Board

Mikic graduates in 3 years (via @gw_mbb twitter)
Replies: 8

5/20/2013 9:53:50 AM
cagwu

David Pellom to Memphis
Replies: 43

5/20/2013 9:07:03 AM
donte

RECRUIT: MARTIN GEBEN
Replies: 34

5/20/2013 12:11:15 AM
Florida Colonial

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/19/2013
Replies: 0

5/19/2013 10:51:29 PM
herve

RECRUIT: NICK GRIFFIN
Replies: 101

5/19/2013 10:11:43 PM
CPots

RECRUIT: ANTHONY SWAN
Replies: 51

5/19/2013 6:34:30 PM
BM

RECRUIT: BYRON HAWKINS
Replies: 11

5/19/2013 1:05:54 PM
herve

Oct 4, 2014
Replies: 7

5/19/2013 10:22:56 AM
Tuna Can

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/18/2013
Replies: 0

5/18/2013 10:51:22 PM
herve

Superstar added to Lonergan's facebook!
Replies: 3

5/18/2013 8:51:20 PM
Martiniboy

Why Next Year Is Pretty Darn Critical
Replies: 23

5/18/2013 6:04:37 PM
The MV

OT: Bo Jackson
Replies: 6

5/18/2013 5:41:01 PM
herve

RECRUIT: DEVIN ROBINSON
Replies: 6

5/18/2013 2:34:02 PM
BM

another possible transfer (immediately eligible)
Replies: 37

5/18/2013 12:33:07 PM
Florida Colonial

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/17/2013
Replies: 0

5/17/2013 10:51:22 PM
herve

OOC Schedule Thread
Replies: 14

5/17/2013 12:40:55 PM
BM

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/16/2013
Replies: 0

5/16/2013 10:51:36 PM
herve

Several GW Women Get Another Year to Play
Replies: 5

5/16/2013 5:22:16 PM
ziik

George makes some headlines
Replies: 2

5/16/2013 11:05:09 AM
BM

Big George trying to get into Captain America 2
Replies: 0

5/16/2013 11:03:59 AM
squid

SJT -- Not a Bad Guy at All
Replies: 48

5/16/2013 10:51:33 AM
Tuna Can

Quick Question: Outstanding Offers
Replies: 7

5/16/2013 10:19:58 AM
wax daddy

what we know so far
Replies: 5

5/16/2013 8:40:31 AM
formerly boston pops

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/15/2013
Replies: 0

5/15/2013 10:51:58 PM
herve

could they boot us out of barclays?
Replies: 5

5/15/2013 10:03:01 PM
tk

RECRUIT: ANTON WATERS
Replies: 4

5/15/2013 9:37:20 AM
BM

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/14/2013
Replies: 0

5/14/2013 10:51:35 PM
herve

RECRUIT: TYLER NELSON
Replies: 8

5/14/2013 9:18:04 PM
BM

RECRUIT: DOMINIQUE BULL
Replies: 80

5/14/2013 4:47:57 PM
BM

Who is Lionel Coleman
Replies: 1

5/14/2013 4:47:43 PM
Phil_Raw_

SJT and Left Coast
Replies: 0

5/14/2013 10:36:58 AM
kdb sand diego

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/13/2013
Replies: 0

5/13/2013 10:52:29 PM
herve

RECRUIT: SANDY COHEN
Replies: 34

5/13/2013 9:25:10 PM
Florida Colonial

RECRUIT: ANTHONY SWAN
Replies: 0

5/13/2013 4:51:10 PM
GCLY89

Rutgers Can't Catch a Break ...
Replies: 12

5/13/2013 4:41:57 PM
The Eagle Has Landed

RYAN MCCOY
Replies: 58

5/13/2013 4:16:10 PM
ATL Colonial

RECRUIT: RYAN LUTHER
Replies: 1

5/13/2013 2:17:37 PM
BM

for those of you looking for new digs....
Replies: 2

5/13/2013 12:59:03 PM
herve

RECRUIT: MIKE WILLIAMS
Replies: 7

5/13/2013 9:57:07 AM
BM

RECRUIT: CJ KEYSER
Replies: 1

5/13/2013 9:18:37 AM
BM

New Team
Replies: 0

5/13/2013 8:37:54 AM
Spotter

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/12/2013
Replies: 0

5/12/2013 10:51:35 PM
herve

Happy Mother's Day-Mrs. Tallent,
Replies: 2

5/12/2013 10:19:02 PM
ziik

UVA Transfer-Paul Jesperson
Replies: 16

5/12/2013 9:54:08 PM
bam

"RECRUITS" tab currently broken, but NOTHING has been lost. will fix ASAP. sorry. nt
Replies: 6

5/12/2013 7:34:40 PM
herve

It's Lonergan
Replies: 99

5/11/2013 11:44:39 PM


gwhoops.com Digest - 5/11/2013
Replies: 0

5/11/2013 10:51:36 PM
herve

GW about to Rope in another A10 Sport--Now back to your regularly scheduled angst
Replies: 17

5/11/2013 4:50:39 PM
Tuna Can

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/10/2013
Replies: 0

5/10/2013 10:51:32 PM
herve

Kromah to transfer
Replies: 119

5/10/2013 5:00:46 PM
Abe

RECRUIT: BONZIE COLSON
Replies: 8

5/10/2013 3:57:24 PM
BM

RECRUIT: ISIAH TRIPP
Replies: 5

5/10/2013 2:21:41 PM
BM

RECRUIT: JAMAL ROBINSON
Replies: 5

5/10/2013 8:43:41 AM
BM

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/9/2013
Replies: 0

5/9/2013 10:51:28 PM
herve

Ryan McCoy from Manhattan?
Replies: 0

5/9/2013 4:45:47 PM
Steven

Maurice Creek transferring from Indiana
Replies: 26

5/9/2013 4:15:39 PM
GCLY89

RECRUIT: ALSTON THOMPSON
Replies: 0

5/9/2013 10:16:06 AM
BM

RECRUIT: TRE CAMPBELL
Replies: 18

5/9/2013 9:02:37 AM
BM

Davidson to the A-10
Replies: 20

5/9/2013 6:17:07 AM
gonzo

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/8/2013
Replies: 0

5/8/2013 10:52:06 PM
herve

Lonergan In Lithuania
Replies: 52

5/8/2013 5:16:27 PM
Don't Quote Me

Does the name Marcus Joseph ring a bell?
Replies: 6

5/8/2013 12:29:26 AM
GW0811

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/7/2013
Replies: 0

5/7/2013 10:51:27 PM
herve

Another recruit lost
Replies: 3

5/7/2013 6:38:50 PM
Florida Colonial

Where Winners Migrate?
Replies: 0

5/7/2013 2:42:20 PM
Dootie Bubble

Another recruit lost
Replies: 6

5/7/2013 1:44:12 PM
Florida Colonial

Taking all the fun and mystery out of Herve's other passion...
Replies: 7

5/7/2013 1:27:37 PM
FLA

D-league action
Replies: 4

5/7/2013 1:00:27 PM
The MV

Kevin Larsen's military service
Replies: 9

5/7/2013 8:41:37 AM
GW0811

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/6/2013
Replies: 0

5/6/2013 10:52:14 PM
herve

RECRUIT: MAURICE CREEK
Replies: 13

5/6/2013 5:27:58 PM
BM

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/5/2013
Replies: 0

5/5/2013 10:52:15 PM
herve

I. Am. So. Shocked.
Replies: 1

5/5/2013 7:40:58 PM
herve

Travon Landry
Replies: 1

5/5/2013 6:29:00 PM
Tennessee Colonial

RECRUIT: JJ EPPS
Replies: 4

5/5/2013 7:56:04 AM
BM

Tweet About Larsen
Replies: 1

5/5/2013 7:15:27 AM
CT Colonial

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/4/2013
Replies: 0

5/4/2013 10:51:35 PM
herve

RECRUIT: JUSTIN EDWARDS
Replies: 9

5/4/2013 3:39:49 PM
BM

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/3/2013
Replies: 0

5/3/2013 10:52:01 PM
herve

Does Lonergan...???
Replies: 6

5/3/2013 7:58:13 PM
GDUB4

Not basketball, but let's help Georgetown
Replies: 28

5/3/2013 7:03:53 PM
squid

RECRUIT: JULIAN DEBOSE
Replies: 11

5/3/2013 5:49:47 PM
BM

Real Basketball Shit--BM's guard minute projections on a Creek signing and no others
Replies: 15

