Board

Mikic graduates in 3 years (via @gw_mbb twitter)
Replies: 2

5/19/2013 4:36:00 PM
cagwu

RECRUIT: ANTHONY SWAN
Replies: 50

5/19/2013 2:27:44 PM
BM

RECRUIT: BYRON HAWKINS
Replies: 11

5/19/2013 1:05:54 PM
herve

Oct 4, 2014
Replies: 7

5/19/2013 10:22:56 AM
Tuna Can

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/18/2013
Replies: 0

5/18/2013 10:51:22 PM
herve

Superstar added to Lonergan's facebook!
Replies: 3

5/18/2013 8:51:20 PM
Martiniboy

Why Next Year Is Pretty Darn Critical
Replies: 23

5/18/2013 6:04:37 PM
The MV

OT: Bo Jackson
Replies: 6

5/18/2013 5:41:01 PM
herve

RECRUIT: DEVIN ROBINSON
Replies: 6

5/18/2013 2:34:02 PM
BM

another possible transfer (immediately eligible)
Replies: 37

5/18/2013 12:33:07 PM
Florida Colonial

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/17/2013
Replies: 0

5/17/2013 10:51:22 PM
herve

David Pellom to Memphis
Replies: 42

5/17/2013 5:56:08 PM
donte

OOC Schedule Thread
Replies: 14

5/17/2013 12:40:55 PM
BM

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/16/2013
Replies: 0

5/16/2013 10:51:36 PM
herve

Several GW Women Get Another Year to Play
Replies: 5

5/16/2013 5:22:16 PM
ziik

George makes some headlines
Replies: 2

5/16/2013 11:05:09 AM
BM

Big George trying to get into Captain America 2
Replies: 0

5/16/2013 11:03:59 AM
squid

SJT -- Not a Bad Guy at All
Replies: 48

5/16/2013 10:51:33 AM
Tuna Can

Quick Question: Outstanding Offers
Replies: 7

5/16/2013 10:19:58 AM
wax daddy

what we know so far
Replies: 5

5/16/2013 8:40:31 AM
formerly boston pops

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/15/2013
Replies: 0

5/15/2013 10:51:58 PM
herve

could they boot us out of barclays?
Replies: 5

5/15/2013 10:03:01 PM
tk

RECRUIT: ANTON WATERS
Replies: 4

5/15/2013 9:37:20 AM
BM

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/14/2013
Replies: 0

5/14/2013 10:51:35 PM
herve

RECRUIT: TYLER NELSON
Replies: 8

5/14/2013 9:18:04 PM
BM

RECRUIT: DOMINIQUE BULL
Replies: 80

5/14/2013 4:47:57 PM
BM

Who is Lionel Coleman
Replies: 1

5/14/2013 4:47:43 PM
Phil_Raw_

SJT and Left Coast
Replies: 0

5/14/2013 10:36:58 AM
kdb sand diego

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/13/2013
Replies: 0

5/13/2013 10:52:29 PM
herve

RECRUIT: SANDY COHEN
Replies: 34

5/13/2013 9:25:10 PM
Florida Colonial

RECRUIT: ANTHONY SWAN
Replies: 0

5/13/2013 4:51:10 PM
GCLY89

Rutgers Can't Catch a Break ...
Replies: 12

5/13/2013 4:41:57 PM
The Eagle Has Landed

RYAN MCCOY
Replies: 58

5/13/2013 4:16:10 PM
ATL Colonial

RECRUIT: RYAN LUTHER
Replies: 1

5/13/2013 2:17:37 PM
BM

for those of you looking for new digs....
Replies: 2

5/13/2013 12:59:03 PM
herve

RECRUIT: MIKE WILLIAMS
Replies: 7

5/13/2013 9:57:07 AM
BM

RECRUIT: CJ KEYSER
Replies: 1

5/13/2013 9:18:37 AM
BM

New Team
Replies: 0

5/13/2013 8:37:54 AM
Spotter

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/12/2013
Replies: 0

5/12/2013 10:51:35 PM
herve

Happy Mother's Day-Mrs. Tallent,
Replies: 2

5/12/2013 10:19:02 PM
ziik

UVA Transfer-Paul Jesperson
Replies: 16

5/12/2013 9:54:08 PM
bam

"RECRUITS" tab currently broken, but NOTHING has been lost. will fix ASAP. sorry. nt
Replies: 6

5/12/2013 7:34:40 PM
herve

It's Lonergan
Replies: 99

5/11/2013 11:44:39 PM


gwhoops.com Digest - 5/11/2013
Replies: 0

5/11/2013 10:51:36 PM
herve

GW about to Rope in another A10 Sport--Now back to your regularly scheduled angst
Replies: 17

