gw 168/15/2017 9:53:06 AM
greenpoint ny8/15/2017 10:26:32 AM
I dont see anything
mike k8/15/2017 2:37:46 PM
I don't see anything either
gwmaven8/15/2017 2:43:43 PM
I see it. He says last scholarship used for a top 20 recruit coming in.
this8/15/2017 3:12:58 PM
I am so proud to say that this past weekend the GW men’s basketball program hosted our first Alumni Reunion. The reunion was a two-day event that brought together seven decades of GW greats to reminisce about historic moments and connect across generations for a very special weekend. The event was highlighted by a game that showcased several GW legends, and our players did not disappoint!
Take a look at our video montage below and photo gallery HERE to see for yourself some of the most memorable moments of the weekend. I plan to make the alumni reunion an annual tradition and this past weekend was just a preview of what we are doing to keep our GW family close and connected.
Having a family atmosphere is a part of my vision for this program, and one that was felt throughout the weekend. Another part of my vision involves building an identity at the Smith Center -- one that takes it from ONE OF the toughest places to play in the A-10 to THE toughest. We will continue to work to get name teams on our schedule and this year we will host teams such as Miami, Rhode Island, VCU, Princeton and Harvard, along with facing former A-10 foe Temple in D.C. for the BB&T Classic.
Our players will compete with toughness, grit and resilience, and we will aim to play an exciting brand of basketball that pays homage to former GW basketball greats who paved the way for this program to be what it is today. I truly believe that together we can accomplish some special things here, but we cannot do it without you, our loyal fans.
The coaching staff and our players are working tirelessly to improve on the court and in the weight room. We are committed to attracting the top recruits and transfers to ensure a bright future for this program.
Season tickets have now been released and we hope you come back and join us this season as we embark on this adventure together.
Thank you all for your unwavering support. Let’s continue to strive towards making our home court THE toughest place to play in the A-10. Let’s have the Smith Center rocking all season long. Let’s do this together, because Buff and Blue is forever!
Head Coach, GW Men’s Basketball
danjsport8/15/2017 5:17:55 PM
Certainly sounds positive. Here's hoping he can pull it off!
mentzinger8/16/2017 9:58:12 AM
Good letter. Great event.
notta hater8/16/2017 12:32:45 PM
fantastic. Never forget where you came from and who was before you. That will always be your center and base. Again, I hope this is a start to bring back all no matter when they stopped playing for GW.
the mv8/16/2017 1:08:26 PM
Notta, a bit of a devil's advocate response but I am curious as to whether all who ever wore a GW uniform should be welcome back, or should lines be drawn? Examples:
David Pellom was in attendance. David was injured during his senior year and it became apparent that his relationship with Lonergan was fractured. Mike thought he was ready to come back and David opted to remain injured so as to not use up his eligibility (or perhaps he truly was still injured throughout the entire season). He was then cleared to play for Memphis a season later.
SirValient Brown was also in attendance. Widely circulated reports indicated that Val did not have much of an inclination to attend classes while at GW. He subsequently left school after two seasons in what appeared to be a mutual decision.
Others who were not in attendance also pose interesting questions:
Montrell McDonald transferred after just one season
Marquin Chandler transferred after being implicated in a phone card scandal
Lasan and Kethan both had lengthier and more productive Colonial careers but each transferred with a season of eligibility remaining.
Maureece Rice was suspended from the team with only several weeks remaining during his senior season
So, are all of these examples welcome back in your opinion? Would you perhaps draw a line on guys who were suspended, kicked off of the team, or committed an infractioin (Val, Maureece, Chandler) but welcome back those who transferred away in good standing? Obviously, the school did not draw this line as Val did participate.
By the way, it was great to see Val out there. I just am not convinced that he should have been there, but was still happy to see him.
ziik the senile old man8/16/2017 1:21:25 PM
Universities are open doors to opportunities.
Why shut open doors?
gw05098/16/2017 1:34:32 PM
Yeah I say so long as the person didn't commit some heinous crime while at GW, they should be welcomed back for the Alumni Game. These are individuals who at the time they did anything "wrong" were 18-21(22)?
