Per Dave Telep:

Trey Davis of Dallas Woodrow Wilson is visiting George Washington this weekend. He's a point guard.

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Strengths:
Davis is scoring point guard. He is comfortable using ball screens to knock down the pull-up jump shot from 17 feet all the way out to 23 feet. If Davis is given space to operate, he will make good decisions with the basketball. Davis has good ball handling skills and passing ability when he driving the basketball.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbrHJUmllMM

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Trey-Davis-93780#college_choices

http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/zR9Rfa0-g0yiWzceYYJ7JA/basketball-winter-10-11/profile-curtis-davis.htm

http://www.shockernet.net/sn/viewtopic.php?t=14573

http://www.racerfans.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=9925

http://www.dfwbasketballnews.com/DFW-Prospects-Watch-List.html

AAU Team Urban DFW Elite - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntmWFdMRVxI

http://houston.scout.com/a.z?s=215&p=8&c=1&nid=5086324

http://www.hoopscooponline.com/members/hot-july2010.asp

Davis shows scoring and leadership in win

Damon Sayles
TexasHoops.com Senior Writer

Davis shows scoring and leadership in win

Damon Sayles
TexasHoops.com Senior Writer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk6aP6q7QvY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk6aP6q7QvY&feature=related

according to the youtube clips, given the 1/4 filled stands, he would be comfortable playing at GW

If he sings, Dan Guest is sunk. 

GWCoachHobbs: Big weekend for GW Basketball. Hoping for some great weather to break. Rain needs to stop! (about 1 hour ago from Twitter for BlackBerry®)

Jon Lloyd - Part II - Hopefully with a better ending.

It would be interesting if we got him because Richmond has a guy named Trey Davis coming in as well.

It's always nice to have a guy who can just put the ball in the basket. We had too many times last year where we had multiple guys on the court who couldn't score.

Hopefully we get him

So for those inside enough to tell us after the transfer that Fitz was really like our 4th choice, where does this guy Davis fit in the pecking order?

I want Jamal Lewis

I saw Hobbs and co. at Smith and Wollensky tonight - presumably with the new recruit. TT was there as well, so that would make sense.  

FQ,

He wants him Jon Loyd bad.

On an official visit they can.

forgive me if i dont get too excited about another shoot first point guard.  we need someone who will make his teammates better, not detract from them.  just look at what joey rodriguez was able to do for vcu.

FBP,

Never bad to have a pg who has dropped 52 points in a HS game.  Look at his stats - he also has a lot of assists.  The ESPN review was written before his senior year.  He really blew up late like Jon Loyd did.

TT was a scoring PG in high school. I'd say that's worked out pretty well.

Watching the short youtube clips, I have to say his game reminds me of Kevin Anderson from Richmond.  Obviously KA was one of the best point guards in the country over the last two years so it's not to say that he's at that level, just the style of play.  Herky-jerkey at the top, not fast but quick aggressive moves to the basket with loopy floaters with excelent mid-air body control.

In Hobbs we trust.

looking forward to him dropping 50 in a 112-41 GW romp just like he did against a 1-15 Dallas Spruce HS team.

Bowie State anyone?

Cagwuk,

Remember that the youtube video was, I believe from his sophmore year in HS.  I imagine that he continued to get a lot better.

Newtman, are you trying to win the Second Annual bobo Award for Excellence in Debbie Downerdom?  Look at his other stats - he posted great numbers a majority of all of his games.

looking forward to him dropping 50 in a 112-41 GW romp just like he did against a 1-15 Dallas Spruce HS team.

thinker, no. dont infer too much from my posts, thanks. i hope we sign him this weekend. what do you think should we sign him? should we go after Jamal Lewis? i'm the first to admit i have no inside info.

I wouldn't be surprised if we went after Lewis as well and made Trey Davis a sixth man to provide scoring off the bench. Those two plus Kromah would be a pretty explosive backcourt.

I believe that Hobbs absolutely needs and wants another pg THIS YEAR and he likes Davis a lot.  He absolutely does not want to rely on TT to not get hurt or have the year disintegrate.  He's had 2 years recently devastated by a single guard injury - Travis King and Lasan Kromah.  He needs to have a viable option is something happened to TT for a few games or longer.