5/3/2013 2:11:40 PM
Tuna Can

RECRUIT: PAUL JORGENSEN
Replies: 9

5/3/2013 10:22:20 AM
Florida Colonial

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/2/2013
Replies: 0

5/2/2013 10:51:33 PM
herve

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/1/2013
Replies: 0

5/1/2013 10:51:34 PM
herve

Eli Carter gets his release from Rutgers
Replies: 9

5/1/2013 8:06:29 PM
DEA

RECRUIT: GABE LEVIN
Replies: 74

5/1/2013 6:43:28 PM
BM

Transfer list
Replies: 16

5/1/2013 3:33:59 PM
BM

GW Med School (OT)
Replies: 3

5/1/2013 1:04:46 PM
NJ Colonial

ML should stop off in Russia and pick up a new assistant
Replies: 0

5/1/2013 12:39:40 PM
george the hippo hunter

RECRUIT: ROBERT CARTWRIGHT
Replies: 2

5/1/2013 8:57:38 AM
mike K

Mark Schlabach
Replies: 1

5/1/2013 3:45:17 AM
Dootie Bubble

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/30/2013
Replies: 0

4/30/2013 10:51:25 PM
herve

RECRUIT: CHANCELLOR BARNARD
Replies: 2

4/30/2013 9:15:30 AM
BM

RECRUIT: LENNARD FREEMAN
Replies: 40

4/30/2013 7:36:37 AM
Mike K

Ms. Traynor-In her Own Words
Replies: 17

4/30/2013 4:48:51 AM
ziik

RECRUIT: MIKAL BRIDGES
Replies: 5

4/29/2013 10:55:25 PM
Florida Colonial

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/29/2013
Replies: 0

4/29/2013 10:52:55 PM
herve

RECRUIT: BRADY ELLINGSON
Replies: 2

4/29/2013 8:22:36 PM
Florida Colonial

Roster for next season on 4/26 (this thread is actually about the NY Jets)
Replies: 25

4/29/2013 4:05:24 PM
GDub4

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/28/2013
Replies: 0

4/28/2013 10:53:18 PM
herve

Men's Tennis Tied 3-3 in A-10 Finals
Replies: 2

4/28/2013 1:33:31 PM
the sons of liberty

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/27/2013
Replies: 0

4/27/2013 10:51:29 PM
herve

EYBL
Replies: 0

4/27/2013 11:29:07 AM
GW Fan

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/26/2013
Replies: 0

4/26/2013 10:51:35 PM
herve

International Assistant Coach
Replies: 4

4/26/2013 8:16:22 PM
LA Fan

"George Mason president delivers new vision" (WaPo)
Replies: 1

4/26/2013 5:05:15 PM
herve

RECRUIT: MARQUIS WRIGHT
Replies: 35

4/26/2013 2:20:19 PM
BM

RECRUIT: MIGUEL CARTAGENA
Replies: 63

4/26/2013 11:23:07 AM
JamonRye

RECRUIT: LAVON LONG
Replies: 13

4/26/2013 10:20:35 AM
BM

Hope you are happy with your purchase Herve!
Replies: 1

4/26/2013 7:07:31 AM
GW Alum Abroad

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/25/2013
Replies: 0

4/25/2013 10:51:32 PM
herve

International Assistant Coach
Replies: 0

4/25/2013 3:07:12 PM
LA Fan

Jabari Hinds WVA
Replies: 2

4/25/2013 11:15:59 AM
DEA

Why did we honor David pellom as a graduating senior
Replies: 8

4/25/2013 9:35:01 AM
Neil

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/24/2013
Replies: 0

4/24/2013 10:51:27 PM
herve

RECRUIT: RASHARD KELLY
Replies: 8

4/24/2013 8:37:48 PM
Florida Colonial

Give mike the benefit. He is making close to president knapp. He will not f@@k it up like kh did.
Replies: 5

4/24/2013 8:14:18 PM
Neil

10-21
Replies: 7

4/24/2013 1:13:07 PM
What?

30 second shot clock?
Replies: 9

4/24/2013 9:26:56 AM
GW Fan

RECRUIT: ERIC CARTER
Replies: 0

4/24/2013 8:56:58 AM
BM

another 1 that got away-Mark Williams
Replies: 3

4/24/2013 5:09:44 AM
GDUB4

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/23/2013
Replies: 0

4/23/2013 10:51:24 PM
herve

RECRUIT: SANDY COHEN
Replies: 0

4/23/2013 9:15:06 PM
Florida Colonial

Cap Classic Rosters
Replies: 4

4/23/2013 8:42:09 PM
BM

Dooley to Florida Gulf Coast
Replies: 37

4/23/2013 10:30:55 AM
Poog

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/22/2013
Replies: 0

4/22/2013 10:52:28 PM
herve

The Non Nigel Johnson thread
Replies: 12

4/22/2013 10:03:47 PM
Florida Colonial

Phil Hochberg
Replies: 9

4/22/2013 5:30:23 PM
BM

Gun Control(OT)
Replies: 59

4/22/2013 9:10:47 AM
Steven

GW Baseball vs Fordham
Replies: 3

4/21/2013 11:12:02 PM
the sons of liberty

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/21/2013
Replies: 0

4/21/2013 10:51:23 PM
herve

RECRUIT: EVAN TAYLOR
Replies: 1

4/21/2013 10:53:01 AM
Mike K

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/20/2013
Replies: 0

4/20/2013 10:53:46 PM
herve

Official NLI announcement
Replies: 22

4/20/2013 7:53:38 PM
BM

RECRUIT: ANDRE WALKER
Replies: 4

4/20/2013 8:23:06 AM
BM

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/19/2013
Replies: 0

4/19/2013 10:54:11 PM
herve

RECRUIT: JOSH HEARLIHY
Replies: 21

4/19/2013 6:27:49 PM
BM

RECRUIT: ASHLEY WILLIAMS
Replies: 6

4/19/2013 5:40:55 PM
BM

Davidson on the verge of joining A-10
Replies: 20

4/19/2013 11:46:08 AM
GCLY89

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/18/2013
Replies: 0

4/18/2013 10:55:01 PM
herve

How many scholarships are left to give out?
Replies: 15

4/18/2013 12:57:59 PM
NewGWFan

For You TT "Haters"
Replies: 8

4/18/2013 12:48:47 PM
ziik

RECRUIT: Jerome Seagars
Replies: 39

4/18/2013 12:33:21 PM
BM

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/17/2013
Replies: 0

4/17/2013 11:40:22 PM
herve

Sutton Submits Name for Vacant FL Gulf Coast Head Job
Replies: 29

4/17/2013 8:00:08 PM
herve

Quevyn Winters and 4 others leaving Duquesne
Replies: 4

4/17/2013 3:52:49 PM
Free Quebec

If it Quacks Like a Duck ... (OT)
Replies: 2

4/17/2013 12:43:38 PM
Eugene

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/16/2013
Replies: 0

4/16/2013 10:51:37 PM
herve

RECRUIT: MARK WILLIAMS
Replies: 16

4/16/2013 9:49:32 AM
CPots

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/15/2013
Replies: 0

4/15/2013 10:58:45 PM
herve

RECRUIT: ANTHONY PATE
Replies: 0

4/15/2013 9:48:29 AM
BM

Recruit coming this weekend
Replies: 57

4/15/2013 2:48:11 AM
DEA

GW Washington Post Story
Replies: 19

4/15/2013 2:42:54 AM
LA Fan

More of This!
Replies: 1

4/15/2013 1:01:30 AM
BM

welcome Davidson!
Replies: 0

4/15/2013 12:57:39 AM
NJ Colonial

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/14/2013
Replies: 0

4/14/2013 10:57:07 PM
herve

Rutgers
Replies: 8

4/14/2013 2:18:37 PM
BM

Pellom granted release; Davis to transfer
Replies: 78

4/14/2013 12:11:40 AM
VB

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/13/2013
Replies: 0

4/13/2013 10:53:00 PM
herve

A possible guard target/transfer
Replies: 3

4/13/2013 8:04:03 PM
Florida Colonial

Hopefully We Will Get Some Recruiting News From This.
Replies: 0

4/13/2013 11:32:48 AM
Mike K

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/12/2013
Replies: 0

4/12/2013 10:53:43 PM
herve

Stadium Journey review of the Smith Center
Replies: 10

4/12/2013 1:19:17 PM
Long Suffering Fan

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/11/2013
Replies: 0

4/11/2013 10:53:47 PM
herve

Questions That Must Be Asked ...
Replies: 55

4/11/2013 10:22:20 AM
CBO

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/10/2013
Replies: 0

4/10/2013 10:55:52 PM
herve

Cross Jon Severe off the list
Replies: 2

4/10/2013 12:39:20 PM
GW21

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/9/2013
Replies: 0

4/9/2013 10:51:26 PM
herve

OT--Who Wins? Who Cares?
Replies: 7

4/9/2013 8:27:23 PM
ziik

coaching changes 2013
Replies: 0

4/9/2013 4:04:18 PM
GWSB '11

VCU pre-season #14
Replies: 2

4/9/2013 1:54:59 PM
herve

Play nice
Replies: 0

4/9/2013 11:54:08 AM
Old Prof

Who am I?
Replies: 8

4/9/2013 9:31:33 AM
Long Suffering Fan

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/8/2013
Replies: 0

4/8/2013 10:55:27 PM
herve

Did you all know this?
Replies: 13

4/8/2013 6:37:07 PM
BACCAS92

Hobbs & Mid-Major Coaches
Replies: 7

4/8/2013 10:45:31 AM
Wax Daddy

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/7/2013
Replies: 0

4/7/2013 10:51:46 PM
herve

Maybe we will recruit JUCOs
Replies: 5

4/7/2013 11:52:56 AM
Florida Colonial

Nick Griffin Third Team All-Met
Replies: 13

4/7/2013 10:00:05 AM
Yinka dont Stinka

Honestly! I can't leave the country for one second without you guys messing everything up! nt
Replies: 3

