Howard Washingtonpoint guard - 6-2

By: BM (5,673 posts) - 2/20/2014 10:59:06 AM

2016 PG.  AAU:  Albany City Rocks.

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By: BM (5,673 posts) - 5/4/2014 9:46:38 AM

Corey Evans @coreyevans_10

George Washington has offered 2016 Albany City Rocks guard Howard Washington

By: BM (5,673 posts) - 5/4/2014 9:53:08 AM

Four star for Scout & Rivals.


Corey Evans

Always been a big fan of 2016 City Rocks guard Howard Washington. Seems a bit taller. Love room for growth within his game

Fun to watch Howard Washington develop and mature physically. Hes a ballplayer. No question. Composure beyond yrs

Big fan of Howard Washington. 6'3 and still growing. High end grades. Quality demeanor. Big time upside in 2016 http://t.co/W58I1i94wH

2016 Howard Washington lists offers from boston u, bc, uva, vtech, siena,buffalo, canisius, ohio, dayton, St. Bonaventure, & Charlotte

All I gotta say is I compared Howard Washington to Michael Carter-Williams a year ago. Told me tonight, could grow to 6'5. Oh,boy!

By: BM (5,673 posts) - 6/4/2014 3:52:22 PM

Rival$

Ranked #50 in Rivals 2016 class.  'Cuse and Ohio State now sniffing around.  AAU tea used to be coached by Coach Carm, but he may have moved beyond reach.

By: Florida Colonial (562 posts) - 7/18/2014 7:33:28 PM

Alex Kline @TheRecruitScoop · 55m

2016 Canisius (NY) PG Howard Washington will transfer to Montverde Academy (FL) for his junior year. First reported by @ebosshoops.

By: Florida Colonial (562 posts) - 7/18/2014 7:45:31 PM

Alex Kline @TheRecruitScoop · 55m

2016 Canisius (NY) PG Howard Washington will transfer to Montverde Academy (FL) for his junior year. First reported by @ebosshoops.

By: BM (5,673 posts) - 8/15/2014 9:06:12 AM

Stats from ongoing FIBA U17

By: bobo (3,178 posts) - 8/15/2014 10:09:18 AM

SO many Upperstate NY recruits these days.  Who's GW's connection up there? I guess Coach Carmen is primary but some recruits came before Carm was hired.  M Joseph is from Canada but his brother is a big shot at Syracuse.  Maybe he has some AAU connections arouund there too.

By: Colonial NY (95 posts) - 6/30/2015 1:29:26 PM

Alex Kline ‏@TheRecruitScoop  4m4 minutes ago

2016 Albany City Rocks (NY) guard Howard Washington Jr. will make his college decision later today.

By: BM (5,673 posts) - 6/30/2015 1:56:20 PM

Not much/any GW chatter recently.  Visited Butler last weekend.

By: The Dude (529 posts) - 6/30/2015 1:59:27 PM

These are the types of things that built up Alex Kline's reputation, so when he says we're interested in Zabo, I tend to believe that's true.  When an anonymous poster says otherwise, I still believe Kline's right because I have no reason to believe the anonymous poster has better info.

Howard Washington will make his decision today, and there's a decent change that decision will be GW, with his Montverde and City Rocks background, although it appears Butler might be the frontrunner.

By: Bigfan (2,829 posts) - 6/30/2015 2:42:29 PM

Doesn't Butler have a point guard named Kethan Savage who will be starting at his clearly preferred position in 2017?

By: NewGWFan (510 posts) - 6/30/2015 2:47:00 PM

+1 Bigfan.

I'd be delighted to see Washington choose GW.

By: MG'14 (310 posts) - 6/30/2015 2:55:55 PM

Many predictions have him going to Butler

By: Colonial NY (95 posts) - 6/30/2015 3:31:44 PM

Going to Butler as predicted.