Also, freshman pg's almost always struggle a bit and Hobbs does not want to go into 2012 having to rely on a freshman to come in and be a major contributor right from the jump.  He really wants to have someone already seasoned a bit before getting to 2012, and it's now not clear at all what role Dan Guest will be able to play going forward.

I don't know that much about Lewis except that he couldn't come THIS year.  If they were both available I don't know who Hobbs would prefer.  It's hard to recruit both of them because the obvious appeal to a player with some solid options is that he'll get significant playing time and that the school won't recruit over him.  I understand that a lot of people on this board don't really get the concept of why it's so bad to recruit over players - but the players and other coaches understand the concept very well.  So once Davis came here, recruiting Lewis would kind of be like a punch in the gut to Davis AND Lewis would be much less likely to want to come because he wouldn't have the same assurance of being able to count on major minutes..

I know that one of the schools listed as being interested in Lewis - Delaware - has a 3rd Team Parade All-American pg - Jarvis Threatt coming this Fall SO I think it's extremely unlikely that he'd go there either.

I see it as similar to the reason we've wanted another point guard. It seems as though Davis, like Taylor, is a prolific scorer who happens to be a good point guard. Just like we'd enjoy having another dependable point guard who could free Taylor up to score more, we could see Davis playing off the ball frequently with Lewis running the point. On its face, it does seem insulting to recruit over a player. However, I think it could be sold to Davis as making his job easier and to Lewis as still getting a lot of playing time with a great scorer in the backcourt.

CSH - No this isn't the NFL and running back by committee.  This isn't Madden.  While what you say is true as far as that being a good thing for GW to multiple pg's and be able to shift them around - it's almost never a positive thing as far as trying to sell that to recruits.

This post will sound negative- but I really mean it as a question, and not a negative.  The last PG that GW recruited this late in the game was Dan Guest.  This guy does not appear to be heavily recruited, and GW is not competing against a school like Oregon, as far as I can tell, as they were for Loyd. 

I've never seen this kid play, and have no idea if he's good or not.  But if DEA knew a long time ago that two GW players were transferring, I'd imagine Hobbs and co. knew as well.  Why was he not being recruited sooner?  Why has he not been recruited by other schools?  Does Hobbs want him Loyd bad because he thinks he's good- or does Hobbs want him Loyd bad because he doesn't have a second point guard on the roster that he is confident in?

If he is more confident in Lewis the next year, is it worth the risk?  I don't know the answer to any of these- and again, this post is not meant to imply anything negative- I really just don't know the answers.

Excellent questions. Not to mention, if it's a bad idea to recruit over someone why are we recruiting over Dan Guest?

If everyone wants GW basketball to get to that mystical "next level" then GW fans are probably going to have to get over the notion that recruiting over someone is a bad thing. Bring in the best players we can with enough confidence in their abilities that they will want to compete for playing time and if necessary, be willing to bide their time until those in front of them move on.  A sustained program can't go into a season with only one option at each position...sometime redundancy is necessary. It's almost always going to be good to have players in the pipeline on the roster since GW can't just walk into a recruit's home, flash the Colonials logo, and get an immediate rush to sign on the dotted line for a Foggy Bottom future.  Let the coaching staff figure out how to manage playing time and player expectations.

Danjs - Every situation is obviously a little different.  Guest was recruited late AND was well down the list of guys they looked at.  Guest was a good prospect and he may still turn into a good player for GW - unfortunately an early injury and the very unfortunate death of his mother really derailed his freshman year and has made the situation at pg more unclear.

Hobbs has been recruiting Davis for a while now - he's the player in Dallas that Hobbs has referred to.  Just because his official visit to GW wasn't until this weekend doesn't mean that GW hasn't been recruiting him for a while.  The visit is generally the last step in the recruitment when they try and get the player to agree to commit.  There are a bunch of steps before that 1) You have to see him play maybe more than once and maybe by multiple coaches to decide if you even want the kid to begin with; 2) You have to convince the kid and his family to seriously consider GW, and of course in that point in the process you have to get the kid's transcripts and test scores because you have to determine whether the kid could get accepted to play at GW in the first place, then 3) You have to get the kid to agree come for an official visit (which often gets delayed because of the kid's school schedule at home).  4) Then you have the vist itself.