4/7/2013 8:13:40 AM
herve

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/6/2013
Replies: 0

4/6/2013 10:51:09 PM
herve

Maybe we will recruit JUCOs
Replies: 0

4/6/2013 7:32:02 AM
Florida Colonial

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/5/2013
Replies: 0

4/5/2013 10:53:17 PM
herve

Here's a good upper: Garino interview
Replies: 5

4/5/2013 4:14:31 AM
BM

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/4/2013
Replies: 0

4/4/2013 10:51:09 PM
herve

Lonergan got what he wanted
Replies: 69

4/4/2013 10:34:12 PM
Knew this was coming

Lehman with the Save
Replies: 0

4/4/2013 10:07:15 PM
Poog

RECRUIT: THERENCE MAYIMBA
Replies: 5

4/4/2013 9:26:39 PM
CPots

How Can You Blame Johnson????
Replies: 12

4/4/2013 8:34:53 PM
Levinger

Backup Point Guard
Replies: 29

4/4/2013 7:27:29 PM
bobo

Hoping the worst is behind us
Replies: 7

4/4/2013 2:56:07 PM
NewGWFan

Jamail JOnes
Replies: 4

4/4/2013 12:26:29 AM
DEA

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/3/2013
Replies: 0

4/3/2013 10:52:25 PM
herve

RECRUIT: JORDAN ABDURRAOOF
Replies: 9

4/3/2013 8:13:58 PM
Mike K

Random but infuriating
Replies: 9

4/3/2013 5:20:33 PM
Steven

Sounds weird but
Replies: 23

4/3/2013 4:43:11 PM
DEA

American University
Replies: 2

4/3/2013 3:20:41 PM
NewGWFan

Rutgers' fires their basketball coach
Replies: 2

4/3/2013 12:06:57 PM
neil

Some Good News Today [Baseball] PART II
Replies: 2

4/3/2013 9:55:35 AM
CJS Fan

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/2/2013
Replies: 0

4/2/2013 10:51:07 PM
herve

Lonergan friend headed to Siena
Replies: 5

4/2/2013 7:58:15 PM
Poog

some good news today
Replies: 6

4/2/2013 2:24:57 PM
the sons of liberty

Status heading into Spring Signing
Replies: 13

4/2/2013 11:10:08 AM
GDUB4

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/1/2013
Replies: 0

4/1/2013 10:51:46 PM
herve

scam or legit? (OT)
Replies: 2

4/1/2013 6:57:25 PM
GW Alum Abroad

Urban problems
Replies: 9

4/1/2013 6:07:11 PM
Dootie Bubble

gwhoops.com Digest - 3/31/2013
Replies: 0

3/31/2013 10:51:34 PM
herve

A hinderance to recruiting
Replies: 9

3/31/2013 9:33:44 PM
Steven

VCU
Replies: 1

3/31/2013 9:01:02 PM
SMF

gwhoops.com Digest - 3/30/2013
Replies: 0

3/30/2013 10:51:37 PM
herve

GW Shout-out on Nats Talk
Replies: 0

3/30/2013 10:37:40 AM
Poog

Vote your favorite GW recruiting fiasco
Replies: 15

3/30/2013 9:42:10 AM
Mentzinger

Johnson decommits!
Replies: 0

3/30/2013 8:26:26 AM
maypoman

Nigel Johnson
Replies: 0

3/30/2013 2:52:53 AM
Dude

gwhoops.com Digest - 3/29/2013
Replies: 0

3/29/2013 10:53:14 PM
herve

Miami, Marquette and Syracuse in Smitty
Replies: 7

3/29/2013 11:58:16 AM
In da Know

gwhoops.com Digest - 3/28/2013
Replies: 0

3/28/2013 10:51:39 PM
herve

Vote for GW SAAC
Replies: 2

3/28/2013 10:47:20 PM
Nemanjamental

Season Recap: Armwood & Bynes
Replies: 2

3/28/2013 2:25:58 PM
The MV

Lonergan, GW continue to carve identity
Replies: 9

3/28/2013 12:25:59 PM
Sauteur

gwhoops.com Digest - 3/27/2013
Replies: 0

3/27/2013 10:52:12 PM
herve

gwhoops.com Digest - 3/26/2013
Replies: 0

3/26/2013 10:51:07 PM
herve

Pellom granted release; Davis to transfer
Replies: 0

3/26/2013 3:09:38 PM
bam

gwhoops.com Digest - 3/25/2013
Replies: 0

3/25/2013 10:51:57 PM
herve

Lonergan Radio Interview
Replies: 1

3/25/2013 5:52:25 PM
The Rabbi

Tomorrow's Front Page Post: NOT About the Game, But Omar's Certification
3/6/2006 11:22:00 AM
Poster: Wow_GDub

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/04/AR2006030401384.html


3/4/2006 9:09:00 PM
Poster: MCSCOTTISHPRIDE

I sent him a pretty nasty e-mail

EVERYONE needs to do the same.  BLAST this guys mail bo and let him know that he is a peice of sh*t.


3/4/2006 9:16:00 PM
Poster: Omo Kwame Vaughn ... and Nimbo

LINK


3/4/2006 9:21:00 PM
Poster: Wow_GDub

Well, I agree, but be reasonable and articulate. The editors need some smack, too. One of the greatest games in DC basketball history, with all the story book stuff, and they relegate it to the front page of the Sports section, meanwhile, putting this epose on A1. If this was Maryland: a.) The game story and picture would be on A1 b.) The Post wouldn't be doing an epose.


3/4/2006 9:26:00 PM
Poster: MCSCOTTISHPRIDE

Wow_Gdub - I am sorry to say I was neither reasonable nor articulate.  Instead I was rude, mean and used the F word a lot.  Probably not the best thing to do, but the article is absurd. 


3/4/2006 9:38:00 PM
Poster: Omo Kwame Vaughn ... and Nimbo

I think the Post was feeling jealous about the NYTimes article, and had to dig and sling some dirt of their own.



3/4/2006 9:39:00 PM
Poster: Free Quebec

Out of all the kids in college hoops who have come through that school and others like it, that article gave absolutely no indication of why the Washington Post chose to single out Omar Williams for ridicule out of all of them.  Unless I missed it, it gave no mention of his current academic progress, which is etraordinarily important to providing contet.

It also claims the Omar story "raises questions" about GW's method of getting good.  Oh really?  Raises questions in who's mind?  It doesn't say. 

To pardon the pun (and with apologies to a  more reputable paper), that was a true Hatchet job on a good kid who by all indications overcame a tough start in life.  It's the kind of purposeless public stigmatizing that can set back all the progress in life a kid has made.  I hope Omar ignore it.



3/4/2006 9:52:00 PM
Poster: GW

MY e-mail to Schlabach:

Your article regarding the GW men's basketball team is baseless and lacks clarity. The research contributed by Julie Tate does not even contribute to the story. If Omar William's grades were certified by the Clearinghouse, then what is the purpose of writing your article? Shame on the Clearinghouse for not checking out the transcripts, instead your article places blame on GW - it isn't GW's fault that the Clearinghouse approved Williams' records. Also, the timing of this article seems to invoke the fact that you are trying to trash talk GW on the front page on the heels of a perfect conference season. Attacking Williams and Rice does no credit to The Post and makes your article seem biased and politically motivated. Your integrity as a sports journalist has been degraded due to your un-fair and biased reporting of this article.



3/4/2006 9:55:00 PM
Poster: BIGFAN

If this were Maryland, Eric the P. would be doing a story on how Gary Williams saved his player from bad surroundings.

The timing is unfortunate and questionable and perhaps, largely driven frankly, by competition with The Times. If this is a problem in college sports, then The Post should go for it. But why  were Omar and Maureece basically the only two players named in this burgeoning scandal?

Now, I am a bit ecited after today and now upset about this quasi-revelation. So I read this quickly.  Again, if the Post feels they can do investigative reporting on sports and they can and have done so, that's fine. I'd like to see some on Maryland, for eample, too. But we're fair game, I guess.

I missed the smoking gun again, like the last piece he wrote. Someone called the NCAA Clearinghouse but didn't get an answer, so didn't pursue it and it comes out now. OMAR is a SENIOR. One big thing today in this field is questioning the motivation of sources. Why is this coming out now?

    Secondly and again, I am a bit upset about this raining, or actually pissing on our parade. But after we laid it all out in an e-mail to everyone, including season ticketholders, I must have missed the part about where this huge piece notes that Omar is on track to graduate. And Maureece is also on track in his major.

  Now, if that is not there, it is inecusable. We issued a press release about it and sent it to season ticketholders and presumably, the press (Generally the point of a press release). How are these guys doing in college after such allegedly horrible academic preparation?

 That is a natural question that anyone, reader or editor, would and should ask. Now I apologize, if I have missed it. But is sure wasn't prominent in the story, if there (and stories can change between editions too, so they could theoretically notice something and change it).

    One greater point I would make is that if we are using Omar as an eample of a local player, is there no one on Maryland, Georgetown, George Mason, Howard, UVA, Va. Tech, West Va., Bowie State, etc. with a comparable in any way  prep school situation?

  Again, one can't blame the messenger if this story is correct, though a cursory reading at least, shows they haven't nailed it. Or at least Omar and Maureece. The NCAA clearinghouse approved Omar and MAureece. It looks like there is nothing wrong with that, based again on a quick reading of the story late at night.