5/11/2013 4:50:39 PM
Tuna Can

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/10/2013
Replies: 0

5/10/2013 10:51:32 PM
herve

Kromah to transfer
Replies: 119

5/10/2013 5:00:46 PM
Abe

RECRUIT: BONZIE COLSON
Replies: 8

5/10/2013 3:57:24 PM
BM

RECRUIT: ISIAH TRIPP
Replies: 5

5/10/2013 2:21:41 PM
BM

RECRUIT: JAMAL ROBINSON
Replies: 5

5/10/2013 8:43:41 AM
BM

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/9/2013
Replies: 0

5/9/2013 10:51:28 PM
herve

Ryan McCoy from Manhattan?
Replies: 0

5/9/2013 4:45:47 PM
Steven

Maurice Creek transferring from Indiana
Replies: 26

5/9/2013 4:15:39 PM
GCLY89

RECRUIT: ALSTON THOMPSON
Replies: 0

5/9/2013 10:16:06 AM
BM

RECRUIT: TRE CAMPBELL
Replies: 18

5/9/2013 9:02:37 AM
BM

Davidson to the A-10
Replies: 20

5/9/2013 6:17:07 AM
gonzo

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/8/2013
Replies: 0

5/8/2013 10:52:06 PM
herve

Lonergan In Lithuania
Replies: 52

5/8/2013 5:16:27 PM
Don't Quote Me

Does the name Marcus Joseph ring a bell?
Replies: 6

5/8/2013 12:29:26 AM
GW0811

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/7/2013
Replies: 0

5/7/2013 10:51:27 PM
herve

Another recruit lost
Replies: 3

5/7/2013 6:38:50 PM
Florida Colonial

Where Winners Migrate?
Replies: 0

5/7/2013 2:42:20 PM
Dootie Bubble

Another recruit lost
Replies: 6

5/7/2013 1:44:12 PM
Florida Colonial

Taking all the fun and mystery out of Herve's other passion...
Replies: 7

5/7/2013 1:27:37 PM
FLA

D-league action
Replies: 4

5/7/2013 1:00:27 PM
The MV

Kevin Larsen's military service
Replies: 9

5/7/2013 8:41:37 AM
GW0811

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/6/2013
Replies: 0

5/6/2013 10:52:14 PM
herve

RECRUIT: MAURICE CREEK
Replies: 13

5/6/2013 5:27:58 PM
BM

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/5/2013
Replies: 0

5/5/2013 10:52:15 PM
herve

I. Am. So. Shocked.
Replies: 1

5/5/2013 7:40:58 PM
herve

Travon Landry
Replies: 1

5/5/2013 6:29:00 PM
Tennessee Colonial

RECRUIT: JJ EPPS
Replies: 4

5/5/2013 7:56:04 AM
BM

Tweet About Larsen
Replies: 1

5/5/2013 7:15:27 AM
CT Colonial

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/4/2013
Replies: 0

5/4/2013 10:51:35 PM
herve

RECRUIT: JUSTIN EDWARDS
Replies: 9

5/4/2013 3:39:49 PM
BM

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/3/2013
Replies: 0

5/3/2013 10:52:01 PM
herve

Does Lonergan...???
Replies: 6

5/3/2013 7:58:13 PM
GDUB4

Not basketball, but let's help Georgetown
Replies: 28

5/3/2013 7:03:53 PM
squid

RECRUIT: JULIAN DEBOSE
Replies: 11

5/3/2013 5:49:47 PM
BM

Real Basketball Shit--BM's guard minute projections on a Creek signing and no others
Replies: 15

5/3/2013 2:11:40 PM
Tuna Can

RECRUIT: PAUL JORGENSEN
Replies: 9

5/3/2013 10:22:20 AM
Florida Colonial

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/2/2013
Replies: 0

5/2/2013 10:51:33 PM
herve

gwhoops.com Digest - 5/1/2013
Replies: 0

5/1/2013 10:51:34 PM
herve

Eli Carter gets his release from Rutgers
Replies: 9

5/1/2013 8:06:29 PM
DEA

RECRUIT: GABE LEVIN
Replies: 74

5/1/2013 6:43:28 PM
BM

Transfer list
Replies: 16

5/1/2013 3:33:59 PM
BM

GW Med School (OT)
Replies: 3

5/1/2013 1:04:46 PM
NJ Colonial

ML should stop off in Russia and pick up a new assistant
Replies: 0

5/1/2013 12:39:40 PM
george the hippo hunter

RECRUIT: ROBERT CARTWRIGHT
Replies: 2

5/1/2013 8:57:38 AM
mike K

Mark Schlabach
Replies: 1

5/1/2013 3:45:17 AM
Dootie Bubble

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/30/2013
Replies: 0

4/30/2013 10:51:25 PM
herve

RECRUIT: CHANCELLOR BARNARD
Replies: 2

4/30/2013 9:15:30 AM
BM

RECRUIT: LENNARD FREEMAN
Replies: 40

4/30/2013 7:36:37 AM
Mike K

Ms. Traynor-In her Own Words
Replies: 17

4/30/2013 4:48:51 AM
ziik

RECRUIT: MIKAL BRIDGES
Replies: 5

4/29/2013 10:55:25 PM
Florida Colonial

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/29/2013
Replies: 0

4/29/2013 10:52:55 PM
herve

RECRUIT: BRADY ELLINGSON
Replies: 2

4/29/2013 8:22:36 PM
Florida Colonial

Roster for next season on 4/26 (this thread is actually about the NY Jets)
Replies: 25

4/29/2013 4:05:24 PM
GDub4

RECRUIT: MARTIN GEBEN
Replies: 30

4/29/2013 11:08:13 AM
Florida Colonial

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/28/2013
Replies: 0

4/28/2013 10:53:18 PM
herve

Men's Tennis Tied 3-3 in A-10 Finals
Replies: 2

4/28/2013 1:33:31 PM
the sons of liberty

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/27/2013
Replies: 0

4/27/2013 10:51:29 PM
herve

EYBL
Replies: 0

4/27/2013 11:29:07 AM
GW Fan

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/26/2013
Replies: 0

4/26/2013 10:51:35 PM
herve

International Assistant Coach
Replies: 4

4/26/2013 8:16:22 PM
LA Fan

"George Mason president delivers new vision" (WaPo)
Replies: 1

4/26/2013 5:05:15 PM
herve

RECRUIT: MARQUIS WRIGHT
Replies: 35

4/26/2013 2:20:19 PM
BM

RECRUIT: MIGUEL CARTAGENA
Replies: 63

4/26/2013 11:23:07 AM
JamonRye

RECRUIT: LAVON LONG
Replies: 13

4/26/2013 10:20:35 AM
BM

Hope you are happy with your purchase Herve!
Replies: 1

4/26/2013 7:07:31 AM
GW Alum Abroad

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/25/2013
Replies: 0

4/25/2013 10:51:32 PM
herve

International Assistant Coach
Replies: 0

4/25/2013 3:07:12 PM
LA Fan

Jabari Hinds WVA
Replies: 2

4/25/2013 11:15:59 AM
DEA

Why did we honor David pellom as a graduating senior
Replies: 8

4/25/2013 9:35:01 AM
Neil

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/24/2013
Replies: 0

4/24/2013 10:51:27 PM
herve

RECRUIT: RASHARD KELLY
Replies: 8

4/24/2013 8:37:48 PM
Florida Colonial

Give mike the benefit. He is making close to president knapp. He will not f@@k it up like kh did.
Replies: 5

4/24/2013 8:14:18 PM
Neil

10-21
Replies: 7

4/24/2013 1:13:07 PM
What?