Time heals most wounds.
bo knows8/16/2017 1:53:16 PM
Can only think of perhaps 2-3 players in over 30 years who did something so heinous that they need to stay away. Those of us who have been around awhile know who those players are so no need to rehash past incidents here. Suffice it to say none of those players were in attendance on Saturday. I have no problem with anyone who transferrred out who wants to come back and associate themselves with GW. In fact, those might be some of the best references for our program - that even after leaving, they still feel some affinity for GW and their former teammates.
yawle8/16/2017 2:01:16 PM
nice call GWMAVEN. Let me know details of this recruit you ambiguously reference
also, who says any or all of those mentioned that did not attend were actually invited and just were unable to make it?
gw alum abroad8/16/2017 2:07:32 PM
About the only "grey area" participant was SirValient, but aside from ball hogging he committed no crime while at GW. Unperson status should require a high threshold than that...
hugh8/16/2017 2:37:51 PM
Pellom had previously been back at the Smith Center, welcomed back by ML: https://twitter.com/MikeLonergan/status/618163084344053760
notta hater8/16/2017 2:50:42 PM
MV, I can only think of one person off the top of my head who wore a GW uniform and still should not step foot on campus. This is related to a conviction after a trial on the merits on a finding beyond a reasonable doubt for a crime of violence that took place on campus (as I recall the facts). For the most part I am comfortable with a "love the sinner but hate the sin" attitude. Some of the players were people who made mistakes in their teens or early 20's. Some of their mistakes were magnified by the fact of their public stature as an athlete at GW. Also, some of the mistakes cost them deeply, including a degree, friendships, future employment etc. In some cases we know the players left and did not want to leave and were not doing anything wrong. In some cases it was a family issue. In some cases it was they could not get along with a teammate or a coach or the academics spoke to them in a way they were not prepared for. Speaking for myself, I am willing to forgive any person who is taking an intentional step to "come back home."
the mv8/16/2017 3:09:03 PM
Notta, I like your answer and apparently, many others feel the same way.
The only player of each that I mentioned that I would have thought twice about was Val. A youthful indiscretion like Chandler and the phone cards is one thing but accepting a full scholarship and hardly ever attending class is another. Not attending classes is akin to not even trying to receive an education. I looked at last Saturday as a way of honoring these former players and when put in that context, I do have to question whether we should be honoring someone who did not even try in the classroom. On the other hand, last Saturday could also be easily construed as a way to thank these former players for their hard work on the court and some great memories. Put in that context, of course Val should have been there.
hugh8/16/2017 3:29:19 PM
Maybe the context is for him to come back and tell the current players, "don't f**k up like me, go to class."
bigfan8/16/2017 4:52:07 PM
Thought Hugh's point did make him an object lesson. Hope he has learned. Thaat is the only way one would really feel comfortable with SirVal. If we are being honest with ourselves, at least some of us cringed at the thought because of the way he denigrated academics.
But it obviously is a big thing for him and others. Was really pissed when watching Nightline one night and SirVal totally embarassed us about not wanting to go to school with books and things. To be fair, a both scholarly (and much more likely pro) college football player made the same point recently. But let's face it, there's a lot less pressure for GW athletes, even in our showcase sport.
Though he embarassed us--and perhaps exposed Penders lax oversight or discipline at time, have to assume SirVal, like many people as they gain perspective in life, that he made a huge mistake. Or maybe he made a lot of money overseas and feel everything worked out great. In which case, would less want him to come to "alumni" game.
Otherwise, what the hell, it was interesting to see SirVal in youthful shot-choosing form and it wouldn't be GW basketball history with him. Sure, it would have been good to see everyone play and get a fair chance to take more shots, particularly more shots for Shawnta.
Yet SirVal consantly jocking up ill-chosen shots that mostly clanked off the rim evoked a very accurate reminder of a period in relatively recent GW history. Brought back memories of wondering whether this will be the one that actually goes in.
On thing seems for sure: even if ball-hogging were a crime during SirVal's tenure, on Saturday he clearly felt protected in doing it again by protection against double jeopardy.
clarity8/16/2017 5:00:36 PM
Attila and Miles Bo? As far as I am concerned those guys should never show their face at GW again. Some things aren't forgivable.
ziik the senile old man8/16/2017 5:21:59 PM
So what do you gents suggest? We give scarlet letters, instead of varsity letters, to the players who 'let us down'?