By: MG'14 (310 posts) - 6/30/2015 3:32:08 PM

That last post was me. Sorry for the mixup

By: The Dude (529 posts) - 6/30/2015 3:33:00 PM

Would be a big get for us.   Haha is that sarcasm? Butler has two Guards, Tyler Lewis/Kethan at PG/2G actually but they will both be graduating at the end of 2016/17. 

This guy appears to be headed likely to Butler but we'll find out soon. We've got a lotta darts of this caliber to throw at the board.

By: BACCAS92 (705 posts) - 6/30/2015 4:00:44 PM

Confirmed Butler.  I guess Savage told him come to Butler directly, just skip the GW stop. 

By: Free Quebec (6,340 posts) - 6/30/2015 4:01:05 PM

Bad news for Kethan. That means even less time at the point. 

I'm sure he will do well at Butler as a combo guard (and the redshirt year could really help him play better with the injury an extra year behind him), but he's going to get even less time at the point than he would have if he had just stayed here this year. 

 

 

 

By: The MV (4,915 posts) - 6/30/2015 4:08:43 PM

I believe Lewis has 3 years left.  So, Washington will be his likely understudy for two years.  We are also fairly crowded with Paul, Jaren and Jordan (and possibly Matt Hart) all primed to play significant minutes in 2016-17.

By: The Dude (529 posts) - 6/30/2015 4:24:24 PM

Kethan is a proven commodity, this guy will be an incoming 18 y/o Freshman and Kethan will be an seasoned 23 year old starter. Kethan is going to play 1 year and start at the 2G for Butler with Lewis at the point.

MV, after sitting out last season and playing two for NC State, Ty Lewis will be a Jr this year MV and a SR in 2016/17, he graduates with KS after 16/17. Both guys will be gone by the time Howard Washington is a Soph.

Jaren Sina, is going to get minutes no doubt, but with all due respect to our other guys, they are not yet scaring off 4 star recruits.

 

By: The MV (4,915 posts) - 6/30/2015 4:47:31 PM

My mistake Dude.  Thought he had only played at NC State for one season but he was there for two.

By: Mike K (1,177 posts) - 7/1/2015 7:15:19 AM

"playing a lot, playing right away" http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/2015/06/30/point-guard-recruit-howard-washington-picks-butler/29525287/

By: Long Suffering Fan (4,106 posts) - 7/1/2015 8:49:32 AM

"For 2016-17, the Bulldogs could potentially play Washington and Tyler Lewis, a former McDonald's All American point guard, in the same backcourt."  But wait...didn't they just get a transfer who is also a back court player who left his old school because...nah.  

By: Thomas (1,146 posts) - 7/1/2015 9:12:52 AM

LSF, maybe Butler will run an innovative '3 Point Guard Offense' in 2016-2017 and that A-10 transer will still get his wish of playing point guard. HA!

By: The MV (4,915 posts) - 7/1/2015 9:37:59 AM

Another move that severely calls into question the veracity of Kethan's claim of leaving in order to receive a greater chance of playing point guard.  Please don't argue that Kethan made his decision before Washington did because Kethan had to have done enough homework to have known that Butler was interested in and close to landing Washington.  Plus, there is the presence of Tyler Lewis who will likely start at point guard for Butler the next two seasons.  In short, if gaining experience at the point was so important to Kethan, aren't there lots of better places he could have landed, not necessarily better programs, but programs where he would have had a far better opportunity to gain substantial minutes at the point?

 

By: Rich Maier (17 posts) - 7/1/2015 9:54:59 AM

let's stop talking about someone who has left the program. it serves no purpose for the vast majority on the board.

By: Free Quebec (6,340 posts) - 7/1/2015 10:01:48 AM

Rich, please skip this post. You won't like it.

MV, my understanding is that Kethan did, in fact, leave because he wanted to play PG.  But once he started exploring the transfer market, he found out quickly that no BCS team was going to promise him the starting PG spot he thought he could get, so he just settled for Butler becuase they needed guards in general.  He'll get to handle the ball some and show off his skills so if he plays well, perhaps it's helps him land a pro contract somwhere. 