30 second shot clock?
Replies: 9

4/24/2013 9:26:56 AM
GW Fan

RECRUIT: ERIC CARTER
Replies: 0

4/24/2013 8:56:58 AM
BM

another 1 that got away-Mark Williams
Replies: 3

4/24/2013 5:09:44 AM
GDUB4

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/23/2013
Replies: 0

4/23/2013 10:51:24 PM
herve

RECRUIT: SANDY COHEN
Replies: 0

4/23/2013 9:15:06 PM
Florida Colonial

Cap Classic Rosters
Replies: 4

4/23/2013 8:42:09 PM
BM

Dooley to Florida Gulf Coast
Replies: 37

4/23/2013 10:30:55 AM
Poog

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/22/2013
Replies: 0

4/22/2013 10:52:28 PM
herve

The Non Nigel Johnson thread
Replies: 12

4/22/2013 10:03:47 PM
Florida Colonial

Phil Hochberg
Replies: 9

4/22/2013 5:30:23 PM
BM

Gun Control(OT)
Replies: 59

4/22/2013 9:10:47 AM
Steven

GW Baseball vs Fordham
Replies: 3

4/21/2013 11:12:02 PM
the sons of liberty

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/21/2013
Replies: 0

4/21/2013 10:51:23 PM
herve

RECRUIT: EVAN TAYLOR
Replies: 1

4/21/2013 10:53:01 AM
Mike K

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/20/2013
Replies: 0

4/20/2013 10:53:46 PM
herve

Official NLI announcement
Replies: 22

4/20/2013 7:53:38 PM
BM

RECRUIT: ANDRE WALKER
Replies: 4

4/20/2013 8:23:06 AM
BM

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/19/2013
Replies: 0

4/19/2013 10:54:11 PM
herve

RECRUIT: JOSH HEARLIHY
Replies: 21

4/19/2013 6:27:49 PM
BM

RECRUIT: ASHLEY WILLIAMS
Replies: 6

4/19/2013 5:40:55 PM
BM

Davidson on the verge of joining A-10
Replies: 20

4/19/2013 11:46:08 AM
GCLY89

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/18/2013
Replies: 0

4/18/2013 10:55:01 PM
herve

How many scholarships are left to give out?
Replies: 15

4/18/2013 12:57:59 PM
NewGWFan

For You TT "Haters"
Replies: 8

4/18/2013 12:48:47 PM
ziik

RECRUIT: Jerome Seagars
Replies: 39

4/18/2013 12:33:21 PM
BM

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/17/2013
Replies: 0

4/17/2013 11:40:22 PM
herve

Sutton Submits Name for Vacant FL Gulf Coast Head Job
Replies: 29

4/17/2013 8:00:08 PM
herve

Quevyn Winters and 4 others leaving Duquesne
Replies: 4

4/17/2013 3:52:49 PM
Free Quebec

If it Quacks Like a Duck ... (OT)
Replies: 2

4/17/2013 12:43:38 PM
Eugene

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/16/2013
Replies: 0

4/16/2013 10:51:37 PM
herve

RECRUIT: MARK WILLIAMS
Replies: 16

4/16/2013 9:49:32 AM
CPots

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/15/2013
Replies: 0

4/15/2013 10:58:45 PM
herve

RECRUIT: ANTHONY PATE
Replies: 0

4/15/2013 9:48:29 AM
BM

Recruit coming this weekend
Replies: 57

4/15/2013 2:48:11 AM
DEA

GW Washington Post Story
Replies: 19

4/15/2013 2:42:54 AM
LA Fan

More of This!
Replies: 1

4/15/2013 1:01:30 AM
BM

welcome Davidson!
Replies: 0

4/15/2013 12:57:39 AM
NJ Colonial

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/14/2013
Replies: 0

4/14/2013 10:57:07 PM
herve

Rutgers
Replies: 8

4/14/2013 2:18:37 PM
BM

Pellom granted release; Davis to transfer
Replies: 78

4/14/2013 12:11:40 AM
VB

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/13/2013
Replies: 0

4/13/2013 10:53:00 PM
herve

A possible guard target/transfer
Replies: 3

4/13/2013 8:04:03 PM
Florida Colonial

Hopefully We Will Get Some Recruiting News From This.
Replies: 0

4/13/2013 11:32:48 AM
Mike K

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/12/2013
Replies: 0

4/12/2013 10:53:43 PM
herve

Stadium Journey review of the Smith Center
Replies: 10

4/12/2013 1:19:17 PM
Long Suffering Fan

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/11/2013
Replies: 0

4/11/2013 10:53:47 PM
herve

Questions That Must Be Asked ...
Replies: 55

4/11/2013 10:22:20 AM
CBO

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/10/2013
Replies: 0

4/10/2013 10:55:52 PM
herve

Cross Jon Severe off the list
Replies: 2

4/10/2013 12:39:20 PM
GW21

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/9/2013
Replies: 0

4/9/2013 10:51:26 PM
herve

OT--Who Wins? Who Cares?
Replies: 7

4/9/2013 8:27:23 PM
ziik

coaching changes 2013
Replies: 0

4/9/2013 4:04:18 PM
GWSB '11

VCU pre-season #14
Replies: 2

4/9/2013 1:54:59 PM
herve

Play nice
Replies: 0

4/9/2013 11:54:08 AM
Old Prof

Who am I?
Replies: 8

4/9/2013 9:31:33 AM
Long Suffering Fan

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/8/2013
Replies: 0

4/8/2013 10:55:27 PM
herve

Did you all know this?
Replies: 13

4/8/2013 6:37:07 PM
BACCAS92

Hobbs & Mid-Major Coaches
Replies: 7

4/8/2013 10:45:31 AM
Wax Daddy

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/7/2013
Replies: 0

4/7/2013 10:51:46 PM
herve

Maybe we will recruit JUCOs
Replies: 5

4/7/2013 11:52:56 AM
Florida Colonial

Nick Griffin Third Team All-Met
Replies: 13

4/7/2013 10:00:05 AM
Yinka dont Stinka

Honestly! I can't leave the country for one second without you guys messing everything up! nt
Replies: 3