   I am more than willing to stand up for the Post and certainly their right to do "investigative" pieces. In fact, that is a cornerstone of society.

But they should also be carefully balanced to include perspective, balance and fairness. One at least wonders whether this was really held to the same standard as a piece that involves questions about something in the news, rather than sports. Given the way this is written about, in contrasting  the reporting of the Post and The Times and discussing who is first, this may have been rushed into print after  the Times had something, just for them to show their thing is bigger. The problem is, this greatly affects two young men and a Washington institution that is reaching new heights of success.

   We need to know about questionable behavior in every aspect  of public life. But this also requires fairness and perspective.



3/4/2006 9:57:00 PM
Poster: MCSCOTTISHPRIDE

I got a response - "Thanks for the comments."

My friend e-mailed him as well with a "real" e-mail, using points and facts (mine was more hate and rage) and he got a long response eplaining saying that he worked on the article for a month and that Omar was the focus because of his connnection to schofield.


3/4/2006 10:03:00 PM
Poster: GW

apparently this ass-hat also is a Georgia and Virginia Tech fan... check out his name on Amazon...he's written books including "What It Means to Be a Hokie" and "destiney's Dogs: Georgia's Championshio Season"



3/4/2006 10:09:00 PM
Poster: MCSCOTTISHPRIDE

As a said - I think he should at least get a good 500 e-mails on sunday and monday, just to let him know how we feel.  


3/4/2006 10:21:00 PM
Poster: GW

I think we should send out a message to all the listservs.....


3/4/2006 10:21:00 PM
Poster: BIGFAN

It would be best, when deservedly raised tempers cool down, to contact the ombudsman (who actually is a woman, I believe), with reasoned and detailed e-mails. Very important to make a case.

 If, and I don't want to look at this again right now, it indeed didn't answer the question of Omar's grades at GW--and the GW response, that would be a frue failure to both the reader and professional standards.



3/4/2006 10:44:00 PM
Poster: eyewitness

Nobody's a bigger GW fan than I am, but what eactly is the issue with this story, aside from the unfortunate timing? (Which is called having a news peg. In this case, it's the culmination of the college basketball season. And yes, the Post is hellaciously competitive with the New York Times, but in this case, the Post was chasing the topic before the Times was, I believe.)

Otherwise, so what? Nobody's suggesting that Omar should be declared ineligible. As the University has proclaimed, probably skirting some privacy laws, he's a student in good standing (which the story unfortunately doesn't point out), and so is Rice, apparently. What happened at Celestial/Lutheran/etc. looks mostly at this point like the NCAA's problem, and Omar's case in merely illustrative. That said, I think it does raise legitimate questions about our recruiting and academic standards, at least as of four years ago (or maybe two, in Maureece's case). The facts as described here are not pretty, and frankly, to quote SJT, I'm embarrassed that we may have recruited with so loose an idea of what constitutes an accredited high school. That's a legitimate issue going forward.

I suspect mine will not be a popular position, but I'd suggest everybody calm down, stop trying to shoot the messenger, and think a bit about the implications of the recruiting questions this story raises, rather than having kneejerk reactions because it appears to be negative and ill-timed. This is the greatest season in GW history, today's game was the best I've seen in 30-plus years of attending GW games, and we're going to go deep into the tournament. This article is, at worst, noise. Rela and enjoy this great team.

Incidentally, did anybody notice that the quote praising Omar in the pregame tribute video came from no less than Schofield, his "high school" "teacher/coach" (I think all of that goes in quote marks!) Pretty poor judgment on somebody's part.


3/4/2006 11:45:00 PM
Poster: LA FAN

Bigfan, fortunately the announcers on ESPN talked about Omar's grades today.  It seemed kind of unprovoked, so I wonder if Kvancz slipped it to them.  They said Omar is graduating in May on time, and he is on the Dean's list.  The Washington Post truly sucks.


3/5/2006 2:45:00 AM
Poster: Dolphin Michael

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3/5/2006 2:45:00 AM
Poster: Dolphin Michael

I am



3/5/2006 2:45:00 AM
Poster: Dolphin Michael

I am truly astonished at



3/5/2006 2:45:00 AM
Poster: Dolphin Michael

I am truly astonished at the



3/5/2006 2:45:00 AM
Poster: Dolphin Michael

I am truly



3/5/2006 2:45:00 AM
Poster: Dolphin Michael

I am truly astonished



3/5/2006 2:45:00 AM
Poster: Dolphin Michael

I am truly astonished at the terrible reporting and clearly



3/5/2006 2:45:00 AM
Poster: Dolphin Michael

I am truly astonished at the terrible



3/5/2006 2:45:00 AM
Poster: Dolphin Michael

I am truly astonished at the terrible reporting



3/5/2006 2:45:00 AM
Poster: Dolphin Michael

I am truly astonished at the terrible reporting and



3/5/2006 2:45:00 AM
Poster: Dolphin Michael

I am truly astonished at the terrible reporting and clearly meanspirited use of the Post's ability to reach so



3/5/2006 2:45:00 AM
Poster: Dolphin Michael

I am truly astonished at the terrible reporting and clearly meanspirited use of the Post's



3/5/2006 2:45:00 AM
Poster: Dolphin Michael

I am truly astonished at the terrible reporting and clearly meanspirited



3/5/2006 2:45:00 AM
Poster: Dolphin Michael

I am truly astonished at the terrible reporting and clearly meanspirited use of the Post's ability to



3/5/2006 2:45:00 AM
Poster: Dolphin Michael

I am truly astonished at the terrible reporting and clearly meanspirited use of



3/5/2006 2:45:00 AM
Poster: Dolphin Michael

I am truly astonished at the terrible reporting and clearly meanspirited use of the



3/5/2006 2:45:00 AM
Poster: Dolphin Michael

I am truly astonished at the terrible reporting and clearly meanspirited use of the Post's ability to reach



3/5/2006 2:45:00 AM
Poster: Dolphin Michael

I am truly astonished at the terrible reporting and clearly meanspirited use of the Post's ability



3/5/2006 2:45:00 AM
Poster: Dolphin Michael

I am truly astonished at the terrible reporting and clearly meanspirited use of the Post's ability to reach so many



3/5/2006 2:45:00 AM
Poster: Dolphin Michael

I am truly astonished at the terrible reporting and clearly meanspirited use



3/5/2006 2:46:00 AM
Poster: Dolphin Michael

I am truly astonished at the terrible reporting and clearly meanspirited use of the Post's ability to reach so many millions of readers. The incredible attack on both Williams and Rice was totally uncalled



3/5/2006 2:46:00 AM
Poster: Dolphin Michael

I am truly astonished at the terrible reporting and clearly meanspirited use of the Post's ability to reach so many millions of readers. The incredible attack on both Williams and Rice was totally uncalled for.



3/5/2006 2:46:00 AM
Poster: Dolphin Michael

I am truly astonished at the terrible reporting and clearly meanspirited use of the Post's ability to reach so many millions of readers. The incredible attack on both Williams and Rice was totally uncalled for. With thousands of words, couldn't they mention that the guys are in good standing in school and, as in Williams case, a huge part of a university and on schedule to



3/5/2006 2:46:00 AM
Poster: Dolphin Michael

I am truly astonished at the terrible reporting and clearly meanspirited use of the Post's ability to reach so many millions of readers. The incredible attack on both Williams and Rice was totally uncalled for. With thousands of words, couldn't they mention that the guys are in good standing in school and, as in Williams case, a huge part of a university and on schedule



3/5/2006 2:50:00 AM
Poster: Dolphin Michael

I am truly astonished at the terrible reporting and clearly meanspirited use of the Post's ability to reach so many millions of readers. The incredible attack on both Williams and Rice was totally uncalled for. With thousands of words, couldn't they mention that the guys are in good standing in school and, as in Williams case, a huge part of a university and on schedule to graduate this year.

Taking this in contrast with the McCray news earlier this year, THAT IS THE STORY, you IDIOTS!!!!!

What is it about GW that can SUCCEED while MD failed. Is it something special with Mr. Williams or something special about GW? I Don't KNOW, but stop with this crap



3/5/2006 2:54:00 AM
Poster: Dolphin Michael

Sorry for the mess, would clean up if there were a Delete in this case


3/5/2006 5:08:00 AM
Poster: Mentzinger

Anyone who doubted the eistence of the great Anti-Colonial in the sky ... the David West tip-in, the Ngongba foul of Greer ... need only read this Post garbage. The better we get, the STUPIDER they get.


3/5/2006 5:29:00 AM
Poster: Dootie Bubble

I sent an email asking if it's good reporting to take a story the NY Times scooped you on and to just personalize it to a single player without bringing in any new information about that player.  The piece is not only mean-spirited but it's sloppy.