 

 

By: Bo Knows (705 posts) - 7/1/2015 10:05:52 AM

MV, did you ever stop to think that Savage might think he is better than those players (not saying that's the case) even assuming thast he had a crystal ball and could forecast Washington going to Butler? Did you ever think that Savage might have told ML he wanted to play point at GW (looking at what else was here) and when told no promises he shopped around and later found his options at point to be limited? He then decided to go to Butler with maybe a promise that he would back-up Lewis and start at the 2G. What these kids believe to be true at the time they speak and what is actually eventually true might be two different things. This signing has likely nothing to do with the veracity of what Savage said then. Things change including the Washington commitment which Savage could not have factored in. The AAU guys are all confirming that Savage left for his stated reasons because he wants a shot at the pros. Don't know why they wouldn't say otherwise if it wasn't true. Stop trying to generate controversy here with nothing more than idle speculation. This a dead issue to most here. We've moved on and I hope you will too.

By: The MV (4,915 posts) - 7/1/2015 10:30:43 AM

1. So it had to be at a BCS program that Kethan had to have an opportunity to play point guard at?  That's a ridiculous goal coming from a non-BCS school.  If Kethan really wanted to show pro scouts that he has point guard skills, there would have likely been 100 or so D1 programs who would have afforded him an opportunity.  Remember Jerelle Benimon?  Transferred from Georgetown to Towson and parlayed that experience to the D-League where he averaged just under 20 points a game this past season. 

2. Do I foresee Ty Lewis leaving NC State, sitting out a year, starting at point guard in 2015-16, and then losing his starting point guard job during his final season to Kethan, even if Kethan is a better player?  No, I absolutely do not see this happening.

3. Put your crystal ball away Bo.  If Kethan didn't do any due diligence before commiting to Butler and failed to find out that Butler was very interested in a very talented high school point guard who looks ready to play right away, creating an even further logjam at the point, then that's on him.  The "he couldn't have possibly known that Washington was coming" argument is entirely bogus.  He needed to know and should have known that this was a very strong and realistic possibility.

4. Please don't tell me what to bring up or not to bring up here, particularly when the discussion deals with basketball..  My post was timely in that Washington just verbaled.

By: Poster (5 posts) - 7/1/2015 12:04:12 PM

So let's see MV, in your world Butler should stop recruiting guards because Kethan would be there for 1 year???? Of course, Savage knew they would continue recruiting. It would be the same at GW. If ML found a guard that was better than Kethan on Day 1, Kethan would be on the bench. Sorry, that's the way of college basketball. At the time Savage signed there was no guarantee that Washington would commit to Butler. BTW, who says that Washington is better than Savage? That remains to be seen.

I never underestimate your ability to take the reasonable into the ridiculous. Thanks for proving me right yet again!

By: Bo Knows (705 posts) - 7/1/2015 12:04:43 PM

That last post was from me.

By: The MV (4,915 posts) - 7/1/2015 12:22:47 PM

Bo, maybe you could try just a little bit harder not to be so absurd.  Did I say that Butler should have stopped recruiting guards because they had signed Kethan?  Of course I didn't, and they obviously shouldn't.  It's Kethan who was likely misguided here, not Butler.  And I say this only from the standpoint that if Kethan's primary goal and reason for leaving GW is to develop his point guard skills, he has picked a dubious place to do this at, with an ACC transfer and now a 4 star high school prospect presumably in his way.  He could have gone to dozens of lesser programs and played 30+ minutes a game as a starting point guard.  On the other hand, if his primary goal was to play at a program with a better chance of advancing further in the NCAA tournament, then he arguably made a fine choice.