4/7/2013 8:13:40 AM
herve

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/6/2013
Replies: 0

4/6/2013 10:51:09 PM
herve

Maybe we will recruit JUCOs
Replies: 0

4/6/2013 7:32:02 AM
Florida Colonial

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/5/2013
Replies: 0

4/5/2013 10:53:17 PM
herve

Here's a good upper: Garino interview
Replies: 5

4/5/2013 4:14:31 AM
BM

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/4/2013
Replies: 0

4/4/2013 10:51:09 PM
herve

Lonergan got what he wanted
Replies: 69

4/4/2013 10:34:12 PM
Knew this was coming

Lehman with the Save
Replies: 0

4/4/2013 10:07:15 PM
Poog

RECRUIT: THERENCE MAYIMBA
Replies: 5

4/4/2013 9:26:39 PM
CPots

How Can You Blame Johnson????
Replies: 12

4/4/2013 8:34:53 PM
Levinger

Backup Point Guard
Replies: 29

4/4/2013 7:27:29 PM
bobo

Hoping the worst is behind us
Replies: 7

4/4/2013 2:56:07 PM
NewGWFan

Jamail JOnes
Replies: 4

4/4/2013 12:26:29 AM
DEA

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/3/2013
Replies: 0

4/3/2013 10:52:25 PM
herve

RECRUIT: JORDAN ABDURRAOOF
Replies: 9

4/3/2013 8:13:58 PM
Mike K

Random but infuriating
Replies: 9

4/3/2013 5:20:33 PM
Steven

Sounds weird but
Replies: 23

4/3/2013 4:43:11 PM
DEA

American University
Replies: 2

4/3/2013 3:20:41 PM
NewGWFan

Rutgers' fires their basketball coach
Replies: 2

4/3/2013 12:06:57 PM
neil

Some Good News Today [Baseball] PART II
Replies: 2

4/3/2013 9:55:35 AM
CJS Fan

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/2/2013
Replies: 0

4/2/2013 10:51:07 PM
herve

Lonergan friend headed to Siena
Replies: 5

4/2/2013 7:58:15 PM
Poog

some good news today
Replies: 6

4/2/2013 2:24:57 PM
the sons of liberty

Status heading into Spring Signing
Replies: 13

4/2/2013 11:10:08 AM
GDUB4

gwhoops.com Digest - 4/1/2013
Replies: 0

4/1/2013 10:51:46 PM
herve

scam or legit? (OT)
Replies: 2

4/1/2013 6:57:25 PM
GW Alum Abroad

Urban problems
Replies: 9

4/1/2013 6:07:11 PM
Dootie Bubble

gwhoops.com Digest - 3/31/2013
Replies: 0

3/31/2013 10:51:34 PM
herve

A hinderance to recruiting
Replies: 9

3/31/2013 9:33:44 PM
Steven

VCU
Replies: 1

3/31/2013 9:01:02 PM
SMF

gwhoops.com Digest - 3/30/2013
Replies: 0

3/30/2013 10:51:37 PM
herve

GW Shout-out on Nats Talk
Replies: 0

3/30/2013 10:37:40 AM
Poog

Vote your favorite GW recruiting fiasco
Replies: 15

3/30/2013 9:42:10 AM
Mentzinger

Johnson decommits!
Replies: 0

3/30/2013 8:26:26 AM
maypoman

Nigel Johnson
Replies: 0

3/30/2013 2:52:53 AM
Dude

gwhoops.com Digest - 3/29/2013
Replies: 0

3/29/2013 10:53:14 PM
herve

Miami, Marquette and Syracuse in Smitty
Replies: 7

3/29/2013 11:58:16 AM
In da Know

gwhoops.com Digest - 3/28/2013
Replies: 0

3/28/2013 10:51:39 PM
herve

Vote for GW SAAC
Replies: 2

3/28/2013 10:47:20 PM
Nemanjamental

Season Recap: Armwood & Bynes
Replies: 2

3/28/2013 2:25:58 PM
The MV

Lonergan, GW continue to carve identity
Replies: 9

3/28/2013 12:25:59 PM
Sauteur

gwhoops.com Digest - 3/27/2013
Replies: 0

3/27/2013 10:52:12 PM
herve

gwhoops.com Digest - 3/26/2013
Replies: 0

3/26/2013 10:51:07 PM
herve

Pellom granted release; Davis to transfer
Replies: 0

3/26/2013 3:09:38 PM
bam

gwhoops.com Digest - 3/25/2013
Replies: 0

3/25/2013 10:51:57 PM
herve

GW sucks
Replies: 10

3/25/2013 7:15:03 PM
George Mason

Lonergan Radio Interview
Replies: 1

3/25/2013 5:52:25 PM
The Rabbi

gwhoops.com Digest - 3/24/2013
Replies: 0

3/24/2013 10:51:56 PM
herve

Dan Guest - Verbal
5/21/2010 4:47:00 PM
Poster: sirValiant

ESPN lists him as the latest recruit - http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/school?schoolId=45&season=2010 - doesn't look like much...


5/19/2010 12:11:00 AM
Poster: Long Suffering Fan

So we now have the 207th best point guard.  Where do I buy my final 4 tickets?  Nice recruiting class GW


5/19/2010 12:29:00 AM
Poster: martiniboy

Evidently, he was a high level division 3 recruit. I did find games where he scored 31 points and 23 points so hopefully he has some scoring ability. Here is a brief player bio from NewEnglandrecruitingreport.com:

Dan Guest, Masters School - A beast of a guard, Guest battled Dieng tooth and nail in their matchup. They both used their athleticism and strength to make things very difficult for one another. Guest demonstrated that he can get to the hoop frequently, using a solid array of dribble moves and an overpowering physical frame. Guest is certainly an intriguing prospect because of his strength and ability to defend both guard positions, as well as score off the bounce.



5/19/2010 12:30:00 AM
Poster: CJS-Fan

LSF:  Give him a chance.  Maybe the kid will pan out.  Remember that nobody thought much of Omar or Kireev when they arrived.



5/19/2010 1:11:00 AM
Poster: DEA

Where in that ESPN link does it say he's committed? I'm not even sure this kid eists besides the one NE bball report..if true this is worse than Fitzgerald which I didn't think was even possible


5/19/2010 1:28:00 AM
Poster: Free Quebec

CJS Fan -- I'll give you Kireev (although no one ever knows what to epect of foreign players), but Omar was epected to be a star.  He was considered the jewel of the Pops/Hall class (although Hall had some good press, too).

You'd have done better if you said no one epected much of Kromah. 

However, given that we apparently went hard after a couple of other PGs who we whiffed on (Loyd, for eample), the late signing and low rating certainly throw up red flags for me. 

We'll see how it goes, but based on absolutely nothing other than a few random internet clippings, I can't say I didn't have the same reaction as LSF to the last two signings.


5/19/2010 2:27:00 AM
Poster: bobo

Dan Guest | PG

Hometown West Simsbury, CT
High SchoolThe Master's School
Position rankPoint Guard # 207
Height6'2"
Last Updated: 5/18/2010Data provided by Scouts, Inc.
Status  Verbal

Scouts Grade  73    Evaluation

May, 2010: Guest is a physical lead guard. An athletic and powerful player, he has all the physical tools to be succesful at the net level with a college ready body, eplosive athleticism, and good body control. His powerful body is the basis for most of his production as he can muscle his way to the rim or elevate for mid-range pull-ups. Guest also has all the tools to blossom into a good defender. However, he is a shoot first pass second point guard who needs to shoot the ball better from long range and also has a questionable feel for the game.

***  I would say this is more like the Travis King singing 4 years ago.  They couldn't get their 1st choice at PG and settled for a big/strong PG that m ay allow Toney Tayor to play more 2 guard without getting killed defensively because of a small back court.



5/19/2010 3:00:00 AM
Poster: DaOne

The Girls Basketball team is feeling to have a break out year, watch for the team MVP Tiana Myers to have another MVP year.



5/19/2010 7:28:00 AM
Poster: herve

I have limited info on this one, but I'm going to go out on a "future limb" and say Guest is a poor man's Elliott and a decent signing. We'll be surprised, but not certainly not thrilled.


5/19/2010 8:38:00 AM
Poster: Dolphin Michael

It looks like bobo and herve have it about right.

I think this year's class will again outperform the epectations which I gauge as pretty low. We don't have any great stars, but we are getting sound basketball players who have offensive skills. All these guys are coming out of the prep world with decent coaching and they are in competitive programs.

We now have a nice mi of speed and size that we can play at the one and two. We also added more scoring options at the 3 and 4. AND a defacto 5 in Warren. I realize that some teams in the A10 are adding some real talent, but few are going as deep as we are.

Again, I think this is a trend up for GW--not by a great top 20 class, but by thoughtful and positive recruiting to come up with a very good squad.


5/19/2010 9:23:00 AM
Poster: Mentzinger

Damn, I had hoped Hobbsie was getting Wall to transfer.



5/19/2010 9:53:00 AM
Poster: Tuna Can

Mentz, I think we are about to trade our entire 2010 class for Albert Haynesworth.


5/19/2010 11:34:00 AM
Poster: notta hater

Interesting pick-up.  He played for the Wisconsin Force AAU team out of Milwaukee where he was a wing guard.  His HS coach is the brother of one of the AAU coaches.  Not sure if we should be applauding the NE side of this or the Mid-West roots side of the pick-up.


5/19/2010 11:58:00 AM
Poster: DEA

I'm getting pretty freaking sick of these New England prep school recruits. This isn't UCONN where we can get the best of the best. We end up with second tier players from these schools who really aren't good at all. I would rather us raid the NJ high schools were the competition is actually better.