From what I understand, Davis is absolutely his first choice - just like Jon Loyd was his first choice last year.  Is he as good as Loyd?  Who knows - they're different players with different strengths and weaknesses.  But I believe that they think he can really play AND that's he's the best option available to GW.  If Lewis were willing to commit right now - maybe then they'd rather go in that direction.  But it's not clear that GW can get Lewis anyway.  AND Hobbs REALLY wants to add a pg THIS year.  If he can't, then I imagine that Hobbs will absolutely have Lewis as his top choice for NEXT year - but that isn't his preference because he needs another pg NOW.

According to Dave Telep - of ESPN - who broke the story that Davis was visiting GW - the main competition for Davis is Florida State - I think that counts as a pretty major school and almost certainly a better team than Oregon was last year.  Like a lot of players Hobbs goes after, Davis was a bit under the radar and really exploded his senior year but he's definately a really good prospect.

Rocket,

Recruiting over someone relates more to context than anything else.  Jon Loyd was being heavily recruited by multiple teams. He was recruited by Oregon with promises that he would be the go-to guy there and play a central role.  Before he even got to Oregon and played one minute Oregon had already signed a couple of much more highly rated guards for 2011. 

Dan Guest was not heavily recruited and I sincerely doubt he was given much of any assurances at all by anyone about his role on the team.  He had already been at GW and had difficulty adjusting here long before GW started recruiting Davis.  Guest was recruited and given a chance to play, and unfortunate circumstances really hurt him.  Because GW can't be confident in him going forward and for other reasons mentioned elsewhere, GW decided to get another pg - focusing on Davis.  So that simply isn't what recruiting over is. 

poog, i agree. top teams dont shy away from competition for a starting spot. the more competition players face in practice the better they should become. i understand thinker's view but i believe it depends on what the coach tells a recruit. Davis looks promising but i share some of danj's concerns. if we sign Davis is that recruiting over Dan Guest? i dont think so but what did KH tell Guest during the recruiting process. what if Davis doesnt produce do we not recruit Jamal Lewis because we have Davis? thinker makes a good point that it's a complex matter but i can't buy into not recruiting 'over' someone.

poog, i agree. top teams dont shy away from competition for a starting spot. the more competition players face in practice the better they should become. i understand thinker's view but i believe it depends on what the coach tells a recruit. Davis looks promising but i share some of danj's concerns. if we sign Davis is that recruiting over Dan Guest? i dont think so but what did KH tell Guest during the recruiting process. what if Davis doesnt produce do we not recruit Jamal Lewis because we have Davis? thinker makes a good point that it's a complex matter but i can't buy into not recruiting 'over' someone.

 GW is competing with BCS schools for Davis. This is a far more comparable situation to Loyd then Guest. 

Thinker is pretty much on the money on this one. 

given injury bugs, the senior status of TT etc., if the kid can play (something I cannot tell from the clips except the empty stands) then sign him.  I know this is going to raise a "can KH coach" respopnse, but a good coach can figure out what to do with two good pgs on the same team.

Notta, this is definately not a situation where GW is deciding whether we want Davis - We want him.  It's whether Davis will choose us.  Hopefully we get a committment from him before he returns home from his visit.

DEA, where have you seen that BCS schools are recruiting him?  The scouting report I read showed that the bigger schools have shown interest in him, but it only showed him receiving offers from mid-majors and smaller schools.  Plus the Texas rankings below show him to be ranked 34th in the state of Texas.  He seems like a good player, but do you think he is at the level of heading to a BCS school?

http://highschoolsportsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/10/check-out-the-updated-rivalscom-texas-ba.html

thinker, i agree with you that this is different than the Dan Guest situation and we should sign Davis if we get the chance. he sounds like TT. happy to hear that several BCS schools are showing interest. i believe that KH has been scouting but didnt want it to go public because TJ and Chris hadn't announced they were transferring yet.

however, agree with poog about recruiting 'over' someone. GW doesn't have too many good players for too few spots i think it's the other way around.

