Thanks PN for the NIT win
richard
 1/13/2017 5:44:03 PM      Replies: 84

richard1/5/2017 12:28:42 AM

I am sure ML enjoys the ring you did not give him.

Shame 

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bigfan1/5/2017 4:22:31 AM

We won the NIT?

Didn't see anything about it in year-end wrap up.

Are you sure?

Couldn't resist. Actually thought the PN letter seemed fine, except for bizarre omission.

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gron1/11/2017 12:57:20 PM

research: verified that PN tried to not allow the team to participate in the NIT.  Silly!  Funny how he tried to be center stage at the Championship game and celebration.  Guessing it was BC he spent 18+ months putting his plan in place and this 'worthless event' cost him a couple weeks.  He spent a lot of extra time with the SID in contact with Kilgore before the article came out.  Let's just say they weren't trying to 'stop the press'.  Oh, and of course his lawyer (now it makes a lot of sense why she was quoted-if he wasn't accused of wrongdoing why have this type of lawyer contacting Kilgore?)!?

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keith greene1/11/2017 1:21:57 PM

I must say that a bunch of you are truly pathetic.  Coach Lonergan is the FORMER head basketball coach at GWU and will not be returning.  The spilled milk from posters should have dried up MONTHS ago.  Let it go already.  

If you want to air this out in the court of public opinion, then Coach Lonergan should sue for breach of contract and/or wrongful discharge and let ALL the facts come out.  Who will benefit from that?

Enough already.

 

 

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gron1/11/2017 1:35:16 PM

Why, so it can happen again?   We are losing too many good people and the culture of our beloved University especially our athletic department is bad.  What happens when MoJos assistant coaches' jobs are threatened and they leave?  The fear is not only in the men's basketball players it is throughout the department and since the fear is still there and ML is gone I guess it wasn't him after all.  It could affect recruitment (athletes, students, personnel).  

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squid1/11/2017 2:20:13 PM

Guys, come on. If you have a real issue, talk to a reporter, don't just make anonymous comments here. I'm sick of it.

robert1/11/2017 2:31:52 PM

You're sick of it but a man's reputation and career was tarnished if not permanently ruined because of annonymous comments. Hmm...

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gw 20131/11/2017 3:41:09 PM

One person posting under a dozen brand new names has hijacked the board the past days with this stream of pro ML anti Nero ramblings.  Simply ignore, its the only way to end it. But its a real shame that an eventful and interesting few days for GW has been taken over by one person's bizarre agenda. If you see a poster name you don't recognize, dont respond at all, it only breathes life into and helps ruin the board.

 

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ruserious1/11/2017 5:13:22 PM

"Gron" you sound curiously like our former coach....

robert1/11/2017 5:25:40 PM

and RUSerious sounds a lot like an AD i know...

bigfan1/11/2017 7:00:50 PM

We could use to discuss this in less start and hysterical terms.

Lot of attempts to bait people on BOTH SIDES.

But this forum is the only place where information comes out.

Keith is a good guy who uses his own name. And has a right to his opinion,which is well expressed in this case and often. But so do others. Don't see how anyone could or would want to get over this without learning the facts of what torpedoed our program.

Just look at the highly sought-after Canadian recruit who came in for a visit during this secretive turmoil and fled to sign with St. Joes.

That, along with the destruction of much higher-level recruiting activity was destroyed by this.

All of you who want to move on are more equanimical people, one would guess, that you can just move on from the thing that you read about and express opinions all the time, even in the middle of the work day.

But reasonable people still have questions in this bizarre mystery.

 

 

 

 

 

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152.33.60.11/11/2017 7:11:50 PM

Where is goss?