3/5/2006 5:58:00 AM
Poster: Poog

My first thought was about that Sally Fields movie with Paul Newman (Absence of Malice?) where she had no concerns about what got printed in the paper and how it affected a young woman.  Upon reflection, however, it really does put a cloud over the university and a damper on what has been an incredible season. If this is another Janet Cooke eample of the demise of the Washington Post, then the right wingers among us GW fans can at least take some satisfaction out of that. But the larger story for all of us is the brush the entire university, let alone the players and coaches, gets painted with...the brush that says UNLV, Cincinnati and every southern football school our Eastern minds can think of. I've always taken great satisfaction in saying that Georgetown's national championship was won in the one year where they allowed a "rogue" player to matriculate and play on the Hilltop.  Having been around these players and the coaching staff, and the school administration, I can' t think of a better group of people that I would want to be around or representing my university. But we are being short-sighted to think that the wagons aren't being circled in Foggy Bottom and everyone is having to revisit and redefend everything that has gone on at GW athletics since the broom and phone cards devastated this place. Privacy rights aside, does anyone believe that the academic departments aren't reevaluating, or being asked to evaluate, the academic standing of GW's athletes? Is there any doubt that the academic advisors are being questioned as to their roles?  However inaccurate and unfair this article may be, do we really think that the university isn't looking inward? I just hope this turns out to be the nothing that I believe and want this to be.


3/5/2006 6:00:00 AM
Poster: Shooter

The


3/5/2006 6:00:00 AM
Poster: Shooter

The demise of the


3/5/2006 6:00:00 AM
Poster: Shooter

The demise of the Post


3/5/2006 6:00:00 AM
Poster: Shooter

The demise of the Post and


3/5/2006 6:00:00 AM
Poster: Shooter

The demise


3/5/2006 6:00:00 AM
Poster: Shooter

The demise of


3/5/2006 6:01:00 AM
Poster: Boston Pops

Dolphin Michael, youve been posting long enough to know not to create multiple posts.

The thing about this article is that its the wrong story.  Who cares how long it took omar to get thru HS.  Its not like he didn't go to HS and forged his admission documents.  The fact that he struggled as an adolescent should just add to the story.  The real story here is that he has successfully completed 4 years of college and is graduating on time with honors.  That to me should just be icing on top of this incredible year.  This really should be a publicity bonanza not an epose.  It is a fairybook tale of the highest order.



3/5/2006 6:17:00 AM
Poster: Dootie Bubble

BP, it's a small point but the "graduating with honors" story seems to have taken a life of its own.  When the story broke someone at the University said Omar had made the Dean's list (once, twice, thrice?).  Then yesterday at the start of the game one of the announcers said something similar.  To paraphrase, "Omar is going to graduate in May and even made the Dean's list."  I've seen it a few times here that Omar is graduating with honors but making the Dean's list once doesn't translate into graduating with honors.  Maybe he is, but in that case I'd think we'd hear his GPA in some Academic All-American capacity.  On this final note, in college football the announcers often say "Player A is studying Criminology and carrying a 3.3 GPA."  Then the color commentator will say something like "Good thing he didn't take my eample because I was more interested in beer than books..chortle, chortle."  How do these grades become public?



3/5/2006 6:40:00 AM
Poster: The Wire

I'm not surethe venom here is really warranted. I love the O as much as the net Colonial, but this is definitely a newsworthy topic and one with local significance. When the federal budget comes out, every state newspaper writes about the impact it will have in the state. This is no different: Post is taking an issue that became national, and applying it locally. As far as a test for newsworthiness, it doesn't get much easier.

I think it's great that Coach Hobbs got Omar in here, got Maureece in, and has clearly guided them as they've become diligent student athletes. I hope he comes out and very publicly makes his views on recruitment, academics, etc. known, in fact I'll be disappointed if he doesn't. But to say this story doesn't need to be told is crazy.

That all said: It's bullsh*t that this story dropped today. They should have run it yesterday.


3/5/2006 6:58:00 AM
Poster: GWLAW91

I have to admit, when I saw the headline:  "A Player Rises Through the Cracks -- Academic History Of GW's Williams Reveals Flaws In NCAA Process," I thought to myself:  Good, they are going to give Omar props for rising above the prep school madness.  But, obviously, that was not the thesis of the epose.  (And, in the online edition -- the Post gets a little more "edgy" -- adding additional subtitles such as "The Player Chase Manufacturing a Transcript" and "Eploiting an NCAA Loophole."  The latter, which appears under Omars picture on the home page of the Post online is accompanied by the following tet:

Omar Williams failed to graduate high school but because the NCAA Clearinghouse certified his prep school transcript without any validation, he gained admission to George Washington despite receiving no grades. (Toni L. Sandys - The Washington Post)
Now, that is certainly irresponsible and inflamatory.
Still, I think that the NCAA has more to lose here than GW, Omar or Reese does.  If the article is correct, the NCAA (as it must) stands behind the Clearinghouse certifications, such that the eligibility of Omar or Reese wont be in jeopardy.  But I think we can epect this to be an interesting story that CBS and ESPN will jump on all through the tourament.  Hopefully, they will find some more players from questionable prep schools to share the spotlight.
The sad epilogue, I am afraid, is that good, reasonable smart kids, and superior athletes will, in fact, FALL through the cracks because big-time programs will overreact and shy away from prep school recruiting altogether.  Fi the problem, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Omar Williams failed to graduate high school but because the NCAA Clearinghouse certified his prep school transcript without any validation, he gained admission to George Washington despite receiving no grades. (Toni L. Sandys - The Washington Post)
Now, that is certainly irresponsible and inflamatory.
Still, I think that the NCAA has more to lose here than GW, Omar or Reese does.  If the article is correct, the NCAA (as it must) stands behind the Clearinghouse certifications, such that the eligibility of Omar or Reese wont be in jeopardy.  But I think we can epect this to be an interesting story that CBS and ESPN will jump on all through the tourament.  Hopefully, they will find some more players from questionable prep schools to share the spotlight.
The sad epilogue, I am afraid, is that good, reasonable smart kids, and superior athletes will, in fact, FALL through the cracks because big-time programs will overreact and shy away from prep school recruiting altogether.  Fi the problem, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.


3/5/2006 7:07:00 AM
Poster: Dootie Bubble

Here's the response I got from Mr. Schlabach when I accussed him of writing an unoriginal piece that wrongly singled out a player instead of the system.

Go back and double-check your facts. I wrote the Philly Lutheran story three weeks ago, and then epanded the story this week. The New York Times story came out two weeks after my original story. The fact of the matter is he should have never been admitted to GW and the Colonials got a competitive advantage because of it. I do commend him for taking advantage of the system and being on track to graduate.
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Mark Schlabach
Staff Writer -- Sports
The Washington Post


3/5/2006 7:14:00 AM
Poster: Rangwx

108: That's because the writers don't write the headlines.


3/5/2006 7:33:00 AM
Poster: DGdub

For everyone who is saying Schlabach is merely following the Times, he did do a Philly Lutheran story three weeks ago, apparently a lot of people missed it.

That being said, if he was truly on it, I wonder why the Post didn't do the rest of it until now. And I question the timing (if they just got the story finished yesterday, it's not really something they can wait on) and I am not sure about the front-page play of the story. I think the fact that it is four years later, that the Post is not first with this info, and Omar is now at least a decent students means this story does not belong on A1. I really fail to see how it rises to that level, seeing as little that GW ever does gets to that level.

Does this story need to be written? Absolutely. To say it is an absolute non-issue that doesn't belong in the paper is a knee-jerk reaction that come from all of us as GW fans. We don't want to see our own drug through the mud. It's unfortuante that they had to run this story on the day of perhaps the greatest game in GW history. (Sorry, DH, this one has to surpass the avier game...I was at both, but this one takes the cake). It also emphasizes how we are absolutely ignored until



3/5/2006 7:37:00 AM
Poster: Dootie Bubble

A point I brought up in my email to Schlabach is that if he really wants to talk about sketchy entrance policies why make the story about Omar just as he's about to graduate.  Why, I added, not interview the members of the early 1980s Hoya teams and find out how many of those fine chaps can read your newspaper.



3/5/2006 7:46:00 AM
Poster: Reality check...

We DID recruit and sign a kid who didn't graduate from high school.  His school burned down and he finished an entire year's worth of credits in less than a semester.  Does anyone on this board think that, knowing now what we did not know then, recruiting Omar was a good idea?  There is a difference between supporting Omar and respecting him for graduating and blaming the world for our own mistakes.  WE SCREWED UP.  Or are you all suggesting that we should be in the business of recruiting kids who never actually graduated from high school?  Note in the article - some schools do their own analysis of an athlete's credentials.  It apears GW only went by the Clearinghouse approval.  So we stuck our heads in the sand.  If the NYT and Post are correct, Omar's academic problems were well known - that is why a non-eistent program could get him in th first place.

Again, Omar has proved he belonged at GW, but it doesn't change the fact that a rational analysis says he should not have been here.  Schalbach didn't recruit him.  Schalbah didn't cause him to fail out of high school(s).  And Schalbach didn't use a bunch of kids and tell them they didn't have to go to class. We are getting embarrassed, but it seems to me like it may well be deserved.


3/5/2006 7:46:00 AM
Poster: gonzo

"Does this story need to be written? Absolutely. To say it is an absolute non-issue that doesn't belong in the paper is a knee-jerk reaction that come from all of us as GW fans. We don't want to see our own drug through the mud. It's unfortuante that they had to run this story on the day of perhaps the greatest game in GW history."

I agree.  Success breeds scrutiny, and should. 