 I know that Florida State is and that's certainly a BCS school. 

thinker, i agree with you that this is different than the Dan Guest situation and we should sign Davis if we get the chance. he sounds like TT. happy to hear that several BCS schools are showing interest. i believe that KH has been scouting but didnt want it to go public because TJ and Chris hadn't announced they were transferring yet.

however, agree with poog about recruiting 'over' someone. GW doesn't have too many good players for too few spots i think it's the other way around.

I think a lot of good sports programs recruit over other players.  Look at college football.  Schools like USC and Florida get 4 or 5 great running backs and the top one plays while the others sit it out.  The schools don't even know which guy is going to step up and be the one each season.  USC has had running backs who were the national college players of the year, and they end up in the 3rd string. 

Basketball isn't like that as much because the rosters are so small to begin with.  But Hobbs needs wins this season and who knows which guy will be the one to step up?  At small forward who will be starting at the end of the season?  Smith, Mikic, Ware, Davis?  Maybe Hobbs doesn't know either at this point.  He has to run the practices to see who will show up and help the team win some games.

LA Fan - You are right that pseudo NFL teams like USC and Florida can recruit over players and do so all of the time.  VERY few teams can get away with that and GW is certainly not one of those. If you get a reputation for recruiting over players - other guys in the future won't come to play for you.  Other coaches who are recruiting against you will heavily emphasize the "if you go play for Hibbs you'll get screwed - because look what he's done to these other guys."

Everyone here seem to focus on why wouldn't we want all of the best players we can get and let competition sort it out? That's fine except that's not the way it actually works for schools like GW.  We can't afford to recruit over guys.  It's hard enough to get one decent player at a position - the school is just not going to spin it's wheels getting a good player and then focus on replacing him.  As I've stated before - that's what Georgetwon does and even they pay a price for doing it.

Thanks for the explanation thinker.  If this is who GW wants, I hope GW gets him.  It would be interesting to see the next years' recruits if GW gets Copes, Davis, and Davis.  Do they still go after Lewis, to have two solid PG's for the next 3 years?  Do they start recruiting more shooters?  more wings?  if this recruiting class is as good as those in the know say it is, it will be fun to watch the group develop, and see who develops under them.

Davis, Davis, Guest, Guest, Copes

Danjs,

If GW gets Trey Davis and there are no other departures, I believe the number one 2012 target will be a big.  Someone like Donovon Jack - a very skilled big from the same HS as Donyell's son Marquis.  After that the next target is likely to be a scoring wing player like Marquis.  Assuming no early departures after 2011 then GW would still have one scholarship that I imagine would go to the best player available at any position.

 Just a note, as I've said before I believe that no scholarship would have to be used on Marshall as coaches sons don't usually require one. I'm basing this off of the Barons in URI not using schollies. 

DEA, would Marshall then have to go through the same admissions process as any other student or would he be held to the same standards as other athletes are?

Are people seroously questioning why would recruit over Dan Guest?  Do the people on this board even watch us play? 

thinker, i agree with you that this is different than the Dan Guest situation and we should sign Davis if we get the chance. he sounds like TT. happy to hear that several BCS schools are showing interest. i believe that KH has been scouting but didnt want it to go public because TJ and Chris hadn't announced they were transferring yet.

however, agree with poog about recruiting 'over' someone. GW doesn't have too many good players for too few spots i think it's the other way around.

If Hobbs is uncomfortable about going into next season with just one quality PG (Taylor), why would he be any less hesitent to go into the 2012-2013 season with only one PG (Davis)?  If Guest doesn't work out, Hobbs will need to find another PG next season as well.  

The question really is if Davis and Lewis could both play in the same backcourt together?  Since they can both handle the ball, drive and shoot from distance, WHY NOT?  Jones and Galloway are 2 relatively small guards that can handle the ball and score look like a promising combo for SJU.  The issue with playing both at the same time is obviously lack of height.  It would put great strain on the trapping 1-3-1 style Hobbs runs but if Hobbs could adapt and play mostly man D when Lewis and Lewis at the same time, GW could relly improve it'soffense.