5/19/2010 12:00:00 PM
Poster: BM

From an AAU game last August:

Rugged point guard Daniel Guest (6-2) did a solid job of running the show for the Force squad. A senior-to-be at The Master’s School in Connecticut, Guest used his physical strength and outstanding ball handling ability to get into the lane and create for his teammates.

There's also a reference to a Daniel Guest playing soccer for The Masters School.


5/19/2010 12:19:00 PM
Poster: LA Fan

Question for Hobbs, Kvancz and Chernak - why don't higher rated high school players want to come to play basketball at GW? 

I understand we're not the powerhouse team in the A-10.  But something is not working on the recruiting trail.  We signed players that are either looking at Div. 3 or Ivy League schools.  I am all for finding a diamond in the rough, but something is off here.  What's going on?


5/19/2010 12:30:00 PM
Poster: danjsport

Why is it again that Pops didn't go to Kentucky?  Or that Kromah isn't playing right now for Memphis?  I forget why Hollis didn't go to UNC?

He's off the beaten path- maybe the reason none of the big time schools recruited him is because he is off the beaten path.  That doesn't make him bad- or good.  Brian Westbrook played college football at Nova.  Turns out he could still play in the NFL.  Steph Curry went to Davidson.  He could play in the NBA.


5/19/2010 12:46:00 PM
Poster: squid

Got to like big physical point guards though -- reminds me of one Mr. Carl Elliott posting up.


5/19/2010 12:46:00 PM
Poster: thinker

You aren't really asking why would a player like Loyd would go to Oregon rather than GW are you?  Seriously - people should chill just a little bit.  After some practices and a couple of games where guys look like Allbrittain then people should feel free to whine.  Last year Lasan was so under the radar that ESPN didn't even have a rating for him - they used the 40 score - which means they never even heard about him.  If you read the reports on Guest or Fitzgerald and ESPN gave them an 85 or 86 rating I guess people would feel better.  TT also wasn't even rated, Ware got a 69 rating.  The whole rating system is imperfect especially for the 95% of players who aren't being recruited by Duke or Kansas, etc.  Stepehn Curry couldn't get even a sniff from any major conference school and he was the second best rookie in the NBA this past year - a star for years to come.  It's very hard to project and kids develop and learn.

The key takeaway for me is that Guest has legitimate DI size already.  Hobbs has shown that he can develop guards.  Guest will have a chance to learn and get eased into play backing up TT. 

Did I want to get Loyd?  Of course I did, but he blew up his senior year and fell out of our reach. 


5/19/2010 2:21:00 PM
Poster: Long Suffering Fan

Of course I will give the kid a chance, CJS-Fan.  I hope he is all conference and I will cheer hard from him.  But I will say what so many of us contnue to say...that this appears to be a disappointing recruiting class that, quite frankly, is taking a bit of the steam out of my ecitement over last years class.  Yes, I will wait and see, but just because Steph Curry may have been unhearalded and turned into an all-american does not give me cause for ecitement every time we recruit an unheralded kid.  Frankly, with all due respect, the recruiting around here has not been so good for the past several years.  It has been a long time since we had an all conference player.  We have won 16 conference games over the past 3 years and have not had a conference tournament win during that period.  Further, I think we have selective memories regarding the recruits from the earlier years.  Players like Pinnock, Ricky Lucas, Omar Williams, Maurice Rice and even Pops (who was held back due to injury concerns) and Mike Hall were much higher rated recruits than we have been getting over the last few years.  But to compete with the Ivies and D-III for recruits?  Yes, I am disappointed and I believe entitled to a mid-May whine.  And, as always, I hope I am wrong.


5/19/2010 3:06:00 PM
Poster: The MV

A number of players from the 27-3 team were more highly rated but there was also less competition for them due to the prep school legitimacy issue.  When that dried up, KH tried to make it work with transfers and subsequently, the high school recruiting did fall.  Then, the team had two miserable years and after just one decent one, people can't understand why the recruiting isn't what it once was? 

That all said, and please do not take this to mean that people don't have a right or even shouldn't be discussing our recruits (and potential recruits), because everyone does have this right, but I have to say that that in the words of Lefty Driesell, "you know I don't know.  And, neither do you.

Last year's most heralded recruit was Tim Johnson.  The most lightly regarded one was arguably Lasan Kromah.  How's that working out for you? 

Three stars, two stars, zero stars, I don't give a crap.  Recruiting involves fitting pieces into a puzzle by projecting ability, attitude, and capability to fulfill roles at a more advanced level.  Why do you care what a kid's scoring average was in high school?  In the case of Fitzgerald, isn't it more important to ask whether he will be able to fulfill the roles and perform at the level that KH and staff obviously believe that he can?  From the way many of you sound, you'd think that there is a deliberate attempt to sabotage the program with subpar recruits.

Mistakes can and do get made.  But there's a huge difference between thinking that Miles Beatty can play at GW with a new and improved attitude and thinking that Allbritton can play Division 1 when you (KH) never saw him play in person.  Kh is not making any more mistakes along the lines of latter.  Interestingly, one of the big concerns regarding Allbritton is that he hadn't played against high quality competition (and subsequently, it showed).  Now, KH has made inroads at NE prep schools where the coaching is solid and the competition is strong, and that doesn't cut it with many of you either.  Short of finding the net Ray Allen or Rip Hamilton, I'm not sure if any of you would ever truly be happy with the recruits.  (I stand corrected..you'd be happy if Hobbs got that player with 3 or 4 stars net to his name.)

Finally, I will remind everyone that before Hooper started in with his reports about how good last year's freshmen were, I do not recall anyone heaping great praise on that recruiting class.  There were no 3 star recruits and in short, there was no feeling of ecitement surrounding that class.  This all changed when Hooper gave first-hand accounts.  That was followed by each of us seeing for ourselves.  Then, we collectively became convinced that the program was turning a corner.  Therefore, my advice to LSF and anyone else who is disappointed with this year's recruiting class is.....why don't you watch them play together first. 



5/19/2010 3:35:00 PM
Poster: Long Suffering Fan

I never saw any of these recruits play and, even if I did see them in high school, I would not know what to look for ecept the obvious (ie height, speed, quickness, etc).  So, I must do the 2nd best thing, which is to rely on the ratings of others as well as draw conclusions based upon the level of competition for these recruits.  Yes, this is not always accurate, but more often than not, it serves as a fair baraometer.   Hopefully we will be represented again in the Kenner League and we can start making our own judgments by watching them play against college competition, but given that I am an "immediate gratification" person, I am not gratified.   Look, I am not looking to out-recruit Duke, however I am looking to get the same quality of recruits as our A-10 competition.  If we cannot do that, we don't belong in the A-10.  Finally, the jury is most definitely still out on last year's class.  They were a pleasant surprise to me and certainly gave me cause for optimism.  Still, with the eception of Kromah (and maybe Smith), I don't know if I am ready to post the unqualified happy face on anyone else from that class.  So, I will sit on my computer when I should be working and piss and moan over what appears to be a diappointing recruiting class. but of course only time will tell.