3/5/2006 7:53:00 AM
Poster: MCSCOTTISHPRIDE

Reality Check - please just use the name HoyaFan, UMfan, HAwksFan, ect. - don't hide and pretend you are a GW fan, because I have NEVER seen your name (Reality Check) before this issue.


3/5/2006 7:54:00 AM
Poster: FREE QUEBEC

 There is a story to be written, but this wasn't it.

There are two possible angles for the story -- one is another eamination of these high schools, with discussions of the many players on many teams who have come through them and how the NCAA is responding now that they are informed of what's going on at these high schools. 

The other story, if you have to write it about a specific player, is that is about a kid who struggled as a youth and has grown into a man because a college took a chance on him and gave him the kind of support to succeed that he likely never had before. 

But to write a story trashing his reputation from stuff that went on years ago without even so much of a mention of how the guy is doing now -- that's not a story.  That's a hatchet job.  And shame on the Washington Post for writing the story that way.



3/5/2006 7:56:00 AM
Poster: Reality check...

Been posting all year under a different name.  But due to the absurdity occurring on this post, I figured it was best to hide the identity.  GW grad (and yet again this May).  Season ticket holder for a decade and then some. I give money to GW and will ontinue to do so. And I note that your post doesn't deal with the content of my post.  Go ahead, defend that knowing now what we didn't know then that Omar should have been admitted.


3/5/2006 7:58:00 AM
Poster: Dootie Bubble

Reality, how long have you been following college basketball?  I challenge you to name a dozen NCAA teams whose entire team has the academic credentials to get into their University's if they didn't have basketball skills.  Prep. schools are shady.  The NCAA is shady.  GW is shady but so too are all the other clubs joining G-Dub in March Madness.  It's a systemic problem so why not deal with it on a systemic level instead of singling out Omar and GW?  In basketball and football the NCAA and its member institutions have real credibility problems when it comes to the label "scholar-athlete" and GW is far from the pariah the Post and Times articles make it out to be.  That's the problem with Schlabach.  If you want to do some good reporting find out why the NCAA clearinghouse doesn't do its job.  Is it negligence or is it intentional?  What do the degrees of NCAA basketball and football players yeild?  Are those who don't go pro still succeeding in life?  These are the important unanswered questions.  Schlabach goes cheap and easy by dragging a player and a team through the mud just so he can piggy back off our win with a selacious front page story.  After reading the article from today's paper and the previous article he cited, I'm not sure Schlabach has the ability to write the story I am asking for so I blame the Post for hiring and then retaining incompetence.


3/5/2006 7:58:00 AM
Poster: maypoman

The Post's timing and placement of the Omar article are inecusable!  Also the implications are that that's why we are where we are, that Gdub is just a basketball factory, that undoubtedly our players don't go to class, and that we're the only area school that is having this problem. And will the Post pay any price for this? No-- in fact it may sell more papers. I'm not saying the topic is not a legitimate one. It is. But Post, have you no, decency?!



3/5/2006 8:04:00 AM
Poster: gonzo

Let's not be blind here.  Bad news is never good.  Sure, there is a lot of "perspective" that may be missing, but his story is about Omar, GW, and a specific person involved in the prep schools--Not G-town, or anyone else.  The only person I feel sorry for is Omar.  He's not being protected from the University enough.  GW's PR strategy is woeful.  Why not let Omar speak?  Maybe (likely) he has a great story that everyone should hear!  Spin is so 1990s.  People--I--want to hear honest anwers.  Unless we are being accused of changing grades or violating other rules, then there should be NO reason why we can be more open about the whole process.


3/5/2006 8:09:00 AM
Poster: gonzo

FQ--you are so right!  They can only do that when we let our players tell their story and our administration hides.  What else can a reporter do when no one speaks?  I first thought being quiet was good, but now I think more dialogue is better.  If we have nothing to hide, why not honestly put our story forward?  Whoever is giving our administration media advise needs to be re-evaluated or fired.


3/5/2006 8:10:00 AM
Poster: maypoman

This is directed to reality check. No real fan of Gdub would say that, if we knew at the time Omar's grades were suspect, we still should have taken him. If the school did that, it was wrong to do so. But the point isn't that the Post didn't have a legit story--it was when and where they put it. As an aside I think back to the Patrick Ewing days at Gtwon and the fact that he apparently had reading "difficulties" when he came there. I don't remember too many front page Post articles about him at the time. I also don't remember a front page epose on Chris McCray's  flunking off the Maryland team. Post-- if you're going to play, play fair!


3/5/2006 8:10:00 AM
Poster: maypoman

This is directed to reality check. No real fan of Gdub would say that, if we knew at the time Omar's grades were suspect, we still should have taken him. If the school did that, it was wrong to do so. But the point isn't that the Post didn't have a legit story--it was when and where they put it. As an aside I think back to the Patrick Ewing days at Gtwon and the fact that he apparently had reading "difficulties" when he came there. I don't remember too many front page Post articles about him at the time. I also don't remember a front page epose on Chris McCray's  flunking off the Maryland team. Post-- if you're going to play, play fair!


3/5/2006 8:10:00 AM
Poster: maypoman

This is directed to reality check. No real fan of Gdub would say that, if we knew at the time Omar's grades were suspect, we still should have taken him. If the school did that, it was wrong to do so. But the point isn't that the Post didn't have a legit story--it was when and where they put it. As an aside I think back to the Patrick Ewing days at Gtwon and the fact that he apparently had reading "difficulties" when he came there. I don't remember too many front page Post articles about him at the time. I also don't remember a front page epose on Chris McCray's  flunking off the Maryland team. Post-- if you're going to play, play fair!


3/5/2006 8:20:00 AM
Poster: Reality check...

"No real fan of GW..."  Your post, and many on this board today, are looking an awful lot like those on other boards that we all make fun of.  If you think that there is no legitimate issue raised here, then you have clearly drunk the kool-aid and I can't help you.  Are there other dirty programs and stories of kids that should never have been in school?  sure.  But I don't have a degree from those schools.  And I don't have an invested interest in seeing those schools prosper; academically and athletically.  Your defense is - "they did it too".  And I don't think that Hobbs wants a program that has a tagline of  "I'm no worse than Cincy or Calipari or Bruiser Flint"

They did it too is a childish response.


3/5/2006 8:27:00 AM
Poster: Abe

It's a terrible shame that the Post decided to run with this story instead of the Charlotte game. The editorial decision here is the one most to blame I would say. Not to mention it must suck for Omar to have a story like this come out about him the day after Senior Day. Granted things might have been shady in the recruiting process, but it was a pretty negative spin to put on.


3/5/2006 8:37:00 AM
Poster: GardenStateColonial

Maypoman ia absolutely right - the timing and placement (Sunday page 1 above the fold!) of this article is totally unfair to GW - the Post epolited yesterday's milestone win and the attention GW is getting for this story.  GU and UMD would never get hacked like this by the Post!


3/5/2006 8:37:00 AM
Poster: gw04

The editorial decision to place the story above the fold on A1 is certainly as serious as the reporter's decision to single out one player.  The page to write the Post's ombudsman to make both of these points is http://projects.washingtonpost.com/staff/email/Deborah Howell/.


3/5/2006 8:43:00 AM
Poster: GW73

Sorry, I but I agree with Reality Check. This is a worthy story. (Yes, yesterday's game and this season is as magical as it gets. I'm a GW grad and a season ticket holder during many of our most frustrating season. I couldn't be more ecited about this seson. ) However, the fact is we have at least one player on our team who didn't graduate from high school and shouldn't have been admitted to GW. And another fact is, that there is no way five years ago that GW could  be on the way to being a Top 10 team without signing players that no other major university would recruit. So let's be serious here. Do we really care that much whether basketball players attend class, graduate from high school, attend classes? The NCAA sure doesn't care. We all know that much of college basketball and college football is a big fraud... Student-athletes? Let's get serious. The universities and TV networks make tons of money off these kids. Why football and basketball coaches paid more that university presidents. Why do coaches get fired quickly if they don't win. This is a major business. We can't have it both ways -- high caliber students and a major Division I basketball prgram.

So let's enjoy the games and not be shocked that a newspaper eposed what life is really like in college basketball and college football. 

In addition to think that thePost wouldn't print this story if it were Georgetown, Maryland or anyone else is silly.



3/5/2006 8:47:00 AM
Poster: Dootie Bubble

Reality, straw men are usually easier to attack than arguments.  If you want to attack a problem that is systemic, attacking one school and one player is nothing short of tabloid.  If you don't attack the incentive structures that encourage all universities (ask the Ivy about Penn) to recruit athletes with less than par academic credentials you're not trying to write an article that will illuminate you're basically writing porn (i.e. something to gawk at but not really do something about).


3/5/2006 8:48:00 AM
Poster: alan smithee

Previous Schlabach article was more balanced.   The focus today  on Omar and GW turns a legitimate issue into ad hominem attacks rather than serious eamination of a systemic problem.  The fact that the article is front page, above the fold, Sunday edition on the same day that the story of  one of the great wins in GW history is being printed makes it doubly mean spirited.


3/5/2006 8:59:00 AM
Poster: Reality check...

