http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/09/AR2010060906007.html

"At Georgetown (937), George Washington(936) and Maryland (913), the men's basketball programs received the lowest APR scores of all the institutions' teams. The Maryland football program tallied an APR score of 929. Meantime, the men's basketball program at George Mason posted an APR score of 995, the highest of all the school's athletic teams."

So, KH's program is not getting it done on the court or in the classroom compared to all other GW sports teams. There is also his amazing PR skill set which has alienated  his team, local media, season ticket fan base, and fellow coaches.   Please remind me why he is still coveted as a coach.

Thinker, you make a good point about the carry on effect with the bad apples and the APR.  Unfortunately, these were KH's recruits so he can only blame himself and his staff,  but I do understand  that there is no reversing the past.  The APR is just the latest setback.   I have wanted KH out for the last four years mostly due his lack of accountabablity, professionalism, and leadership.  I don't believe he's the proper ambassador to represent the University and its basketbal program.  I was a season ticket for 18 years but didn't renew last year and won't renew until KH is gone. 

Not "wanted".

WANT! Boy I hope I am wrong..

MV,

You're right.  KH should be absolutely thrilled the men's basketball team finished last in APR for all GW athletic teams. Impressive!   The same article also referenced GMU's mbb  finishing  first,  so perhaps,  your general observation has some holes.  Yes, I did say KH and staff should be responsible for all the early departures / bad eggs that Thinker referenced factoring into the APR.   There were red flags galore about Beatty, Cheyenne, etc... that should have been seen as risks and the coaching staff should be accountable for the results.

What I said was that men's basketball consistently ranks among the lowest when compared to other sports.  I did not say that it is always the lowest everywhere or that it is always the lowest at GW.  Mason's APR rank this year happens to be an eception to the rule. 

MSC, you just have all of the answers don't you.  The red flag surrounding Beatty was attitudinal and as it would turn out, behavioral.  I don't recall any red flag during his recruitment regarding academics.  Same for Cheyene; in fact, other than his being unhappy over playing in what he felt was an overly structured offense at Clemson, I don't recall any red flags, certainly none that could be considered academic-related.  But I know it's very easy for you to blame Hobbs for taking such huge academic risks after the fact. 

Just for fun, why don't you tell me if any of this year's incoming freshmen are academic risks?  That way, if they don't pan out, you can always say that you blamed Hobbs for bringing them here before any or all are dismissed. 

MV,

I guess it was your alter ego that posted your original response, "both at GW as well as virtually every school in the country". Keep up the good work.   

Got me?  I'll still happily stand by my comment.  Newtman, how does one perform due diligence when questioning whether a player might fail out of college?  Thinker mentioned Omar and I'll throw in JR who is planning to earn his degree.  "Due diligence" might have suggested that neither player be admitted to GW because given their high school careers (academically), each could have been considered liable to flunk out.  Fortunately, KH and staff saw things in both that others may very well have missed. 

It is KH's job to stress academics in his recruiting pitches and to do his best to admit players into his program who he feels will be successful academically at GW.  It is not KH's fault if and when some of these players do not live up to their end of the bargain by failing to take academics seriously.  At most, it is a reflection on KH but by no means is it his fault, which is what MSC seems to be saying.

At the risk of the world spinning off its ais I will agree with MV. What some of you don't realize is that the NCAA has made "due diligence" a lot more difficult over the years. By limiting contacts with recruits, coaches must rely on far more third party reports often from stakeholders - AAU coaches, high school coaches, parents, friends etc. There was a time not too long ago when coaches knew more about recruits and were able to follow kids more closely. On top of that there is the natural phenomena that 18-22 year old kids just don't always do what they are told or predicted to do. That is not just a GW issue and affects a lot more than sports. Basketball players are probably not more or less likely to make poor decisions, defy authority and not listen to counseling from "old heads" than the general student population under the same circumstances. The only difference is we all know about those poor decisions because they are tracked and reported. But to say a coach should know about certain conduct beforehand in every case where there are no "priors" is just Monday morning quarterbacking.

wow, MV and Seneca on the same page . . . however, sometimes the posters really beat shit to death.  Dang like MV and Seneca have nailed it: (1) Hobbs (and Penders) is not recruiting in a vacuum - he gets sign-off from the administration so please stop suggesting this guy is out there seeking to find tough love candidates; and, (2) for you old guys this is very similar to income averaging - it reflects life at the program over a period and some of the events which helped determine the score have already been gone over and over by the site - how far up the duodenum do you guys have to travel each time?  This is not a player who murdered his girlfriend, forfeiting a ton of wins in multiple sports due to some back room payments, a coach fishing his players from the police station every week after fights at the local strip club, running a stolen car ring, selling marijuana out of the dorms, getting thrown out of multiple games for fighting, cheating on eams, getting grades in phantom classes, taking courses which belie the phrase "higher education."   - - - chill