 

By: Buff (24 posts) - 7/1/2015 12:27:36 PM

I believe that Savage told ML he wanted to play PG full time is true.  Maybe he didn't want to come out and say "you don't like me and I don't like you" as the reason.  According to ML's best buds on the board, ML didn't like coaching Kethan, and according to Thinker (AKA Knowing all things Kethan) Kethan didn't like playing for ML.  The PG full time excuse was the best angle for all involved.  I am sure he weighed the option of going to a non power conferece school and playing PG versus SG for a power conference school.  Butler will have a shortage of guards with college level experience after the departure of Dunham and Jones. They probably see Savage more of a Dunham/Jones hybrid.

Butler is building for the future.  They would have been crazy not to go out and get a PG.  I think that the style of basketball that Butler is trying to transition to is more uptempo with big athletic guards, why they went after Savage and Washington.    I can't see Tyler Lewis walking/jogging the ball up the floor which probably was pretty high up on the reason list too for him leaving GW.

By: thinker (2,825 posts) - 7/1/2015 1:17:29 PM

More and more I'm at the place where lots of transfers is just what college basketball is about now. GW has 5 transfers on the roster now (Cavanaugh, Mitola, Sina, McCoy, and Hart) and is actively seeking a 6th. ML has also had Armwood, Creek, White (was he a transfer?), and Bull transfer to GW. He's had Davis, Paris, Lasan, Pellom, Guest, Fitzgerald, Bryant, Griffin, and Savage transfer out. Apologies if I missed anyone.

I just saw that the overall transfer list for this year is now over 700.

So transfering is about a routine of event now as anything. Kids choose their first school for whatever reasons and things often don't work out. Then they choose their second school and often things don't work out again. And I've been particularly impressed by the fact that kids very often don't think things through that carefully before making their choices. After all, they're kids. So this is my final line on Savage -

He came to GW and things didn't play out exactly to his liking and so he decided to go somewhere else which he hoped would work better for him. The new place may or may not end up being better for him. All parties will be fine as they have to learned to cope with reshuffling the deck almost every year now.

By: MOCO Observer (50 posts) - 7/1/2015 1:35:50 PM

Thinker the growth in transfers has to largely with recruiting mistakes which are growing due to the NCAA limitations placed on the times you can see a player play. Sometimes players are offered where the staff has NEVER seen them play. I've seen kids offered on the spot where one game has been watched. I can tell you at another college high school team camp I recently attended, an asistant coach asked me about what players he should look at from a couple of teams I am very familiar with. I gave him a list of names and by the end of the day, 2 of those kids were offered. While I believe those were sound offers I couldn't believe it happened so quickly based on watching a game or two against what I would deem to be lesser high school competition. Recruiting generally is becoming more of a game of blind darts and the results are beginning to show.

By: BC (1,645 posts) - 7/1/2015 1:56:59 PM

Herve, I suppose you know that sometimes other Posters Names are incorrectly listed in the Poster ID box.    Murphy's Law says that there's always one more bug. Or perhaps it's an unannounced feature. 

I'm thinking about adding another Pissing Match thread for this some of the posters to continue their arguments in or on.

By: thinker (2,825 posts) - 7/1/2015 2:10:40 PM

MOCO Observer,

That's a VERY interesting point. That's definitely going to adjust my thinking about recruiting going forward. So now I'm really curious about how many times a GW coach actually saw some of our recruits play in person - especially the out of town ones like Yuta, Cimino, Paul, Roland, or Smith for example.

By: The Dude (529 posts) - 7/1/2015 2:22:19 PM

This has been an interesting and largely fact based debate to read with varying viewpoints and people making and supporting their arguments.  Stop saying that anytime that happens its a pissing match.  That's what you have to add to the board? 

The Board has been dead for days, it shows signs of a heartbeat, I say let the patient breathe before the 1 heir named in the will wants to pull the plug.

By: BC (1,645 posts) - 7/1/2015 2:40:13 PM

The Dude, Some of the posts have been interesting.  Some are just rehashing of arguments posted in other threads.   People who argue about what Kethan was thinking are living in a dream world.  KS probably couldn't tell you what he was thinking.    Because it probably changed from day to day.   But we certainly know what you're thinking, over and over and over again.