DB, and if this had been an NCAA report, I'd be outraged.  But its the Post.  In broad strokes, they used one kids story from start of high school musical chairs to the #6 team in the nation as an eample.  Would you rather they deal in abstracts?  Its a paper not a congresisonal report. If we were not #6 in the nation, this would not be happening.  If we want to swim in the deep end of the pool, we need to be prepared to deal with this sort of stuff.

And I disagree with everyone who says they wouldn't write this story about MD.  I think Prisbell is ready to kill himself that it wasn't MD.  The GT thing is a different story.  GT in the 80's had a coach who manhandled the media. 


3/5/2006 9:04:00 AM
Poster: alan smithee

And GT presently has a Schofield player on roster.


3/5/2006 9:11:00 AM
Poster: Boston Pops

Reality check, i find it pathetic that you have to hide behind a double alias to make your charges.  Clearly the Post has blown this story out of proportion simply because we are becoming news worthy.  The fact remains that to focus on omar without reporting his record as a college student is simple, purposeful distortion to promote the thesis of the story.  If you're going to report the story report the whole story.  This is shoddy journalism at its finest.

Admittedly, I did not follow the Lutheran story closely as it was being disclosed.  However, I'm not entirely convinced that the program is/was crooked or even that such programs are necessarily bad.  If i understand the process, these schools aren't alternative high schools, but rather they kick-in for students who were unable to achieve a certain academic standing after finishing high school.  The fact that the coach is also the educator perhaps isn't such a bad thing.  In many cases its a question of getting thru to these kids and making them see the significance of studying and preparing for eams.   Coach Hobbs in an interview that was quoted on the A10 board site, says he was confident in the character of both his young men and essentially satisfied they were worth the investment.  The proof is in the pudding.  Whatever Hobbs saw, whatever Lutheran did, seems to have worked for these two and i would be surprised if it hasn't worked for others as well.



3/5/2006 9:35:00 AM
Poster: Reality check...

Hide behind a double alias? its a blind chat board you tool - everyone is alias, even Herve!  I don't think the story of 5,000 plus HS diploma factories is blown out of proportio at all. They can't report his grades if no one authorized gives them to him (Omar, and no one else) without violating federal student privacy laws, so complain to Omar or the SID for not providing them.  The story wasn't about GW's out of control low academic standards, it was about the HS diploma factories,  They don't say Hobbs goes after all fake HS diploma kids.  And if Hobs and GW won't talk on the record, they have nothing to report.  And the fact that Omar has succeeded probably proves out that if these factories didnt eist and Omar had been forced to attend and graduate fromHS, everyone would be better off.  FOr every Omar, there are hundreds of others that get no D-1 scholarship and have no education to help get them through life because of sumbags who "help" them get through high school without having to learn basic skills.

Did you even read the Post story?  I'm guessing not if you think these high schools only help them pay tution.  Why don't you at least read that which you are disagreeing with?  I am shocked you would post this.  Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you?  You make me ashamed to be a GW grad if you can't even separate the issue from the team long enough to at least admit that fake high schools with fake classes (even the headmaster at the high svhools admits they had no teachers or facilities to teach those classes - one of his high schools was a k-8 until the Scholfield showed up with basketball players and in one week they had a high school curriculum). 

I am so disappointed right now...


3/5/2006 10:35:00 AM
Poster: Boston Pops

actually i read both the post story and the times.  i'm just not impressed.


3/5/2006 10:38:00 AM
Poster: Boston Pops

actually i read both the post story and the times.  i'm just not impressed.


3/5/2006 10:45:00 AM
Poster: Boston Pops

We do all use an alias.  But our on-screen characters develop their own personnas that are reflections of our real selves.  Each of use builds a reputation based on our thoughts and opinions.  What are you hiding from?  Are you concerned that if we knew your alter-screen name you would lose credibility or is it that you know you would lose credibility from this point forward? 



3/5/2006 11:22:00 AM
Poster: colonial96

everyone out there is wondering how GW could be good at basketball and is looking for reasons why.  gw having players who are academically ineligble is going to help a lot of people around here sleep at night because they cant deal with colonial success.  thats the only reason these stories are getting so much attention.  people cant believe gw is good and figure theres got to be a dirty secret behind the success.

with that said.  shame on karl hobbs for this one.  theres no way omar should have ever been admitted to gw, and im sure the scholarship could have gone to some1 who would have also contributed.  gw has come a long way academically over the past few years to have its reputation dragged through the mud by our hoops coach.



3/5/2006 11:58:00 AM
Poster: HERVE

With fans like that, who needs enemies?


3/5/2006 11:58:00 AM
Poster: FoBo

Re: those who posted that there was no mention of Omar's academic standing in the Post article.

Third paragraph, first sentence (before the jump): "George Washington said it followed NCAA rules when it relied on that certification in deciding to admit Williams, and said he is on track to graduate in May." It's also in the caption of the front page photo.



3/5/2006 12:30:00 PM
Poster: GW grad 2004

A) The Post is not GW's public relations wing. They had an interesting story about a problem in college basketball a few weeks ago (before The Times did) and then followed it up with a local eample that further illustrates the problems with this entire Clearinghouse system. Plus, they plan Sunday editions well in advance, so they had no way of knowing it would be published after such a thrilling win. With the NCAA currently reviewing its Clearinghouse, this is a timely issue and the paper wanted it in the biggest edition of the week.

B) How come nobody here has mentioned the quotes from Chernak and SJT????  Basically, Chernak is saying that if the school knew then what it knows now, it wouldn't have admitted Omar. And by Trachtenberg saying he trusts Coach Hobbs, he's basically saying, "Don't look at me. Coach Hobbs is responsible for who plays here."

To me, that's admirable honesty on Chernak's part, and not-so-subtle finger-pointing by Trachtenberg. Those quotes were almost as fascinating as the fact that someone who didn't graduate high school is attending GW.



3/5/2006 1:17:00 PM
Poster: Levinator

I also got a response from Mark.  i tried the "be inciteful, use facts and raise arguments without cursing" approach.  Below is the email i got today.

Nice read Mark.  I promise I'm not a Terp grad.   I went to an SEC school so the GW-Maryland rivalry doesn't carry any weight with me. Prep schools are a national hot-button issue right now and we've been covering the issue for more than a month. When did beating Charlotte become an historical day? Very nice season, though. Congratulations.

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Mark Schlabach
Staff Writer -- Sports
The Washington Post
Of course I will respond back eplaining why going 26-1 in that fashion (perfect A-10 season et al) isa HISTORIC game.  sometimes local media can be very unpredictable.  But guys, frankly, the editors who are in charge of thepost layout are all Terp and/or Gw hating editors.  This was VERY predictable.  Once we win the A-10 tourney it will appear on pg 6.  On page 1 will be an article on how GW wont keep Hobbs because we arent UMD or Gtown.  Another artivle on page 1 will congratulate Marlyand on losing in the first round of the ACC.  It would be the follow up to the follow up of that game. 


3/5/2006 1:32:00 PM
Poster: Dootie Bubble

Schlabach wrote a piece on UGA for the AJC.  If he's a bulldog that eplains a lot..a-hole lot!



3/5/2006 2:16:00 PM
Poster: FREE QUEBEC

In the WaPo chats, the other writers ALWAYS refer to him as Mark S-E-Chlabach.  Clearly, he's a bigtime SEC homer.  I have no idea if that's relevant, but given the comparison between GW, who apparently admitted and nutrured to success a kid with a sketchy academic past, vs. Georgia, who had a coach teaching a class and doling out As to his players with no work or attendance apparently required, I'd say it's at least interesting.


3/5/2006 3:31:00 PM
Poster: Mailvan

Yes, there is a legitimate story here but it's a story about how the NCAA Clearinghouse must start to pay far more attention to the academic standards of the prep schools before offering certification.  My problem with the article is Schlabach's assessment that this incident "calls into question George Washington's methods for building a basketball program bound for the NCAA tournament."  I take great eception to this because GW has ehibited no wrongdoing whatsoever in their recruitment and admission of Omar or any other player.  This is a problem that needs fiing but GW not only played by the current rules but also supported Omar academically to the point where he will be graduating as an honor student.  (Incidentally, the article does mention that Omar is scheduled to graduate on time but conveniently omits the incongruous fact of his having made the honor roll.)  This issue truly boils down to what responsibility should a school have, if any, to make certain that an athlete has been educated beyond the fact that the athlete is academically eligible to play.  My opinion is that the school has a moral obligation to only accept athletes who they believe will academically succeed at their institution, and that of course, a real obligation to know that an athlete is eligible.  GW has clearly satisfied this criteria in this particular case.  While it would undoubtedly have been morally or ethically preferable for GW to have dug deeper and to have made sure that Omar had received a legitimate high school education, once again, they were not legally obligated to research the prep school's credibility in advance.  The Post and the NY Times have both attempted to make this a GW story as well as an NCAA Clearinghouse story and this is what I find objectionable.  The timing of these articles is appalling.  Omar Williams has been at GW for practically four full years.  It is painfully clear that he is being used as the "poster boy" for this issue strictly due to the team's success this season.    There is a strong implication behind the manner in which these articles have been presented that GW hasn't truly earned their success this season, that somehow, they were able to circumvent the rules for their own benefit.  In reality, all GW has done here is follow the rules.  If the rules need fiing, and of course, they likely do, then fi them and I have no doubt that GW will play by the new rules as well.   However, don't question GW's  "methods" for building a basketball program when in reality, the university has done nothing wrong.