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gw05091/11/2017 8:09:06 PM

Longpre's not that good; bullet dodged

friend of mojo1/11/2017 11:03:53 PM

Last year we break the record home winning streak of VCU and tonight we get embarrassed on national TV.   This isn't MoJo's fault but Nero's. He was behind the Fake News story to get ML fired and he purposely ruined the program to cover up his own transgressions.   He threatened to play the "Victim Card" if GW fired him.  We can't say Gay Card here or we will be accused of being homophobic.  Nero is the reason Darnell isn't breaking this press tonight and getting assists.  We have talent but no true point guard.  Tyler, Hart, Sina, Yuta and Steeves aren't young so that excuse is a joke.  Steeves turned down Vandy, Cal and  Richmond to play for ML and this is ML's best recruiting class so Nero hiding behind fake names posting about bad recruiting is comical.  He is the reason Darnell isn't here and the reason Longpre signed with St Joes.  Steeves was a big recruit who has had injuries and needs a system to utilize his talents.  Yuta is the most talented player in the A10 and a NBA prospect.  Carm and Nero will be gone soon and MoJo will keep the job and hopefully get the staff chemistry back.  Carm's only contributions were Jair who should be playing in the Patriot League and stabbing Hajj in the back so bad that Maltzman hired MoJo.  Carm had nothing to do with any of the good players signing with GW.   Hajj, MoJo and ML were the recruiters.  Tyler would have been held accountable by ML and made the NBA.  Now he is a shell of his former self and plays no D and whines to the officials.  The officials hate him.  MoJo can't discipline any player because he is afraid to.  Marfo, Smith and Toro will be gone in the spring and although Yuta will probably stay he could go anywhere.  Nero set this program back 5 years and people are starting to learn the real story.I am just glad my buddy MoJo will get the head job because GW won't be able to afford any more bad publicity after the lawsuit is filed.   Everything is true and the players and coaches know it.  Nero is getting nervous because he knows he is slowly being exposed.  People see he lost his power and they aren't afraid to speak out against him.   Did you see how nervous he looked behind the bench?  His "anonymous sources" won't be able to save him. 

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newgwfan1/11/2017 11:28:38 PM

MOJO I feel for him.  Bringing the team on road to VCU as first time head coach. Had to see this coming.  

PN this is all on your shoulders.  GW basketball is headed in the wrong direction.  Tyler senior year has been a waste.  Things are only going to get worse.  

rkelley1/11/2017 11:41:13 PM

I miss ML as much as any alum and fan and I already spent a lot of time making my case for him on these boards--defending him given the public evidence. I just hope, that against all odds, we're able to learn the truth, ML is able to move on with his career, and GW basketball recovers. 

And FWIW, I think MoJo has done an oustanding job given the circumstances, should be hired fulltime, and I think it would be a shame for any of the big recruits to transfer. I hope the University does everything in their power to keep these guys. You want to build a fanbase? This is a crucial time.

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rick1/11/2017 11:51:43 PM

The trouble is, real sociopaths are often very good at rising the ranks to positions of power and keeping those positions. They ruin the images of their adversaries without remorse and get them removed from the equation. That's their MO. I don't doubt that ML had someone in the athletic dept trying to ruin him. I don't doubt that this person was someone who did something wrong themselves and was trying to cover it up, or maybe just had a personal jealousy or dislike of ML. 

I personally believe ML was unfairly fired. Kilgore's article and the Universities vague press releases have convinced of nothing but they wanted to fire Lonergan as swiftly possible and with a strong hand. He deserved a review process etc... etc...He was an excellent coach when he was here, seemingly had the players and his assistant coaches behind him. The lack of explanation to the fans is disgusting.

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gw 20131/12/2017 12:22:51 AM

This board goes months without a new poster.  Every so often on comes a new person.  20 new names all echoing the same tired lies about Nero, now appearing on every single thread. 

I get why some are curious to know the entire story. However, It makes zero sense to encourage this person to ruin every thread over and over again with transparently false narrative that's been on repeat for many months, now posting under a dozen identities and twice as many names.

The Nero story made zero sense from the beginning, just a way to deflect from ML, who may or may not have gotten a raw deal from a school looking to avoid bad PR after some damaging things came about the the Coach's behavior.  This effort though to muddy the water and make Nero (a guy that frankly has done a good job and we know very LITTLE about) into Pol Pot has been by a mile the worst thing on the board.  

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rkelley1/12/2017 12:36:49 AM

@Gw2012 Agreed

rkelley1/12/2017 12:37:01 AM

I meant @GW2013

rkelley1/12/2017 12:42:43 AM

Yeah truthfully, I know nothing about Nero. I posted a lot during my time here about GW's success and attributing that to ML, along with Nero and Knapp as well as the entire athletic department.

