By: BC (1,645 posts) - 5/27/2015 8:02:53 PM


By: ziik (2,950 posts) - 5/27/2015 8:47:33 PM

He's still only 5'11" Can they feed him?

By: thinker (2,825 posts) - 5/27/2015 10:03:14 PM

"stretch the defense with his outside shooting and gives us another strong ballhandler."

I am SOOOOOOO confused is he a point guard or a shooting guard????? He obviously has to be one or the other. Asking for a friend.

By: THE DUDE (529 posts) - 5/27/2015 10:49:41 PM

I like Mitola, I was the loudest supporter here having watched him play many times.  He's a good shooter, and a much better athlete than you might think.  But if you think at 5'11 he's going to play starting 2 Guard minutes you are nuts.  He's the replacement for Nick Griffin, not Kethan Savage - a 3pt specialist.  Even playing in the Ivy,  he shot 30 something % on his 2's, this is not Russ Smith.

Alex is a 5'11 shooter and his role on GW will be depth, not "the two guard."  Nick is bigger stronger and he couldn't defend, Mitola is going to have the same trouble defensively and offensively around the rim as NG- he's here to hit some open 3's, that's his role.



By: thinker (2,825 posts) - 5/27/2015 11:31:27 PM

In your previous analysis all players had to have a position. So what's Mitola's position? And position doesn't include starting or off the bench - that's the type of role he'll play. What situations he's used in - role, If he's the replacement for Nick - who was a shooting guard in your view - then is he a shooting guard also? Is Mitola a shooting guard or a point guard?

By: THE DUDE (529 posts) - 5/27/2015 11:43:53 PM

Haha you're getting bogged down over semantics, there's more nuance than your questions would suggest.  In this case there's 1 question to be answered, can Mitola handle well enough to bring the ball up against some A10 level ball pressure. If so, he might get a few minutes spelling Joe at the Point.  That would basically only happen IF:

1) He can handle the point against A10 ball quality on ball pressure

2) He beats out Jordan Roland for that role.  IF not, he's not going to be on the court very much and will relegated to only the Nick Griffin a few minutes a night/hit some open 3's bench scoring.  That's a role that Matt Hart would like, so even in that role there will be a little competition.


By: Long Suffering Fan (4,106 posts) - 5/28/2015 12:27:09 AM

He didn't transfer to GW and ML didn't recruit him at both Vermont and GW to play 6-10 minutes per game.    His position is clearly point...having a point who can shoot the 3 will extend the defense...but he is still a point.  Obviously ML likes him and I trust that we will help.  He is certainly not Kethan, but he should be the best or second best player off of the bench.

By: thinker (2,825 posts) - 5/28/2015 12:52:05 AM

Seriously, nuance is my thing. Your thing is making nonsensical blanket statements. 

Your argument is actually what I've been saying for awhile - That there are a bunch of players who will have a chance to fill out various roles in a way yet to be determined and which I believe will allow us to be a good team next year.

You're the one that said Mitola can't be an option at "shooting guard" because he's only 5'11". Yet if he fills the Nick "role: I guess he has to be a shooting guard because everyone, in your world, only has one" position." So is Mitola a shooting guard or a point guard. Just answer that question.

By: THE DUDE (529 posts) - 5/28/2015 12:56:29 AM

Lets presume the most likely starting lineup (presuming no more transfers and none of the rising Sophs make a giant leap up like Swan or Cimino or PJ)  Starting 5: Joe/Pato/Yuta/TC/Kevin

For guard depth, don't forget the man to beat out is Paul (who I've said is destined for the scoring punch of bench role but others here think he's the future PG) We have a gaping hole at the prototypical two guard spot, but a lot of candidates for Guard Depth.   So for Mitola to get big minutes, he'd have to first beat out PJ and Roland (and Hart) and/or ML plays a ton of two tiny guards in his backcourt (another opinion espoused by some here, that I don't share as likely)  I'd say 10 minutes a night would actually be a high estimate - the guy is 5'11.