3/5/2006 4:11:00 PM
Poster: Bigfan

1) Three of us didn't remember seeing the reference to Omar's standing in the first edition of the paper. Didn't say it wasn't there, but didn't see it, and it was at best half a sentence after the university issued an entire statement.

Was it changed between editions? This happens. Not saying it did, but three of us, including someone who was not finding fault with the piece, didn't recall it. Someone with better computer skills might be able to determine this.

Interestingly, the article, apparently in the works for a long time, was not in the early Sunday edition of the paper at the game.

2) Obviously this is important--a huge problem with 5,000 prep schools (which weren't detailed) and the Post should be encouraged to do investigative reporting. Like I said last night, take your best shot. No one is proud of being in this situation. The whole system is terrible and we are part of it and this particular situation is quite gray  But since there were no NCAA rules violated apparently, that is also important to bear in mind.

Now sometimes, it can't be helped that you can't answer all the questions in a story like this, I understand. But there are many questions. Just a few include:

Are there no questionable transcripts and players at Maryland, Georgetown, Maryland, Howard, Catholic, George Mason, UVa, Va. Tech and Bowie State in a  major sport? Is Maryland really so pure, as its officials were referred to in quesitoning our reliance on the NCAA clearinghouse. Why just Omar and by implication Maureece? One would think that as broad a reach as possible would strengthen this article.

Were NCAA rules violated? Did Omar, Maureece or Coach Hobbs violate them? Is there proof of any knowing involvement in any fraudulent behavior.

Was the only attempt to reach Omar by cell phone on Friday, just before this huge piece about him run? If not, should it have been mentioned in the article? The articles mention interviews conducted three weeks ago. Should Omar have been personally asked for comment? Go right up to him. Probably not hard to find. Another play

If it is just Omar, so be it. Then this is perfectly justified in eactly the way it was done. Have no problems with the idea of doing hard reporting on this and not going to refleively defend GW.

 But the timing is odd. While not seeing conspiracy theories,  it is questionable  with photos of senior day, four years after he stepped on the court. After we cap off an undefeated league season and the best record in college basketball. I believe the article said we announced his signing in 2001. It is 2006.Who is behind this? Is the coach in the blind quote an A-10 coach (it would presumably not be Chaney, who signed Keith Butler)?

If this is when the article was ready, so be it. But it is not eactly a shocking revelation, hold much of Page 1 above the fold revelation that very gray areas occur in getting basketball players and big athletes in school?

Given all the stories about Pakistan and terrorism, reports that the Administration is cracking down on leaks to reporters, the really disquieting story about handicapped people being denied transportation service etc., why the absolutely etraordinary play for this story about one college basketball player? It really is unusual play for any piece in the Post, including investigative pieces.

How may decades have there been discussions of this issue? Wasn't there a movie, Blue Chips, in the '70's and 80's. If this clarifies college basketball or makes GW a better place,  that's great. Is this a problem, yes. Been so for years. The Post is entitled to report what it wants in any case and it has contributed greatly to socieyt.  We can take our lumps and if we are the only ones with these gray area questions, shame on us. But it's also reasonable to epect across the board perspective and in these things, the goal is also really to answer questions as well as raise them.



3/5/2006 6:43:00 PM
Poster: class of 98

There's no question that the article was not good for the team, the school, or any of us who are sharing in this "special season", but if you feel that the WP crossed a line, than hurt them the only way you can, with your wallet.!

Cancel your subsciptions, boycott their advertisers, don't send traffic to their websites, wipe your a** with the epress (which btw is quite inferior to the Eaminer).  As with most traditional newspapers in this country, they are already suffering from reduced readership and if you feel that you were attacked, than fight back!

Personally, I think this is a pretty good piece of investigative journalism that could have easily been written about 250 D1 programs, but our recent success, and the WP's Pro-MD, Pro-G'town, bias combine to make us an easy target.

BTW, has anyone else noticed how much Gary Williams looks like this (not safe for work/family) guy?



3/5/2006 6:44:00 PM
Poster: Free Quebec

well said, Bigfan.


3/5/2006 8:02:00 PM
Poster: Poog

GW appears to have played by the rules when it recruited Omar. We are always complaining that GW never announces its recruits and what we consistently get told is that their announcement is pending approval by the NCAA Clearinghouse.  Kind of like funny ta laws. Just becuase we don't like the loopholes that SOMEONE ELSE is using to avoid paying taes, doesn't mean that they have done anything wrong.  Chernak has it right, if we knew then what we know now, Omar wouldn't have been admitted to GW. That he has apparently been successful in working toward his degree is indicative that predictors can be wrong -- anyone not get into a school because their SAT or LSAT scores weren't high enough?  Omar is a personal success story, his situation would appear to be a failure of the system. If GW played it straight, it has nothing to apologize for and need not wring its hands. I'm amused that officials from other schools were quick to blame GW for not going deeper than the NCAA system that was in place to do this very thing -- certify an athlete's eligibility.  I think we as GW fans should be neither thin-skinned or defensive. Play by the rules, you've played fair. Bend the rules, you've got some eplaining to do. Break the rules intentionally, shame, shame, shame. We've used the phrase "In Hobbs We Trust" with respect to what he is doing with the basketball team. Those sentiments should equally apply here.


3/6/2006 1:09:00 AM
Poster: Dolphin Michael

Boston Pops... you are an ass


3/6/2006 4:19:00 AM
Poster: Boston Pops

DolphinM, sorry, I was feeling pissed off at this topic and struggling with the delete key myself.


3/6/2006 10:02:00 AM
Poster: OLD SCHOOL COLONIAL

Big Fan nailed it. There are a lot of ways that the Post could have been more fair in this story, specifically noting that many other programs are in this boat, that it reflects flaws in the clearinghouse system, etc. I also think the line about "raising questions" about GW's success was WAY out of line. And I think the use of an anonymous source is always a bad idea, particularly when it's a hoops coach with an a to grind.

That said, I find few of the raving posters here questioning the facts in this article. The facts are very damning. That doesn't make Karl Hobbs a shady character or Omar Williams a bad guy. (sidenote -- very few if any of us know Omar Williams but we are all saying what a good man he is. We have no basis for that, really. Still, based on the coach's comments, his general demeanor on and off the court and reports about his academic progress, my take is that he is is a solid young man who is making the most of his opportunity).

In any event, we are making ourselves look like idiots with our attacks on the Post's motives, comparing this to Janet Cooke, profanity-laced emails, SEC-related conspiracy, etc...As someone posted, we are risking becoming like the other hypersensitive hoops boards where no one has any connection to reality.

Let's just enjoy our season, understand that success leads to scrutiny but continue to have faith that Hobbs will do things the right way. I feel bad that Omar was singled out but, again, the facts are not being questioned. As someone in the journalism field, I feel just as offended when someone unfairly questions the motives of a reporter as I do when people spread untruths about the Colonials.



3/6/2006 10:21:00 AM
Poster: Dolphin Michael

Sorry back Boston. Not sure what happened, but the system went bursurk. Herve has attached hair shirt in an email.


3/6/2006 10:46:00 AM
Poster: BCD

IMO, this would have been a big story when Omar was admitted 4 years ago.  The comment that Omar "shouldn't have been admitted" rings hollow in hindsight.  He's proven himself capable by maintaining eligibility and even graduating on time.  In my mind, that demonstrates that admitting him WAS acceptable.  Giving a guy a 2nd chance isn't a problem, and it's only after we evaluate what was done with that chance that we know if it was worth the risk or not.  Attilla Cosby's case why we shouldn't have given him a 2nd chance is just as clear as Omars why we should have.  We have to leave it to the coaches/admissions cmte to determine who deserves a chance and who doesn't.  Obviously his basketball prowess playes a role in his admission.  I'm pretty sure my hailing from Kentucky instead of New Jersey helped me get admitted too.  We all bring something to the table.

So if this came to light in 2001/2002, there would be a legitimate argument that Omar wasn't worthy of admission to GW (although we don't know what the admissions cmte's true motivation was).  However, now that we have 20/20 hindsight, it's pretty difficult to say he isn't worthy.

But that's all aside from the fact that the NCAA Clearinghouse clears players to play Div 1 basketball.  There is not even a charge that GW broke any rules, only that someone doesn't deem Omar worthy of admission in spite of his subsequent success.



3/6/2006 11:11:00 AM
Poster: GW Hooper

This article was written because we are competitive and having a great season.  The 1980's Hoyas have nothing to do with the present when the goal of the newspaper is to put out an interesting current story.  If we were a 1 win team, this story would not have taken hold as it has now.  It's the responsibility of an ACADEMIC institution to look at the history of a STUDENT-athlete.  Do other schools have similar issues, Yes!, But none are as successful as us this year with 2 prominent players that went to a "highschool" that doesn't offer real classes.  If anyone deserves blame for this situation it is the administration of GW.  From SJT, seeming confused in the Times article, to the in general terrible job by the PR department, right down to who ever was responsible for checking/reviewing the highschool records of Omar and Reece


3/6/2006 11:20:00 AM
Poster: Dootie Bubble

Now I know how hamsters feel when they are put in those circular treadmills.

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