5/19/2010 3:58:00 PM
Poster: danjsport

I, for one, would be glad if Ray Allen's clone and Rip Hamilton's clone came to GW. 


5/19/2010 4:55:00 PM
Poster: Mentzinger

Someone has to say it, so I will, although I've said it before.
If KH hadnt tried to go straight to an NBDL version of D1 college basketball his first two classes, we would be able epect rational, even recruiting with more hits than misses and the occasional high flyer.
But KH needed to make a splash so he could spark his career and move on somewhere else where he'd be able to recruit -- and get -- pretty much anyone he wants. Nothing shocking there. Call it "steroids recruiting," with shifting rules, vague enforcement and the overarching desire to overcome petty obstacles to win and win now. I'd probably cut a corner or two, too, if it meant I was a finalist for Naismith Coach of the Year in 2006 and mentioned for a better, higher-paying job, and of course assuming I wouldn't get caught
The inconsistency we're getting is directly related to the bad pub that came from KH's questionable recruiting in 2001-04.
When I say "questionable," I don't mean I'm questioning it. I'm on record saying I liked those classes and most of those kids, they acquitted themselves well at GW (mostly) and that the embarrassment of no HS diplomas for some of them could have been justified a little more strongly in the press and blamed shifted more squarely on the Clearinghouse.
But that's all out of the barn now. The truth is, without seeing Dan Guest, I feel like he's eactly the kind of recruit we should be attracting. A guy who fits a physical profile and fills a positional need with skills who may ... may ... blow up. Maybe he's a step below GW, maybe not. But I feel like people are epecting more of what produced 27-3, when a class like that one was probably unreasonable to ever epect in the first place.
Other than 2 recruiting classes, show me the highly-rated stars KH has brought to GW.
Welcome, Dan Guest! DO NOT READ THIS BOARD! EVER!


5/19/2010 5:51:00 PM
Poster: thinker

Ecellent post, Mentz.

The recruiting class that truly KILLED GW was in 2007.  Here it is:

SG NR Miles Beatty
(St. Anthony HS)
Jersey City, NJ

6-2/175 Verbal Yes Committed to George Washington
PF NR Jared Cunningham
(Oregon City HS)
Oregon City, OR

6-8/210 Verbal Yes Committed to George Washington
PF NR Joseph Katuka
(Montverde Academy)
Montverde, FL

6-10/215 Verbal Yes Committed to George Washington
SF NR avier Aleander
(Midwest City HS)
Oklahoma City, OK

6-4/185 Verbal Yes Committed to George Washington









C PG Jabari Edwards
(St. Benedict Prep)
Newark, NJ

6-9/200 Verbal Yes Committed to George Washington

Beatty - From one of the premier HS's in America led by Papa Hurley - Drinking and behavior disaster - fell off the side of the earth.

Cunningham - Couldn't pass his SAT's - Fell of the side of the earth.

Katuka - Our great BIG hope from a major prep school that specializes in recruiting big time players from overseas - into his 4th year and finally showing he may have good burn in his senior year. Not much up until now though.

avier - MVP of the HS league with Blake Griffin in it.  Very highly recruited.  Came to GW when things imploded and couldn't get his game and shit together - fell off the side of the earth.

Edwards - From another TOP HS in the Hurley family.  Mysteriously was not on the bench for the VCU CBI game.  Has provided very little of the promise he offered.

I'd venture to say there wasn't  ANYBODY who wasn't etremely ecited about that recruiting class.  The failure of that class is the one that led to the near destruction of GW basketball and Hobbs.  GW has been playing catch up since then.  LSF - you aren't ecited by the recruiting class of last year?  Kromah, Smith, Bynes, Pellom, Johnson, Warren?  What would ecite you? 


5/19/2010 6:09:00 PM
Poster: Mike K

Mentz and Thinker, 2 of the best back to back posts I can recall reading.  Hit the nail on the head.  You are right Thinker, if the star system was accurate, we would be kicking ass right now.  Since we know it's not accurate (but sure is nice to see a 3 or 4 star look at us), we are seeing last year's recruits without many stars begin to do well in Hobbsie's system.  A few more pieces...hopefully Guest is one of them if he did in fact commit.  I said it a few years ago (didn't invent it) and a few weeks ago, In Hobbs We Trust.


5/19/2010 6:36:00 PM
Poster: LA Fan

Ok, but at least give some credit to LSF's logic.  Just because we had highly rated players over the past several years that didn't pan out, doesn't mean that none of them ever do.  And it doesn't make low rated players better than high rated players.  If you had to blindly bet on a team with high rated players versus one with low or non-rated players, which would you take?

Kromah had a really good freshman year.  If people knew he had that kind of talent, I would bet a lot of teams in major conferences would have gone after him.  The other recruits from last year look to have some promise as well.  We are all fans of the team and I hope the players in this year's class really help to contribute to a winning team.  But I still have the question in my mind on why isn't GW landing players that were considering Temple or avier or even Richmond or Dayton?  Why can't we have any recruiting success against the teams in our own conference?   This is a legitimate question.


5/19/2010 6:58:00 PM
Poster: Mentzinger

Good post Thinker. That is a cigarette burn right there.
LA Fan, our facilities do not compare with the rest of the league, with better rehabs than ours at Dayton and St.Joe's, and new arenas within the past 7 years at Rhode Island, St. Louis and avier.
But do facilities make everything? Of course not. So the question then is why do schools like LaSalle -- who will enjoy back-to-back recruiting coups last year and this -- and Richmond, which continues to fill the pipeline with quality local kids, outrecruit us?
And there is no answer. Some of it is the "cosmic cycles" we all love about college hoops. Some of it is regionalism (schools that staked out turf now bearing fruit). Some of it is dumb luck and some of what I credit KH for is just a very keen eye for early talent (even if he cant seal the deal very often at GW).
The point of my post was that you cant game recruiting unless youre Kansas, Kentucky, et. al., and have all the  facilities, booster money and carte blanche from the admin that you need. Oops, 0-for-3.



5/19/2010 7:16:00 PM
Poster: thinker

LA Fan,

I don't want to get into a whole "It's impossible to recruit at GW" thing, but here are the gyms of the schools you listed:

Dayton Arena - 13,435

Cintas Center - 10,250

Liacouras Center - 10,200

Robins Center - 9071

These schools have much more appreciative fan bases, student support, and community support than does GW.  God love GW's students - but the fact is that for whatever reason - they don't support the team very well.  Nor should I add do the 10's of thousands of alumni in the area, nor should I add the DC community in general.  You'd think they would but they just don't - or haven't in recent years.  Those other schools are in significantly different markets than GW - like their basketball team is one of the top sports and entertainment draws in the city or they draw from a student base that is more interested in sports.  If Cincinnati wasn't already in the Big East, I imagine that avier would have left the A-10 years ago.