As long as both Lewis and Davis were getting serious minutes of playing time, it's unlikely the recruit would complain too much.   

A few reasons for someone to choose GW over Florida State:

GW is a unique location in Washington, D.C., where you can play in front of President Obama.

A good caliber player is guaranteed good minutes, unlike an ACC team where you might wind up at the bottom of the pecking order and play vvery little.

Our top point guard recruits have done very well.. Just the most recent example is Tony Taylor, who was a high-scoring point guard  in High School.

Just saying....

Like most things bobo - you just don't get it.  The problem isn't that the second recruit might not complain after he arrives - the problem is that he won't want to come when there is another starting quality pg already there.  And even if Lewis is fine with it then you're also showing Davis bad faith and you're showing people outside the program that you will recruit over guys.

And no Hobbs doesn't ideally want two under 6' guards in the backcourt at the same time as a longterm proposition.  That's nice that St. Joes does it but Hobbs doesn't want to do it if "all he has to do is change his entire defensive scheme" that he relies upon.

But it's only "recruiting over" Davis if Lewis actually steals playing time from Davis.  If Hobbs had the ability to adapt his schemes to fit his personel, then they could play both in the same backcourt.  Sounds crazy but coaches actually can do this. 

Most likely though, "thinker", Hobbs will be gone after this season and we won't have to deal with this issue. 

FQ hit it but I'll elaborate.  It's amazing that this conversation went on for as long as it did without the topic of "recruiting over WHOM" coming up.  The Loyd-TT "debate" wasn't a real debate because they were several years apart.  However, Thinker and I played the hypothetical what if they were a year apart scenario and that's where we had differences of opinion.  I don't believe you recruit "over" someone who has proven himself on the court.  In my estimation, Tony had shown enough in his play to receive the benefit of not having a quality prospect at his same position be recruited to challenge him for minutes.  Again, this assumes that Tony would have been a sophomore when Loyd would have been a freshman.  (Two or more class years apart is fine and encouraged.)

In one season, Dan Guest has proven himself to be a pass-first point guard who doesn't look like he will ever be a scoring threat.  There were clearly some unfortunate and even tragic circumstances that factored into Dan's play.  Nevertheless, I believe that most people can assume that Dan's upside is limited and that Davis looks like he would represent a clear upgrade at the position.  So even though they are a class year apart, I would advocate recruiting Davis because I think having him  on the team makes the team better without jeopardizing very much in return.  Therefore, in this respect, it's a different scenario than Loyd-TT had they been one class year apart.

No bobo that isn't what "recruiting over" means - you can't just make up your own meanings to accepted terms.  Recruting over means recruiting one guy with some type of specific promise and then turning around shortly thereafter and recruiting another guy - usually at the same position with the same promise.  Those two promises would generally be mutually exclusive.  So if both guys came, one would likely feel like they had been deceived.  Much of the effect is felt before the second guy even plays so it isn't about actual miniutes.  It's about perceived good faith in recruiting by the coach.  But I understood it is folly to argue logic with you.

So the coaching staff is promising Davis a starting role as PG with no competiion after Taylor leaves?  I hope not.  Kids care about playing time and getting shots in the offensive.  Lewis has played a good amount at SG in HS  and Davis has been a "shoot first" PG so far in Dallas.  No reason the coaches couldn't be honest and explain that, if they both come, they will focus the offense around the 3 guards: Davis, Lewis and Kromah.  If they deserve it, all can start as well.  There's plenty of minutes and shots to spread around for those 3 and let Pellom and Copes block shots and grab rebounds down low.   

Remember that after we landed Ricky Lucas, we still recruited JR Pinnock, who played basically the same position.  Both were rated roughly equally, with some scouting services preferring Lucas and some preferring Pinnock.  Pinnock beat him out for the job and that was that.  But as I understand it, Lucas was a good guy and held no hard feelings over it.

