts (#48)
ziik, i'm tired of it too.  I said my piece to them the other night when they first went after you, and then left the thread alone.  Earlier this season it was intolerable because every time BS posted, it devolved into a bitch-fest.  BS hasn't posted as much lately and it's been a lot better.  And that's not to imply it's all BS's fault because it's not.  But *I* wasn't posting or even reading as much here during that period because I was tired of ALL the sh!t.  But now, even after their favorite target has almost stopped posting, they're back at it...attacking fellow posters.  They don't seem to care what they're doing to the community, so the only answer left is to ignore them.  And just like w/ BS, I agree with them not infrequently.  They, just like BS have made valuable contributions to the board.  Its just that BS has stopped the attacks, and they haven't.  Like I said the other night, I don't want them to STFU completely, just to STFU when they want to attack fellow Colonials.
2/23/2006 3:28:00 PM - ZIIK - 2,501 posts (#11)
Doug and BCD: Thanks for your advice. I'll be more sparing with the electrons. Shirts, anyone?
2/23/2006 3:34:00 PM - Mailvan - 1,041 posts (#27)
BCD, do you really think I enjoy attacking fellow posters?  (Bad question, obviously, you do.)  In reality, I don't.  Just go through this thread and you'll find that the first missile was launched by Doug Sandels at me.  Levinator chimed in but in a good natured way.  And then, Ziik takes over as he's done this whole week.  Then, Doug continues to take cheap shots by accusing me of denying or evading stances.  This is absolutely right out of the Twilight Zone.  When the f--- have I ever denied or evaded a stance?  Tell me Doug.  When?  I understand that the best defense is a good offense but this is well beyond that.  Folks, you had better believe I'll attack back when provoked.
2/23/2006 3:54:00 PM - NJsPride - 354 posts (#64)
Herve, could you please set up GWBitchersandMoaners.com so we don't have to have this wasting space for basketball?
2/23/2006 4:02:00 PM - GWLaw91 - 267 posts (#80)

Well, it's official.  I get my wish -- Ale will start.  This is a TEAM folks.  There is no "I" in TEAM.  Regis, Mike, Omar, Diggs, and, yes, Ale, will each have to elevate their game by 20% -- which is not asking that much -- to combine for what we are missing with Pops. 

Side note -- I think that Diggs should paint his mask to look like HOBBZILLA -- like a Hockey Goalie!  Alternatively, perhaps he could replace it with a "Jason" style mask.  I don't know whether it is legal or not, but probably worth the technical foul to find out!!

2/23/2006 4:40:00 PM - Longing for Oscar - 1,010 posts (#29)

$25 t-shirts!  What do they cost you?  $3 or $4?  Sure, you're a real good guy ziik, ripping-off Colonial fans.   lol....

2/23/2006 7:13:00 PM - Bigfan - 2,512 posts (#10)

Now, I haven't even caught up on the Pops news, but it looks like he is out at least for awhile.

So instead of back and forth about who said what about Ale, we should be thankful that he is there and hope that he can continue some inspired play. And/or Mr. Diggs is ready to step up.

2/23/2006 8:22:00 PM - BLUE SEATS - 372 posts (#61)

The new calmer Blue Seats is staying out of this one.

2/24/2006 12:07:00 PM - ZIIK - 2,501 posts (#11)
Gee, Blue Seats.  I was hoping at least to get you to agree 99% with me.
2/24/2006 1:16:00 PM - Tennessee Colonial - 1,034 posts (#28)
Dam, its 60 degrees outside. Any snow up north?
2/24/2006 1:18:00 PM - BLUE SEATS - 372 posts (#61)
ziik, if I agree with you 99%, there will be 99 more posts in this thread. Per my promise to Herve, I must decline further comment.
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