GW is in a market - recruiting wise where we have to not only go after the scraps that Maryland and Georgetown leave but also the biggest dogs of basketball who recruit here.  For the mid-major players we have to compete with the whole world of mid-majors too.  I don't know if it's demographics, poor marketing by the school or whatever - but we currently only have ONE area kid on the team - the mostly unrecruited Kromah.  Not being successful in your own market is the toughest recruiting obstacle for a school to overcome.  And now we don't even have any assistant coaches that are from the DC area.

Mason, which I think is a better run program is better funded, has better facilities, had the recent amazing run to the Final Four, and is in a weaker league and still has mostly missed the NCAA tournament since their big run.  It's fucking hard to recruit to small mid-major schools.  St. Joes has a great tradition and program and fans were agitating for their coach to be fired this year.  It's fucking hard to get good and even harder to stay good.  You get lucky with a couple of recruiting classes, get a great run, and then you fall back into the pack.  That's the reality for almost all mid-majors, actually the reality for most schools in general.

So I'm not sure what you really epect GW or ANY team to be able to do year in and year out.  I'm encouraged that it looks like we're climbing out of the abyss but it takes a couple of years and a bunch of good breaks.


5/19/2010 8:03:00 PM
Poster: FredD

1 Thinker...Everyone goes through cycles....Any Big 10 epansion will have a negative ripple effect on GW b-c it will accelerate eisting trends.  My worry about Guest is if he will have the speed to play in the A-10


5/19/2010 11:50:00 PM
Poster: Free Quebec

Thinker, I've said this before, but GW needs a coach who can win with the kind of players who will be attracted to GW's strengths (good location, great academics, international and diverse, etc.), not a coach who  needs a 12,000 seat arena to succeed.  If Hobbs can't get players here anymore that he can win with, then he's the wrong fit.  Doesn't mean he's a bad coach, just perhaps he's the wrong fit right now if our weaknesses outshine our positives in the way he recruits.




5/20/2010 12:12:00 AM
Poster: Long Suffering Fan

Wondering how the Smitty will compare to those other facilites once phase III of the renovation is completed.  Yes, it will still be smaller, but in terms of the weight room and other amenities that attracts an athlete...   Clearly the deficiencies of the Smith Center will not be as compelling an ecuse anymore one would think.  Now being the 3rd college basketball wheel will continue to hurt.  On the other hand, a school like Temple did not appear to have  anything on us, yet they were able to build a program.


5/20/2010 3:24:00 AM
Poster: GW Alum Abroad

I agree with much of what is being said here but take issue with Thinker's assertion that the DC community should support GW. Why should folks in DC root for their town's largest landlord? And why should they feel any affinity for a private school that charges more per year than most of them make in two?

As for the comparative of GW recruiting vs Dayton et al., I don't recall the President of the United States shaking hands with the avier players and no matter how nice the weightroom there is I don't think SLU players can to physical training by jogging on the National Mall.



5/20/2010 9:18:00 AM
Poster: formerly boston pops

this has been a refreshing thread.  i agree with most of whats been written.  On the subject of facilities and impact on recruiting, i would like to reiterate FQ's position. He has made this point a number of times and it is spot on.  Like building a personal resume, you emphasize your strengths.  Your ability to secure employment depends on how well you sell those strengths and on recognizing who will value them. 



5/20/2010 9:32:00 AM
Poster: Plato

Win and the top recruits will come. Net year you will be getting Dayton, and avier type recruits. You guys are in for a real surprise this year. Gw will be a A-10 top five team this year...



5/20/2010 9:41:00 AM
Poster: Free Quebec

Plato, I think there is a decent chance that we do get to the top 5.  But I disagree that winning equals recruits -- it's not like when we went 16-0 in the league and cracked the top 10 in the nation that we started landing bigger name recruits.


5/20/2010 9:47:00 AM
Poster: neil

The main reason we did not land big recruits is because Karl was lazy.  That was the time to score and he missed it big time.


5/20/2010 12:30:00 PM
Poster: Long Suffering Fan

I must take eception to what you said about KH, Neil.  I am a frequent critic of KH, but one thing I have always said is that I believe he is one of the hardest working coaches around.  He is anything but lazy.


5/20/2010 12:31:00 PM
Poster: plato

True Neil, its put up or shut up for staff. And I am sure they will put up , after the 16-0 season there was no pressure to win. Now last year has lifted some pressure , they will recruit to win. Every recruit is seen by Hobbs, so every recruit will fit system. GW will shake up The A-10 this year , and the following year LOOK OUT !


5/20/2010 1:17:00 PM
Poster: neil

Karl was lazy and admitted it at practice last year to the $$$$ people.

Karl is the reason we have a problem.

$40 million upgradre.

Upgrade the coach.  Bring back steve Pikel.



5/20/2010 1:58:00 PM
Poster: Long Suffering Fan

Dan Guest video...playing defense

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYBN4aNmS9I



5/20/2010 2:01:00 PM
Poster: herve

What I like about his defensive video is how tight he sticks to his opponent. His footwork is decent as well.


5/20/2010 6:26:00 PM
Poster: Mike K

At the 27 second mark of the video he turned his head away from his opponent.  This is something Hobbsie will need to work on.


5/20/2010 7:04:00 PM
Poster: gw795

http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/news/article/1420/Guest-Headlines-Masters’-Senior-Class.php


5/20/2010 8:26:00 PM
Poster: notta hater

that's right mike, back and to the leftt, back and to the left.  thank goodness for the zapruders who posted the you tube clip


5/21/2010 12:00:00 AM
Poster: bobo

Interesting qoutes from NERR on Mr Guess: "his recruitment reportedly came at significantly lower levels until GW came calling late this spring."

 On Fitzgerald the NE Recruiting Report said: "At this time last year Chris Fitzgerald was widely considered to be a division II prospect."

I wonder if Todd Bozeman could do a better job recruiting at GW?  He might be a good replacement net year if Hobbs' recruits don't work out.



5/21/2010 8:37:00 AM
Poster: The MV

Last year, 5 of the top 10 recruiting classes (according to Slam Magazine) in the country belonged to Teas, UNC, Oklahoma, UCLA, and Indiana.  Despite the great start by Teas, all can be considered disappointments.  Now, I do not mean to say or imply that the freshman class was solely responsible for each school's lack of success.  However, these were all situations where freshmen had the chance to step in, grab minutes and make a difference.  Over the net year, or two or three, I fully realize that these freshmen classes have the chance to be wildly successful (although Avery Bradley has already left Teas) but based on year 1, this doesn't look likely.

FQ pointed out the distinction in the quality of KH recruits now vs. a few years ago and I'm not ignoring this. (By the way, FQ, if you can legitimately recall being ecited about high school prospects coming to GW 10, 15 and 20 years ago, you have a far better memory than mine and mine ain't half-bad.)  But just remember that Omar was supposed to have been the best among Pops, Mike and Carl; Ricky Lucas was ranked ahead of JR Pinnock, TJ Thompson was an after-thought, SirValient was slated as the star and Chris Monroe (the school's all-time leading scorer) was to be his Scottie Pippen, avier Aleander was thought to be a tremendous two-way player, and Lasan Kromah wasn't really on anyone's radar.  Until these players arrive and find their way in a system, you just don't know who will ecel and who will falter. 