By: thinker (2,825 posts) - 5/28/2015 1:58:21 AM

LSF, just FYI this is a running issue that I have with Dudelaimon so there is more to this discussion than is visible in just this thread. My sterner tone is directed at him not you.

Role is a very different thing than position. Matching the proper role to the proper player is one of the most important things that a coach does in practice and then during the season. In my heart I believe with great conviction that ML is not going to be altogether that caught up with what "position" his different players play. He's interested in who can shoot, play defense, handle the ball, rebound. etc.

If Mitola can get open and hit shots when playing with JoeMac or Paul - then shucks I guess he's a shooting guard. If he play with those same guys and they can get open and make shots then shucks I guess he's a point guard. What if sometimes they pass to him and he shoots and scores and sometimes he passes to them and they shoot and score? What position is he then?

What matters is who can play and what combinations of players work together best not what position you call them.

But Dude only uses the nuance argument to refute a nuanced argument made against his blanket statements that generally start our delightful interactions. So Dude just tell me what everyone's position is and how we can tell. Answer the question I've asked you five times - when Savage got benched and Yuta and Garino played together who was the "shooting guard" and who was the "small forward?"


By: herve (9,159 posts) - 5/28/2015 6:15:33 AM

Shwoo! I was thinking this might turn into a discussion of Mitola's role! Thank goodness it hasn't! Just more impetus to finish the "ignore" function.

By: Pops (505 posts) - 5/28/2015 6:36:12 AM

I've only skimmed much of this thread but like LSF would like to insert my opinion.  It sounds as though Minolta will be the 3rd guard.  I would expect the top 3 guards to see close to equal minutes. Griffin never rose to that level.  We are fortunate to have 3 guards who can handle the point and shoot.

i would hope one of the others steps into griffins role as pure shooter

By: Long Suffering Fan (4,106 posts) - 5/28/2015 7:59:44 AM

In terms of blurring positions on the Court, for 3 years, Kevin has been listed and announced as a forward, however, at least by my way of seeing things, he is probably the most traditional center we have had a GW probably since Sasha. C'mon, 6' 10" 260 pounds who plays with his back to the basket and has great low post moves, if that isn't a center, I am not sure who is.   Not quite sure how or why they refer to Kevin as a forward, but it has always bothered me a bit.  

By: Mentzinger (3,646 posts) - 5/28/2015 9:49:11 AM

I'm seeing Mitola as Prince Harry but without the game. Very puzzling.

By: Mentzinger (3,646 posts) - 5/28/2015 10:19:34 AM

I'm seeing Mitola as Prince Harry but without the game. Very puzzling.

By: Rich Maier (17 posts) - 5/28/2015 10:50:24 AM

Mitola shot .857 form the line playing for Dartmouth. GW has long been struggling with FT shooting so i'd like to see him in the final minutes of a tight game if he is a player. 

By: The MV (4,915 posts) - 5/28/2015 11:21:03 AM

Both Nemanja Mikic and Nick Griffin are great shooters.  Very pure shooters.  Yet both would have to be considered disappointments.  The primary reason for this was that each was essentially a one-dimensional player.  Lord knows that ML tried to get more from Nemanja but his rebounding and defense, while a bit improved over time, did not come close to allowing him to be a major contributor.  Nick's ball handling and defense were subpar for a player his size.

The quality of players and coaches in the A10 had much to do with this.  One dimensional players are easily scouted and solved at this level.

So for Alex, it will boil down to how much more can he provide beyond being a designated three point shooter.  Can he drive and score?  Can he drive and dish?  Can he pump fake from 3, take a few steps in, and nail a jump shot?  Can he hold his own on defense?  And even if he could do all of these things at Dartmouth, will he be able to against A10 competition?

Top Transfers Sitting Out Next Season (Includes Kethan Savage)


Sulaimon mention

Apologies if this has already been covered, but I haven't seen anything about it. From ESPN: He'll be able to play immediately due to the NCAA's graduate transfer rule, and Sulaimon said that he has been contacted by more than a dozen sch