Same thing happened to my cousin, a highly sought after LaCrosse goalie.  He was recruited by several lax powers, before signing with Rutgers. They also signed another goalie the same year because they basically had none. The other guy beat my cousin out for the starting job and, although my cousin at first wasn't happy about it, he made peace with it prety quickly without feeling like he was "recruited over."

bobo - I'm so glad you understand everything about how recruiting is actually done and the actual arguments used by coaches.  Everything you say always makes sense other than it mostly being wrong.  You make points based on your logic that you imagine is what other people's logic should be - unfortunately it usually isn't.  You should focus on what you know best - telling us how much future recruits who you've never seen play will suck.  Your best argument here is that GW shouldn't want Davis anyway because he will suck. 

I do think you need to make a distinction between recruiting two guys in the same class who play the same position (let them both know that there will be competition) or recruiting a player 2 or more class years apart (let the incoming freshman know that they are being groomed to be a starter one day) as opposed to recruiting a player one year apart from an established contributing player.  Unless you are dissatisfied with the performance of the current player, I think this sends a threatening message which wouldn't be in the best interests of a player who you are happy with.

I find this discussion fascinating, and am unsure which side of the debate I fall on.  On the one hand, having 2 good players at any position would be great.  On the other hand- what constitutes being recruited over?

Montrell McDonald was a wing.  He was recruited the year after JR, I believe, and 2 years after Mike Hall.  Was that recruiting over, or continuing to build?

I think the cool thing about GW is that "recruiting over" can be less of an issue, solely because of the style of basketball hobbs coaches.  Two PGs could benefit from 20 minutes a game, and both excel at GW (maybe).  Certainly 2 or 3 or 4 wings can (see Smith, Ware, Mikic).  At one point is it recruiting for the betterment of the team- and at what point is it recruiting to the detriment of the team- this is an interesting balance.

The obvious fear, in all of this, is losing out on a player for fear of not "recruiting over."  Let's say, for example, GW gets Trey Davis.  Now they are stoked...but, if I understand, would have to back off recruiting Jamal Lewis.  This, understandably, would put GW behind the 8 ball in that recruitment.  If, halfway through next season, Davis stinks--or gets hurt--or hates DC--now GW is behind on recruiting Lewis, and has no PG that they are happy with.  This is a very interesting balance, indeed.

 I think we are getting a little ahead of ourselves. There's no guarantee that Davis comes here. He's going to Florida State next week and it's tough to like our odds too much recruiting against an ACC team that just go to the Sweet 16. I think we have a decent shot but all of this talk of recruiting over somebody is sort of pointless until that person is here 

DEA - in the mind of an 18 year old there are so many other factors - being seen on TV at FSU - associating with a school with a BCS football team which brings cameras on campus every weekend and world series level baseball team-the women on campus - the weather.  Also, I get the idea that Hamilton is a decent bloke who got hosed over by the Zards during the rif between O'Malley and Michael Jordan.

Johnny Lee.  'Nuff said.

FSU does come with the lifelong stigma of having "attended FSU" going on your resume.  It's like a scarlet letter A that tells future employers you are an ignorant asshole who will occassionally forget to wear pants to work, break out in an impromtu "hatchet chop" at least three times an hour, and eat urinal cakes at "snack time." 

If only we could get Trey and Dootie in a room together for 10 minutes...Dootie could spend a minute praising GW and 9 minutes bashing FSU....and this would be a done deal.

I've seen Leonard Hamilton in the past, but it really freaked me out during the tourney this year how much he looks like Bunny Colvin.  I think he coaches defense the Western district way.

You're a tad too wired, doug.

What the fuck did I do?

And just like that, doug has derailed the thread. You happy now bitch?

FQ made me laugh, though he forgot to mention that most men in that area pull their socks up to their knees when wearing shorts (and even sandals).

Sorry, meant notta hater...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/recruiting-insider/post/herndon-all-met-guard-austin-hamilton-commits-to-elon/2011/04/11/AFNmCIMD_blog.html

i never saw on the board that we had made a pitch to this player.  Elon is a darn good school, however, what am I missing?  Was he over his head in the A-10 or did we almost slide on under the radar?

DS: Bunny Colvin, The Wire. No credit for David Simon?

bobo, do you think we lost him, or did we drop our pursuit in favor of Davis - they sound very similar to me.

 Davis is a better player. Once he showed mutual interest then he got more attention 

link?

link?