By: The MV (4,915 posts) - 7/1/2015 3:02:41 PM

BC, this isn't about figuring out what KS was thinking.  This is about a debate where certain people felt that both ML and KS said he was leaving GW for no other reason than so he may have a greater opportunity to play point guard while others felt that this simply didn't make sense on its own and that there had to be more to the story.  I'll certainly stand behind my opinion that there would have been many better choices for KS to develop into a fulltime point guard than Butler.  The Washington verbal simply adds to this opinion.

As for the negativity, simply don't participate in the discussion if you feel there's no point to it.  If we really wanted to, can't we extend this "pointlessness" to almost every thread on this site?  Why do we discuss recruits who haven't even committed to GW?  Why not wait until the schedule comes out before discussing it?  Why should Georgetown play us when they're not about to?  Why offer opinions about who deserves playing time when the coach decides this anyway?  Who cares what YOU think about the tempo we play or the 1-3-1 or our effectiveness at breaking presses?  Aren't all of these questions or topics pointless?

The answer is no because this is a message board where opinions and reasonable debates should be welcomed and encouraged.

 

By: Bo Knows (705 posts) - 7/1/2015 3:12:39 PM

MV, no one is debating that there may have been better spots for KS to develop into a point guard. What we are debating is whether the Washington commitment has any bearing retrspectively on the stated reasons for KS' departure. Given that KS could not have possibly known whether Washington would commit to Butler or whether Butler would be bringing in any particular player/position, I think the Washington commitment lends nothing to the argument (i.e if you believed or didn't believe KS at the time you have neither helped or hurt your cause).

By: Thomas (1,146 posts) - 7/1/2015 3:25:08 PM

MOCO Observer, that's a great story, thanks for sharing!! What you wrote will adjust how I look at recruiting also because you always think that a coaching staff leaves no stone unturned when it comes to who they offer a scholarship too. I would've never imagined that you'd see that level of carelessnesss from a coaching staff, but with the increased number of transfers we see each year, finding replacements for recruiting misses isn't too much of a burden.

The MV,  I believe Benimon had a few stints in the NBA this past season.

By: The MV (4,915 posts) - 7/1/2015 3:35:44 PM

No Bo, wrong.  The crux of this debate has always been whether KS left for solely the reason that he and ML stated (he wanted a better opportunity to play PG than he was going to receive at GW) or whether there was more to the story than this.  Your position was very clear...if ML said that this was the reason, then this was the reason.  Period.  And I (among others) disagree.  I agree with Buff that KS did likely say something to ML so the PG issue isn't a fabricated one.  But, I also feel that KS and ML had a very bad relationship, something that neither would or should admit publicly but a very real factor nevertheless.  FWIW, as a general rule, I think that whenever you have a player who has to sit out a year with only one year of eligibility left due to transfering, I can all but guarantee that the player is dying to get out of Dodge. 

By: yawle (244 posts) - 7/1/2015 3:43:03 PM

so did GW sign High Jack Thread or not?

By: The Dude (529 posts) - 7/1/2015 3:58:49 PM

Agree with MV and Buff here on multiple points.  I think they sum up the KS situation well, but a lot of good comments from different angles! More of this is what the board should encourage, not discourage! Good reading and interesting & competing analysis.

I'm personally puzzled anyone wouldn't come to this conclusion: (but if you don't, I'm interested to read why you don't, that's the point of a message board!) 

"I believe that Savage told ML he wanted to play PG full time is true.  Maybe he didn't want to come out and say "you don't like me and I don't like you" as the reason. The PG full time excuse was the best angle for all involved."

 

By: The MV (4,915 posts) - 7/1/2015 4:04:29 PM

Thomas, that's good to know about Benimon.  Further illustrates the point...he was not going to the NBA playing 10 minutes a game at Gtown, but he really had an opportunity to showcase his skills at Towson. 