When I defended Lonergan, I was defending Lonergan, not attacking anyone. Without knowing the facts for sure, and I don't think I do, I'm not a fan of trashing anyone, ML, Nero, anyone. All I'll say, with the info I do have, I want more before judging. Until then, I miss ML, think he was a great coach and I feel bad for him. 

Alright, I gotta leave this topic until we learn more. I just want GW and ML to do well for their own.

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maine colonial1/12/2017 9:20:57 AM

If ML was such an amazing person and coach, and was a blameless victim of a conspiracy cooked up by someone at GW, why did not one player or assistant coach leave the program in protest? And why did this terrorism campaign begin and why does it continue? To me, the terrorism campaign proves the charges that ML was a bit unhinged and that some of his friends are too. Coaches get fired regularly and many of them think their firing was unfair but they don't resort to the type of vicious campaigns that ML and/or his friends have engaged in. Please stop and seek counseling. ML is not coming back and your posts only increase the likelihood that ML will never coach again. What school thinking about hiring ML, and doing their due diligence and reading these threads, would still consider hiring him?

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the mv1/12/2017 9:58:00 AM

Maine, nobody left in protest because:

a) the timing.  Lonergan was released in mid-September.  Players had already started classes; coaching positions were already filled.  There was nowhere for anyone to go.

b) MoJo, Tyler, and others did a great job of keeping the team close-knit.

c) Here it is again...the point that the ML bashers can't seem to understand being made by the ML supporters (though I am speaking for myself only here)...Lonergan in all likelihood was far from a perfect saint.  It is not hard for me to believe that he said things he shouldn't have, and vented to players where he should have been venting to his family and friends.  What hasn't been fully determined yet is what factor or factors prompted Lonergan to behave in this manner?  What was the context in which he made his ill-advised remarks?  Once you have these answers, we are left to ourselves to determine whether the firing was wrongful or justified.  But to anyone who can't comprehend why this issue is still making its way to this board so frequently, it's because nobody has provided these answers.

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bigfan1/12/2017 12:27:47 PM

Exactly.

ml is going to keep coming up1/12/2017 12:32:06 PM

As long as the team performs like last night, ML is going to keep coming up.  It may still have been a loss with him coaching, but we wouldn't have been embarrassed on national television, and may have even won the game

jwf1/12/2017 1:32:46 PM

Maine is absolutely correct. Not only did nobody leave but, Mojo is bringing the freshmen along nicely (does not yank them for one mistake). He may not be the right X's and O's guy now but, the jury is still out on his long term success. More telling is whether the freshman stay, I think they will and what we ultimately learn about ML. What can be said with absolute certainty is that a coach with his resume would never have been dismissed unless the school felt that the allegations were both real and serious. It's not like GW wins NIT championships every year. Those who defend ML simply because he is successful apparently believe the ends justify the means or more likely suffer from cognitive dissonance

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ml1/12/2017 1:48:18 PM

He was fired and it's over with. The reality is we are being outcoached, and it's a game like last night that crystallizes that 

long suffering fan1/12/2017 1:54:57 PM

Keith...it is not so much that Lonergan supporters don't recognize that he is gone and not coming back...of course we do.  It is just that many of us remain angry (its only been 4 months) and get even angrier thinking about where we were for the last few years and where we appear to be headed now.   The VCU game hardly was cause for the Lonergan supports to think its time to forgive and forget.  Further, I have absolutely no idea of whatever behind the scene stuff went on, but I will say that posts such as those made by "Friend of Mojo" are in fact well articulated, logical and have a ring of truth to it (or in other words, can cause someone to think...well, just maybe this is true).   Conversely, if you were to tell me that "Friend of Mojo" is indeed an embittered Lonergan, I would lkiewise say that it too has a ring of truth.  Or for that matter, if Nero isn't likewise posting here.   I just don't know.   So, to those who are jumping all over this poster, just how do you know that these allegations against the AD are not true.   Please don't respond by simply saying that they don't make any sense because in fact they do make sense...I just don't know if it  is true or not.