Hopefully it'll work out great, if true. Always nice to get the guy the coach wants.

As for the other guy, maybe he would have chosen Elon anyway, but if it's true that we backed off an actual offer when Davis showed interest, then it goes to illustrate the gamble that is recruiting. If the other kid just takes the offer when we make it, then he gets the schollie, instead of ending at Elon (again, that's assuming he wouldnt have preferred Elon anyway, which we have no idea, and presuming that the report of an offer from us is actually accurate, and that it's accurate that we backed off when Davis showed interest -- so many ifs that I'm basically offering a hypothetical).

April 14, 2011

Damon Sayles
TexasHoops.com Senior Writer

Trey Davis

April 14, 2011

Damon Sayles
TexasHoops.com Senior Writer

Trey Davis

April 14, 2011

Damon Sayles
TexasHoops.com Senior Writer

Trey Davis

April 14, 2011

Damon Sayles
TexasHoops.com Senior Writer

Trey Davis

That article actually was worth reading 4 times.  Sounds very much like Tony Taylor credentials of a few years ago (coming out of high school).

Now with Davis signing along with the other Davis and Copes, Hobbs has put together his best recruiting class on paper in at least the last 3 or 4 years.  I hope all of these guys fit in and have nice careers at GW.  You can tell that Hobbs knows he is at a crucial time and is pushing hard to get some talented guys to come play here.  I think the line from Hobbs to Davis had to be that he will be groomed over the next year as the starting pg, and perhaps Florida State and Auburn couldn't make the same commitment.  It's probably true too.

 I think you will see from some of the schedule that there's an upgrade there too.

FSU, Auburn???? Did we get a guy under the radar?  Dare I say, In Hobbs We Trust?

Congrats to the GW Staff on this coup.  Can't wait for next year already.

He should get to play SMU home and home, too.

When I heard of the visit this weekend, I was truly hoping we would be able to wrap this up quick as once again it seems like our recruiting is going back to finding the hidden gems, that seem to fall through the craks until the end of their time in high school (Copes of course excluded, as he has been committed for quite some time). To beat out BCS programs like Florida St. and Auburn is not only impressive, but it is yet another reminder that the chance for more playing time and to make a name for yourself in a league like the A10 and a city like D.C. are the NUMBER ONE way to recruit talented players in any area and at any position.

All I can think of now is with Taylor, Davis and Bynes at PG, Kromah, Mikic, Smith, Ware and J. Davis to split time at the 2 and 3, and using Pellom, Copes and a bit of Warren for the post positions, this team has turned itself into a formidable force on paper. If you think the opening game lineup would be Taylor, Kromah, Mikic, Pellom and Copes, Than it gives us the chance to bring a scoring point guard Davis off the bench, a defensive guard in Bynes off the pine as well as strong role players like Smith, Ware, J.Davis and even Warren to give us solid minutes.

The bottom line is this team must perform at a high level, and if the schedule is as strong as is being advertised, the early season excuses must be at a minimum as the talent level that exists within GW is that of a potential NCAA tournament team, or at worst an NIT caliber squad. There can be no stagnant offense or leaks in a stupid trap defense...this team must finally learn from the past years of losing and come to play from the start of the season, and I hope Hobbs and Co. are prepared to be coaching for their jobs on a nightly basis.

That said, I think just about everyone can agree that this is just one, in a number of promising signs, that in a cyclical sport like College Basketball, GW is on the way up.

Welcome, Trey! 

This sounds great.  Congrats to the coaching staff.

Also, Hobbs and co definitely throwing down the gauntlet for the mitten.  Needs to demostrate that he can be more than just a defensive stopper.

I guess he likes to go to schools named after US Presidents.

Like the academic reference by his coach.

Washington and GW have a lot to sell as a place to go to school.

I'll be the debbie downer.  There are two statements in the article that worry me.  Neither statement was quoted to Trey, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt- but they are "red flag" type comments.

The first comes right up top.  "Trey Davis approached the recruiting process the same way he chose to play basketball.  He did it his way..."  It's fine to approach the recruiting process that way.  But I don't think Hobbs is really a "play basketball your way" kind of guy.  If that's who he is, it will be an interesting dynamic.