By: Bo Knows (705 posts) - 7/1/2015 4:08:26 PM

So let me get this straight MV and others ... KS tells ML straight up he is leaving because he wants an opportunity to play PG (but KS really wasn't telling ML the truth). So when GW says KS says he is leaving for an opportunity to play PG, ML wasn't telling the truth (as was claimed here multiple times). Yup, ok. Got it. 

By: thinker (2,825 posts) - 7/1/2015 6:00:26 PM

It's hard for me to imagine that there would hardly ever be a case where someone transfered for absolutely only ONE reason. Did anyone ever have a boyfriend or girlfriend break up with them and be confident that they got the completely full and correct reaason(s)? Once a person decides to leave they may not be that intrigued with hashing the whole relationship out - because what's the point?

So do I believe that Savage said that was the reason? Sure. Do I believe that was the only reason? No. Do I believe anyone Savage or ML is going to go into a bunch of other things when that answer is good enough? No.

To me that's just basic common sense.

By: The MV (4,915 posts) - 7/1/2015 6:09:20 PM

Yes, Thinker has it right.  Bo, please read Thinker's last post and let me know if you agree with this.  Because a few months ago, you didn't.

By: BC (1,645 posts) - 7/1/2015 8:40:56 PM

See, same old discussion, rehashed.

By: thinker (2,825 posts) - 7/1/2015 11:01:36 PM

BC,

If each post has to consist entirely of new never before stated views, then your last post would violate that edict too. :)

By: The Dude (529 posts) - 7/1/2015 11:39:40 PM

If you have an issue with people discussing GW hoops (even sometimes ad naseum discussions) you could always just not read them.  Its a silly complaint, but worse yet, was the characterization of what was an interesting and civil discussion as a pissing match, which if memory holds, its always you pushing and creating that idea.

Why do I bother to write this? Because a lot of people I would wager had the reaction I did today, during a busy day I took a moment to read what everyone else had written on that thread and thought, wow, interesting and civil disussion, good differing viewpoints.  Yet, if one or a few guys keeps discouraging even the slightest bit of back and forth discussion (what do you want, just people posting and never responding to anyone?) that serves to make an even quieter board, quieter.  So while silly, its not entirely harmless this griping, if unaddressed.

As MV said, if you don't like the thread don't read it, takes a lot more effort to gripe about it.  Or give it an actual read, it was some of the more interesting discussion this board has seen for many days!

By: The Other MG (69 posts) - 7/2/2015 12:13:26 AM

I think the thread is relatively interesting, although I think I've read this somewhere before.  My spin/question on the general topic is: Are you rooting for Kethan to do well, because he was a GW player, and that might be an indirect reflection on GW, or do you root against him, because you are pissed off at him for being "selfish" and messing with our hopes for next season?

For the record, I'm rooting for him to do well, just like I'm rooting for Skyler, Paris, and the more recent transfers when they play next year.

By: The Dude (529 posts) - 7/2/2015 12:25:06 AM

Interesting question The Other MG.  I'll be rooting for him of course, but I'd root for any former GW player, as I would take it most here would? Except under the rarest of circumstances, perhaps.  Why would anyone root against a GW player absent egregious circumstances?

Was anyone anything but thrilled to see Lasan on the court in big minutes helping UCONN win a national title?

By: BACCAS92 (705 posts) - 7/2/2015 12:49:22 AM

So anyway on to more important question--where is Coach Carm's Northern NY Recruiting Pipeline?  We have offered half of Albany, Syracuse, Ithaca, etc  I think we even hit the border control guard and the guy that drives the boat in Niagra Falls where you have to wear a rain coat. 
 

By: The Dude (529 posts) - 7/2/2015 1:02:11 AM

While up there we even went scouring for Prison escapees Richard Matt and David Sweat.  When asked by members of the public what Sweat looked like the police issued the following description "Like most recent typical GW basketball signees" 

Also, not much height to offer it seems, but at least one of them was a pretty good runner, showed some endurance and elusiveness, range:

 

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2451008-ranking-the-best-college-basketball-players-sitting-out-the-2015-16-season/page/11 (Includes Kethan Savage)

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