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thomas1/12/2017 2:02:41 PM

If the players wanted to leave because they were angry that ML was fired, they could've left. You can check verbal commits or any other person or site that covers college basketball, and see that players transfer whenever they feel like it, it doesn't necessarily have to be between semesters. Georgetown has had 2 players transfer out at what you'd consider an inconvenient time, one left about a week before the fall semester started, the other left towards the end of the fall semester. Georgetown was close to signing a guy who left Arizona State in November. 

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jwf1/12/2017 2:05:45 PM

So just to understand the pro ML people really believe he is essentially innocent of anything significant, the AD orchestrated this for personal reasons and the university dismissed one of the most on the court successful coaches because that is what the AD wanted? If so you are beyond reasoning with. For those who miss the wins, grow up,  and for those who personally like ML I think you have judged him incorrectly

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ml1/12/2017 2:20:28 PM

This isn't about all the BS between ML and PN... this is about the level of coaching.  We were embarrassed on national TV by a good but not great VCU team.  VCU has a chance to make the tournament, but it wasn't Kentucky we lost too.  The play of the team couldn't be sloppier.  We are getting outcoached (and evidently out-recruited). What's going to happen when the starting lineup no longer includes TC?  how are any prospective players going to feel good about coming here after witnessing that debacle?  

gw05091/12/2017 2:24:58 PM

ML got outcoached and outrecruited by VCU too.  And yet, recruits showed up even though ML got his butt kicked routinely down there.  Was there this much clamoring to can ML after VCU drubbings?

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gw691/12/2017 2:30:24 PM

TheMV--people have free will to respond to others behaviors 

any way they want.My behavior effects you--HOW it effects you

belongs to YOU.

I'm suggesting that "context" is not particularly relevant here--ML

could have chosen(assuming he was more self aware) any number

of ways to respond to whatever was going on in his world at that time.

Shit happens to folks who are limited in their repertoire-at the very

least and possibly the very most --ML was immature.It looks 

like it cost him his job.

 

 

 

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mentzinger1/12/2017 2:31:01 PM

JWF that's really disingenuous. We can believe ML was fired for all the right reasons AND that there was something tangible that happened in the relationship between he and PN that set him off and caused him to act improperly.

In other words, no conspiracy. Just a less than full explanation thus far.

Probably less than half the story has been told. A portion of one of the sides.

If I recall correctly, PN was separated from the team last season. If that's true, why? And why was ML so pissed of at PN to have acted out? And where do ML's transgressions fit on the timeline of when PN was separated from the program?

We may never know the answers to those questions, but if we got them it would go a helluva long way toward figuring out what happened, and ending the ML era conclusively.

 

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ml1/12/2017 2:32:04 PM

ML wasn't getting outcoached.  He was here during the VCU heyday and the team never looked as bad as last night.  You could tell his teams were well-coached... now it's 17 turnovers and general confusion 

gw05091/12/2017 2:41:28 PM

W 72-69

L 72-48

L 92-75

L 84-57

 

You're right, we never lost by 30.  Only by 27, 17, and 24.  Great coaching by ML to keep it close, lol.

And the win could've easily been another L had JoeMac not made a last second 3 and VCU's answer not clanked off the rim. 

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gw691/12/2017 2:59:39 PM

An old Jew is being led to the gas chamber and he knows he is

going to die.--His options appear to be quite limited.He knows his time

has come.--He realizes their is another option---since he is going to

die anyway he decides to spit on the guard and get shot instead.

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the mv1/12/2017 3:00:24 PM

GW69, understanding proper context is always relevant.  I've repeatedly said that ML in all likelihood could have handled things better.  But understanding what drove him to the words and/or actions he allegedly used or displayed of course matters.  Everyone makes mistakes in this world but those who do so as a reaction to someone else's influence may be more justifiably excused or forgiven than those who make them without any outside influence.

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maine colonial1/12/2017 3:08:31 PM

I am guessing the AD was "separated" from the basketball team because he wanted to fire ML and GW's HR people wanted him to avoid encounters with ML to avoid jeopardizing the case for firing him. And they also didn't want ML acting out in public in a way that would embarrass the university. The argument that the AD was responsible for ML's abuse of individual athletes is ridiculous. 