How about we just get over it, and move on. Guys who make mistakes with their lives, especially early on, have to make peace with themselves. They hardly need a bunch of yahoo old alums to continue ranting on their misbehavior. Some might even need an encouraging word or two. How about we try that?
the mv8/16/2017 6:04:02 PM
Is your senility so out of control that you can't contain yourself from barging in on a perfectly acceptable conversation with your antagonistic drivel? Nobody isn't over anything mentioned in this thread. Nobody hasn't moved on. Nobody has suggested scarlet letters. Nobody is ranting about misbehavior. Perfectly valid discussion.
the dude8/16/2017 6:04:17 PM
Seriously, well said Ziik, lets just enjoy this great event and celebrate the return of so many past family members. Truly Great event!
notta hater8/16/2017 6:07:39 PM
I once served as a volunteer alum phone-a-thon at my high school. While scanning my list I saw a few guys I knew had been bounced 20 years earlier because they got busted smoking dope in the parking lot. When I asked the development director whether I should call these folks she stated that they were still viewed as part of the school's community and that they have gotten some positive responses and gifts from expelled alum - including some pretty large gifts and statements like: "I hated you at the time and I went through hell, but there was a life lesson I learned and I have never forgotten it. . ." I got no such positive responses that night when I was able to connect with them. Oh well.
ziik the senile old man8/16/2017 6:52:57 PM
By all means, MV, list the sins of every player you've annotated in your little black book, call them sinners, then, give them your blessing to show up at a GWU bball reunion.
Because, of course, your blessing of the sinners is all that matters.
Well, you fucking dope, I had not even singled you out, for being the fucking dope that you are. Because, you are a lost cause.
As for my alleged senility, what other disabilities bother you? My guess, you grew up tormenting the mentally slow, the halt, and the lame. It's hard to comprehend your mean-spiritedness otherwise.
Nice of you, to forgive SirVal for not living up to your college boy standards. You are so very forgiving.
bigfan8/16/2017 6:59:21 PM
Perfectly reasonable question and for a change, everyone is handling it maturely. Wouldn't want to dwell on it because it was a wonderful concept and event, but we are presumably adult enough to handle the occasional food for thought without either blind support or lack of apppreciation.
Wouldn't want to see the guy who made Anti-Semitic threats or actions in the dorm---think it was during the Hobbs era.
But that doesn't mean the game sure felt like the best thing since the NIT championship and engendered a lot of goodwill.
bigfan8/16/2017 7:05:01 PM
Also Notta's personal recollections are invariably interesting while often providing reasonable insight on larger questions. Really enrich us.
gw728/16/2017 7:30:25 PM
ML is the only former Colonial who willnever be invited back.
gw alum abroad8/16/2017 9:14:20 PM
Methinks the ex-player convicted of a sexual assault in his University-supplied dorm room and his coach who hid the charges from school admimistrators will not be receiving halftime honours any time soon...
But let's get this thread back on topic. I would have LOVED to attend this game and I hope everyone who was there had a great time and has their appetite whetted for the GW hoops excitement to come!
the mv8/17/2017 10:02:04 AM
It was a great event GWAA and everyone did appear to truly enjoy it. Myself included.
So what happened here is that I raised the question as to whether anyone and everyone who ever played for the team should be welcome back to an event like this. I raised several names who one could arguably call into question, including David Pellom and SirValient Brown who did participate. The overwhelming consensus on Pellom is that it was appropriate for him to attend despite having transferred out of the program. Great job by Hugh to post the tweet indicating that David was in good standing. Val was a bit more complex being someone who left school after two years because he consistently failed to attend class. Valid points were made as to why it was fine for Val to attend and why perhaps he should not have been invited.
There was nothing about this discussion intended to denigrate players or dwell upon sins. This was a perfectlty legitimate discussion to have and as Bigfan correctly pointed out, "we are presumably adult enough to handle the occasional food for thought without either blind support or lack of apppreciation."