The second comes towards the end of the article.  "Davis has aspirations of being an immediate starter in the A-10."  It is great that he has those aspirations...but I hope he doesn't have...and wasn't given..those expectations.  There is a senior point guard ahead of him.  There is an all A-10 guard coming back from injury ahead of him.  It's possible GW goes with three guards to start, which would include him....but it doesn't really seem all that likely.  I just hope he wasn't told he would be starting...because it doesn't appear to be plausible next year.

A few observations from that article:

1) He sounds like a good kid, and a good player.  My guess is the big schools weren't on him early because he's only 160, and while even Hobbs' system is likely at its best with Carl Elliot sized PGs, one thing that's clear -- when you look at the non-BCS teams that make runs (like VCU and Richmond this year), they generally have a sub-6' guard who can really play and is only at their school because the BCS thought they were too small. 

2) To Dan's point, the line about aspirations of being an immediate starter jumped out at me, too, but I also notiiced the previous statement in which he said he'd be given a chance for immediate PT.  The key there being a chance.  Sometimes you see guys say I chose the school because I could play right away.  He certainly heard that it was just a chance (as in, if he excels in practice), but then again sometimes people only hear what they want to hear.

3) Glad to hear Donyell was involved in the recruiting.  Perhaps this will turn into an example of his big name helping up our recruiting (but of course we have to see how this kid turns out).

4) The BEST thing in the article is that he chose GW over Florida St. because of the academics (along wth the coaches).  I've said it a million times on this board, but when it comes to recruiting, facilities aren't everything.  We are THE George Washington University. We're a good school, 4 blocks from the White House in DC (not in dumpy Tallahassee). It's a great place to go to college and I've long thought part of the recruiting key is finding kids who get that, like this kid.  Remember that other link about him winning an essay contest about what he would do if he were an elected official?  Clearly the kid has a head on his shoulders.  We'll see how it ends up on the court for him, but I hope this becomes an object lesson in how to recruit.

KH tells everyone he recruits that they will get minutes because in the beginning, everyone does get minutes.  How they ultimately perform determines how many more minutes they will be receiving.  This is the benefit to playing lots of players (that, and that you can play a frenetic pace without tiring out 5-7 players).  Agree with FQ that I don't think KH would ever promise an incoming freshman a starting spot (unless it were painfully obvious that the player will be starting as a freshman, which it is not in Trey's case), but the more likely conversation was that the incumbent is a senior and you (Trey) will have a legitimate chance to become a starter as a sophomore.

GW doesn't play traditonal positions very much.  Often we run one guy down low and 4 guys on the wing on offense.  Last year TT play 1/2 as a PG and 1/2 as an off guard.  If Trey adjusts to the college game quickly he'll play a lot.  Like always Hobbs will try a bunch of combinations in practice and early on in the season.  Starters will get determined there.  There's no reason why TT, Trey, Lasan couldn't all start.

I have no doubt Hobbs guaranteed him minutes.  I just hope he didn't guarantee him a starting spot.  I have no idea if he did...or even if the kid expects it.  The author used the word "aspirations."  No qualms here- just noticed it and thought it was worth the discussion.

As MV said, everyone comming to GW expects significant minutes from the start.  That includes Bynes, Mikic, Guest, Fitzgerald and the Davis brothers.  No doubt all the new recruits next year will be expecting to play right away as well. 

Bobo's comment made me realize something. It seems to me that it's shockingly rare for a team to have two players at the same time with the same last name and no relation.

Speaking of Presidents besides Woodrow Wilson his high school coach is named Washington.

Thanks for the explanation thinker.  If this is who GW wants, I hope GW gets him.  It would be interesting to see the next years' recruits if GW gets Copes, Davis, and Davis.  Do they still go after Lewis, to have two solid PG's for the next 3 years?  Do they start recruiting more shooters?  more wings?  if this recruiting class is as good as those in the know say it is, it will be fun to watch the group develop, and see who develops under them.

Assuming all of the recruits live up to expectations, I would assume the #1 order of business would be some more frontcourt depth. Maybe Donovan Jack.