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gw 20151/12/2017 3:17:23 PM

Agreed, patently ridiculous. Can we create perhaps just one thread to contain these Nero/ML endless back and forth? Its being driven by a single deranged, angry pro ML poster now posting under 20 new name a day, consuming every discussion.

gw691/12/2017 3:31:56 PM

The MV --An explanation is not an excuse.

jwf1/12/2017 3:53:50 PM

Mentinger: I don't disagree with you at all. I only have an issue with those who believe the coach was fired w/o  justification. Just would not happen

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former colonial1/12/2017 4:06:42 PM

There seems to be a lot of 'splaining going on by those who want to defend decision. Funny thing is I'm betting that none of you have seen investigative report.  Also funny how can defend something by essentially saying we don't need to know. Fuck that elitist bullshit. We had a program that was on the rise and was graduating kids with no NCAA violations. You damn well better be sure that there are going to be questions and concerns as to why this had to happen. And they are going to continue until somebody steps up to plate and provides some answers. #factsoflife

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gw69b1/12/2017 4:39:36 PM

Ive been dishonest on my posts. I've tried to appeal to what I believe

is reason by educating others as to how one can behave with free will

in any situation-once they are conscious enough to do so.

Actually,I don't give a crap about what happened to ML. Don't know him

and assuredly did "something " to get his ass fired.I don't care what

that "something" was.The rest of you have at it.

P.S. I do believe in " diminished capacity" --ML was not operating

in this condition.

Also since none of us can be completely conscious the idea is to become 

as conscious as you can.You are responsible for all your actions even 

if they are unconscious.Diminished capacity would apply to 

scizophrenics and others with brain chemistry difficulties.Ill shut up now--

I had too much free time today.--and I may falsely believe that some of

you care about what I post!!

 

 

the mv1/12/2017 4:42:55 PM

GW69, let's say a person gets pulled over for speeding.  He or she explains to the officer that they were speeding because they received an urgent call that one of their loved ones was in critical condition in the hospital.  Was the person still speeding?  Of course.  Does the officer still issue the ticket?  Maybe, but maybe not.  There's a reason why people may plead guilty, request a trial or plead guilty with an expanation.  Explanations deliver context and while I agree that they are not excuses, in life, there are sometimes extenuating or unusual circumstances that allow for showing compassion or at least understanding better the motives of wrongdoers.  But to be fair, it's hard to believe that you do not know all of this already and that you may be going out of your way to be a bit difficult on this particular subject.  Just a hunch on my part.

gw691/12/2017 4:43:17 PM

Dont know how the B got there.I suppose I did it.In fact it had to be me.

gw691/12/2017 4:55:41 PM

The MV--yes.I am being difficult here.Of course I believe in extenuating

circumstaces.Having said that, in your example I'm not so much interested 

in the officers position--If I'm the driver I would plead with the officer to 

let me continue on my way--or if he were to give me a ticket---after all 

I was speeding--please give it to me as quickly as possible.In the latter

case I would be very upset with the officer and after getting the ticket and 

leaving I would be cursing at that son of a bitch.

PS Thanks for the dialogue.

 

maine colonial1/12/2017 5:09:05 PM

"Former Colonial"...Here's a fact of life: If GW had kept ML on after receiving complaints from players about his abusive behavior and a distraught kid ended up doing what the poor kid at Northwestern recently did, there would have been hell to pay. GW was much better off letting ML go before he did any more damage. And I take comfort in the fact that Joe McDonald decided to join the team instead of picketing outside the Smith Center and demanding ML's reinstatement. Whether the AD deserves to be let go is a completely separate matter and I would imagine GW senior officials looked into ML's charges. 

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former colonial1/12/2017 5:43:47 PM

"Maine Colonial" - The fact is you know nothing about what happened. But you keep running your mouth. Typical of those who are full of shit.

gw691/12/2017 5:46:58 PM

TheMV--I always choose compassion--without it their is no healing.