5/21/2010 12:15:00 PM
Poster: thinker

bobo,

WTF is eactly your point for the 100th time?

That we didn't get McDonald's All Americans?  That we can't get 5 star recruits?  Noted.  Are you the alter ego for neil?

It has been quoted from the same sources you are selecting bits from that Fitzgerald really improved his senior year.  On a team full of DI players his coach said he was one of the best shooters he has ever seen.  His coach said that Fitzgerald won 5 games for them this past year AFTER whatever was epected after his junior year.  His coach also said that there have been many doubters of Fitzgerald and he's shown them wrong.  The coach then says he imagines that there will be doubters in the A-10 and that Fitzgerald has a strong desire and ethic to prove his doubters wrong.  I don't know, that sounds like an intriguing prospect for us. 

New alert for bobo -- GW's players really liked him as well.  But what the fuck would they know?  MV, please don't ask me how I know this.

Check BM's thread on Guest - St. Bonaventure was heavily recruiting Guest as well - offered him - and apparently we got him.  Granted that the Bonnies aren't Duke but they aren't DIII either and they've finished above us in the A-10 recently.

I get whining and bitching about potential recruits -- after they sign you should really stop whining.  What's the point?  They're coming whether you like it or not and now it's just gratuitous whining.  They're on our team now - they're part of GW now.  Stop trashing them before you really know anything about them and let's see them and then you can judge - but in the meantime you should consider hoping for them to show the promise upon which they were recruited.  We'll have a 1000% better way of knowing how it will all work out in about 7 months. 

It's perfectly fair game - to me - to whine that players who we have seen play for a year or multiple years didn't pan out.  But seriously, you have absolutely ZERO information about any of our recruits other than what a few web sites have said.  We get your position.  Now it's time to come together and root for the kids we did get.


5/21/2010 12:39:00 PM
Poster: bobo

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.


5/21/2010 12:57:00 PM
Poster: seneca

Who really knows whether Fitzgerald, Mikic or Guest can play at this level? The great thing here is that some already want to judge these recruits based on press clippings and who else recruited them. I'd prefer to see them play in a GW uniform and make my judgments from there. A bunch of kids from Northern Iowa and Cornell who weren't highly recruited by "name" schools somehow made a lot of noise in the 2010 NCAA tournament.


5/21/2010 1:16:00 PM
Poster: newtman

thinker, i agree let's let the recruits play then we can assess their skills.  perhaps we should go a step further by not whining and bitching before we've completed recruiting because one or two of the players we whine and bitch about might actually sign with GW.

just a thought on recruiting: maybe we dont get higher rated players because they dont like KH's coaching style. he has no offense plan at least that ive seen, plays 10-11 guys a game.....  



5/21/2010 1:24:00 PM
Poster: DEA

Thinker I agree with you completely about letting them play and Bobo is an idiot.

Just out of curiosity though, how do you know GW Players liked Fitzgerald and also the St Bonnies thing?


5/21/2010 1:29:00 PM
Poster: thinker

newtman,

Recruits wouldn't know about Hobbs' coaching style until they got coached by him.  What they do see is the style of basketball that GW plays.  Most athletic kids LOVE the style of basketball GW plays because it gives them a lot of freedom to run and drive and dunk etc.  We as fans sometimes would like a more elaborate offense with set plays etc. but kids usually love GW's kind of style. 


5/21/2010 3:07:00 PM
Poster: newtman

thinker, you say recruits see GW play but they dont know KH's coaching style.  doesnt GW's style of play reflects KH coaching style?  if not why not? perhaps more highly recruited are interested in the coach's style. you got me on this one.

what about my other statement that kids we knock on this board may come to GW.  maybe it doesnt count if we bash them before they sign?



5/21/2010 3:29:00 PM
Poster: Alumnus

So recruits sign at a program like GW in 2010 without asking questions, coming to games or practices, or asking to see game film?  And they sign up because they hear that Hobbs' offensive strategy is run around until you see an opportunity to shoot or dunk?  I don't know, that sounds appealing when you're around 12 years old.  I would think most GW-level players, by the time they're 17 or 18, realize that winning because you're running some kind of offense is actually preferable to unrestricted freelancing.



5/21/2010 3:34:00 PM
Poster: Mentzinger

Dammit. Seneca said something I agree with.


5/21/2010 3:58:00 PM
Poster: thinker

DEA,

BM mentioned the Bonnies thing in a separate thread on Guest.  The other stuff - Having been burned badly on this board by discussing my sources, my policy now is that I don't discuss where I get my information from.  People can believe me or not.

Newtman,

I think of "coaching style" as Hobbs' personal style of coaching, not the type of basketball he coaches players to play.  As such I don't think players would generally know how Hobbs relates to players in practice or on the bench, etc.  That would generally be the case for almost every coach.  Even guys like K from Duke - do we really know what his style is interacting with players in practice (which is the vast majority of the time that players interact with the coach)?  Maybe some guys like Gary at Maryland have such a reputation as being hard asses that people would know but for the most part probably nobody really knows how coaches act in private.  Would the kids want to know?  Of course they would - there just might not be much of a way for them to find out until they're already at the school.  So maybe we're just disagreeing on semantics. 

I do know that one of the key factors for kids is their notion of whether they would enjoy or prosper playing in the kind of style or system run at that school.  People talk about academics, stadiums, campuses, etc (and I do as well) but I also think that another big recruiting tool is to tell a kid - you're perfect for our system.  We're going to let you run and drive to the basket and dunk a lot etc.  That's appealing to certain kinds of players.  It's also appealing to tell a guy, like Mikic, for eample that "we're a very athletic team but we really need a lights out shooter like you.  Our style of play will create lots of open looks for you.  I envision you playing 20 minutes a game."  I'm not saying that's what they told him - only those are the kinds of things coaches say to recruits that they really care about.  Other things matter too - but basketball-wise that is the thing kids are looking for.   

As far as criticizing potential recruits - I think that you're absolutely right and I'd think that it's not helpful at all for message boards to be trashing players before they've decided where to go to school.  But it seems like that's the era we're in.  Everybody seems to feel pretty entitled to trash just about anybody about just about anything on message boards. 


5/21/2010 4:47:00 PM
Poster: thinker

Alumnus,

Kids definitely ask questions and it's very common to go to a practice and sometimes to scrimmage with the team when on a visit.  Lots of kids visit with parents and lot of decisions get made with substantial input from them.  Some kids you recruit them mainly through the parents - the "I'm going to raise your kid to be a man."  Now when recruits watch a practice, does the coach act his normal way?  Presumably a coach is also going to run drills in a recruit visit that are more "fun" and where he isn't likely to lose his shit and scream at all the kids.  And also it might be really funny to watch a coach scream at a player while it would totally suck to have him scream at you.  And of course every kid thinks his shit doesn't stink so he thinks he's never going to get yelled at.  The whole thing is just way more elaborate than people think.

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