Unfortunately, the exception here was Ziik. Once again, Ziik demonstrated that his interest is to instigate and start trouble on this board. If he didn't like the conversation that was taking place, he certainly didn't have to participate in it. Instead, he blatantly sets out to mischaracterize the discussion, conveying that it was nothing more than an opportunity to rant about the mistakes of our players. No, it was not that at all. It was a fair conversation about whether someone who transfers out of the program, or quits the team, or flunks out because he failed to go to class, should be essentially put on a pedestal and revered by the program's fans. There is no definitive right or wrong here; this is all a matter of opinion and should be regarded as an interesting discussion without any malicious intent whatsoever.
rich maier8/17/2017 2:38:31 PM
MV, you are well known for instigating and starting trouble on this board. Or did you forget that fact?
clarity8/17/2017 3:00:51 PM
What a dumb statement GW72 ... taking lessons from Trump I see. Did you forget that Attila sodomized someone with a broomstick in a dorm room? Yeah I am sure whatever Lonergan did was much worse. Grow the fuck up buttercup.
gw728/17/2017 3:08:00 PM
ML will never be invited back. No chance. Would be a legal liability to even have him back.
the mv8/17/2017 3:34:35 PM
Rich, that's your opinion (and no doubt Ziik's and The Dude's as well) and I'm really not trying to change it. But, I don't agree with it. Don't confuse instigating or starting trouble with reacting to things like lies. Yes, my reactions are sometimes overreactions as I'm happy to admit that I've been guilty here of pushing a point too far. Fortunately, the vast majority of posters whose words I respect also seem to respect mine. Am really not concerned about what a bunch of liars and troublemakers think of me.
bo knows8/17/2017 4:08:23 PM
Why would there be legal liability to have ML back?
notta hater8/17/2017 5:10:51 PM
shi@ here we go
gw728/17/2017 5:44:31 PM
The event was so well attended in part because the players were certain ML would not be present.
little birdie dropping knowledge8/17/2017 6:40:01 PM
There was a short list of former GW players that were unwelome to Alumni Reunion. Most of you can imagine who was on it. No former coaches were invited, nor to the best of my knowledge, did any request participation.
clarity8/17/2017 9:46:52 PM
Notice Bo that GW72 avoided answering your question. Bo didn't ask you whether Lonergan should have attended or been invited. He asked you what would be the legal liability had he been invited. Again a very dumb comment by GW72.
maine colonial8/17/2017 10:03:12 PM
Bob Tallent is a former coach (and player) and so at least one former coach received an invitation.
bigfan8/17/2017 10:54:42 PM
Bob Tallent was first a GW Hall of Fame and Atlantic 10 Legend player before ever becoming a coach. A true alumnus with a civil engineering degree.
Bob Tallent is a gracious man and huge GW basketball supporter despite his own experience in not having his overall coaching success appreciated here. A fine gentleman we are glad to have among us.
Let's not drag him into this debate as a straw man.
And let's not also drag ML into this thread, celebrating a really special event.
Best to ignore the trolling provocations that injected his name into this.
No matter how strong your feelings are on this unrelated issue, why piss on something and foment discord over what was a truly unifying event?
gw698/17/2017 11:29:24 PM
Not an ML fan as I've made clear many times.Having said that--I'm
on board with Bigfan on this one.Slamming when gratuitous is
counter productive and poorly played.
bumper8/17/2017 11:52:49 PM
Jarvis was invited as was Tallent. Cosby and ML are the only 2 that will never be allowed back.
lowpost8/18/2017 11:06:03 AM
for the record bob talent played long before the a10 or even the eastern 8 even existed.
bo knows8/18/2017 12:39:35 PM
Correct Clarity. I wasn't asking GW72 whether ML should have been invited (doubt he would have attended even if invited), I was asking him what would possibly be the legal liability of inviting ML. I found that a curious statement as a lawyer and wanted to know what I missed.
little birdie dropping knowledge8/18/2017 5:32:12 PM
Bumper, the list of players not invited was more than one. There are players who let this program down in ways beyond their on-court performance, for some those letdowns will make them never again welcome at GW. The stories of those few are fairly well known. It's unnecesarry to name names.
On the other hand, some well known GW players and personnel got caught on the "wrong" side of some issues and will remain unwelcome until certain current employees and "advisors" leave. At that point I hope the truth is released for all to see. But until then, it's unfair to judge them on this forum.
gw698/18/2017 6:31:32 PM
I wasn't there--but it sounds like the event went really well.All this
conjecture is nonsense and not on point.Not a fan of trite cliches but
this is an example of "not leaving well enough alone".