Its the most necessary requisite in my line of work.Followed closely

by curiosity.

gw 20151/12/2017 6:04:36 PM

one poster, using 40 names, all saying the same anti Nero and pro ML on every thread, I think the info when first posted, during a quiet time and in a seemingly reasonable manner briefly duped a few long time posters. seeing this now out of control campaign over and over again under the guise of dozens of GW fans I hope makes clear how fictitious this person and his "info" is

 

 

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jwf1/12/2017 6:08:00 PM

Former Colonial: Nobody knows what happened except those involved. Nevertheless please go on the record saying that you believe ML was fired without any culpability. I was at MSG, I was part of the team in the 80's. Successful coaches don't get fired w/o cause. Stop sounding so ridiculous

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who cares1/12/2017 6:13:35 PM

Focus on the team and their performance or lack thereof. Don't get caught up in the Lonergan/Nero nonsense. That should be the focus. As much as I hate the idea of the coach/AD losing their job, the school probably needs a clean slate across the board.

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maine colonial1/12/2017 7:24:42 PM

"Former Colonial": You might want to rethink your campaign to win our hearts and minds because it's having the opposite effect. 

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ruserious1/12/2017 7:47:12 PM

Maine Colonial your posts have been right on the money

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gw 20151/12/2017 9:12:41 PM

Not a single negative word in 5 years about Nero.  As soon as the ML story broke, all of the sudden all this anti- Nero stuff, after not a single negative word.  Showed me all along how transparently false all that stuff was.

After the last few days, that should seem very obvious to all here I trust. This false Nero narrative repeated ad naseum you might have thought was partially true, I really hope you see how clearly made up it is now.

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keith greene1/12/2017 9:41:14 PM

Perhaps the only way this gets put to rest is if Coach Lonergan comes forward and tells his side of the story.  If he did nothing wrong, he has nothing to hide.  So for those who may know him, why not ask him to put his side of the story out in the public.

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former colonial1/13/2017 12:24:08 AM

Don't worry Keith you are going to get your wish. There just is only one catch. You will have to read the pleadings. Stay tuned!

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bobo1/13/2017 12:41:01 AM

Keith,

GW could also release the contents of the report, just like College of Charleston did emediately after firing basketball coach Doug Wojcik.  Obviously GW has nothing to hide and should welcome the chance to release the findings. Lonergan has no grounds to sue, so there really is no reason to withhold the full report at this  time. I believe that's something everyone on this board can get behind.

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high flyer1/13/2017 1:03:37 AM

GW has a very good reason to withhold the full report.  The investigation showing ML's actions being much worse than is already commonly known. That would be a very good reason to not release, for the sake of both ML and the school.

 

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bobo1/13/2017 8:47:43 AM

It doesn't seem like the school is at all concerned about ML's well being.  They are looking out for themselves but if this was all on ML and nothing to do with PN or GW, what do they have to hide? 

Nothing.  GW is completely in the clear on this and should of course release the report. There is no legitimate reason for them not to do so since, as we all know, this is 100% on one man: Mike Lonergan.

ruserious1/13/2017 8:59:45 AM

GW will never (voluntarily) release the report. It would look very bad for the school if the extent of ML's egregious behavior was to be made public. 

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the mv1/13/2017 9:33:55 AM

As opposed to right now, when things look so rosy for the school and this program.

bobo1/13/2017 10:06:22 AM

Exactly, MV.

RUserious, did you even read the Charleston report on its coach, Wojcik?  Bad for him but did no harm to the university by releasing it.  It gave a detailed account of the type of things Wojcik was saying and doing to the players with 15 witnesses against Wojcik including 5-6 of them publicly on record.  

The release of the report did not harm the College of Charleston.  The actions of the 1 man, Wojcik, harmed himself. They had a quick and reasonable settlement ($400k), the university went out and hired a new coaching staff and Wojcik is now an assistant at Gonzaga.

It's a bullshit excuse that GW can't release the report.  Baylor released its report after much worse actions by the coach and staff and they are moving on and it's been done numerous times by universities across the country after some sort of alleged transgression.  

Sunlight is the best disinfectant and it is time for the university to release all the information.  

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maine colonial1/13/2017 10:12:23 AM

Both basketball teams have winning records under two new coaches

The gymnastics team is ranked in the top 10 in the nation.

The squash and sailing teams are ranked among the tops in the country.

Swimming, rowing, tennis and XC/track are on the rise.

We just announced the hiring of a new president, who sounds sharp.

GW is the largest university in the nation's capital with the largest endowment and real estate portfolio and highest credit rating.

GW will meet its $1 billion fundraising campaign ahead of schedule.

Science and Engineering Hall is attracting talented scientists to GW.  

The new cancer and autism centers are growing.

GW will soon have one of the top 10 art museums on a college campus when the Corcoran Legacy Gallery opens.

The future is definitely rosy as GW prepares for its bicentennial. In fact, it's never been rosier.

 

 

 

gron1/13/2017 10:30:43 AM

The University is not concerned at all about ML at all!  This is very obvious. And for it to be mentioned as a reason to with hold the investigation is laughable.  If they release the investigation they will have a boatload of answering to do.  They hired a firm to do an investigation to find reason to fire ML.  Coaches around the country will be very scared to read the report and think THAT is what he got fired for.  I can get fired, too, BC I've said and done much, much worse.

The witchhunt will be read and fans, alumni will have a lot more questions.   

The Bob Knight/ Wojcik comparison is like the Sandusky comparison.  

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the mv1/13/2017 10:46:35 AM

If you really believe that things are looking bright for the men's basketball program right now, you have your head so far in the sand that I'm afraid there's no helping you.

Let's also address this ongoing chorus of "why or how would the school ever fire ML if this wasn't justified"?  Here is a scenario which I am not at all stating as fact but is plausible:

Let's say that Nero was guilty of inappropriate actions (the allegations concerning him and a GW player) and this is what outraged Lonergan.  Nero gets questioned about this and not only flatly denies it but threatens to retaliate should the school decide to suspend or fire PN.  This then falls in Knapp's lap who frankly, doesn't want to be bothered by it.  In the end, he says that if the two of them can't work this out, then get rid of the coach because the school does not need a sexual discrimination lawsuit on its hands.  So, Lonergan allegedly makes unfortunate comments which constitute cause for firing him according to the school. 

Again, I am not saying that this is what happened.  But to those who keep asking how ML could have possibly been unjustly terminated, here's how.  (And I recognize that are some who feel that it absolutely does not matter what drove him to say the things he said, making his release justifiable no matter what preceded it, but I am obviously not in this camp.)

 

 

 

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ziik1/13/2017 10:55:14 AM

How about accepting the simplest possible answer: ML was told to shut up, and he did not. Occam said something about that.

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gron1/13/2017 11:19:25 AM

Ziik-he did shut up.  That's the kind of person he is.  A rule follower...to a fault.   He was assured if he cooperated he would get his chance to talk.  He completely cooperated with a witch hunt.  The University scared the players and staff with it.  What was said in the investigation is not worthy of termination.  

dc native1/13/2017 11:25:28 AM

This thread sucks...

newgwfan1/13/2017 12:02:04 PM

The MV,

That makes way too much sense to post that on this board.  Now let's have a flood of people discredit this and say it can't be discussed.

 

 

fmc1/13/2017 2:42:48 PM

Regular posters clamoring for more lies about Nero from this clown look very dumb now, I'm sorry there is no nicer way of saying that. Did you see this person's attacks on Herve today? Still believe this Nero assassin after that?

bobo1/13/2017 2:55:21 PM

Nobody's really interested in getting their information from either Gron or you, FMC. They want the information to come out of GW on the full report from the investigation. There was a report during that time that GW was also looking into the Athletic Dept (presumably allegations about Nero) but nothing was released about that either. That's the type of information some people are looking for from the university.

maine colonial1/13/2017 3:05:24 PM

How long did you have to wait to see the Gimelstob and Hobbs reports?

fmc1/13/2017 3:13:22 PM

Wrong, I am not offering false fake information like this yahoo.  I am simply saying those who were tempted to believe some of it should now feel silly for doing so.  Was the attack on Herve not enough to reveal the fraud? How about all of these new names all posting for the first time, many with supposed different indentities? 

Makes the board very unpleasant and difficult to read.  Dumb to tarnish our AD for no reason. If you were looking for truth and clarity, this sure isn't the way.

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bb1/13/2017 3:28:14 PM

Is ML owed any $ or was he fired for cause and forfeited the rest of his contract?

newgwfan1/13/2017 3:49:51 PM

No one knows.  There has been no information released to the public.  Of course this is why there is some much conjecture and bitching.

the mv1/13/2017 5:22:34 PM

Fired for cause.

bb1/13/2017 5:44:03 PM

thank your for the clarification The MV

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