PROJECTED STARTING 5
the dude
 9/12/2017 10:36:27 AM      Replies: 44

the dude9/4/2017 7:52:19 PM

Projected 2017-18 starting lineup: Jair Bolden, Terry Nolan Jr., Yuta Watanabe, Patrick Steeves, Arnaldo Toro

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ziik the senile old man9/4/2017 8:47:34 PM

And?

Is there a bench?

the dude9/4/2017 10:10:05 PM

Bench:

(In disguise) Kromah, Carl, Joe Mac, Doctor John and A thin downed not quite as BigKev

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gwmaven9/5/2017 10:36:58 AM

MoJo will be coming of the bench. 

mentzinger9/5/2017 11:15:36 AM

We are way too small and our biggest guy (Yuta) may be defending guards. Buffet-style rebounding for our opponents this year: All the seconds they can eat.

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hugh9/5/2017 11:58:53 AM

I'd throw in Zeigler as a candidate to start. He's 6'6" but seems to play bigger. Also averaged 3.5 rebounds in 20 minutes per game last season.

And remember that ML's best teams also had terrible benches and short rotations (albeit with better starters, obviously).

the dude9/5/2017 12:23:30 PM

Hugh, agreed on all counts.

 

 

bm9/5/2017 12:42:29 PM

Zeigler makes some sense as the energy guy coming off the bench.  Wildcards are Langarica and Justin Williams.  If the "Kenner Self" of one of them pans out, we'll have some breathing room.

the dude9/5/2017 12:51:08 PM

Maceo and Mazzulla?

dea9/5/2017 12:52:37 PM

if we gang rebound we will be ok. size only means so much. best rebounders in college bball are frequently 6'5, 6'6

the mv9/5/2017 1:10:35 PM

Rebounding is a concern but not nearly as big a concern as defensive FG %.  Ideally, you would have a Zeke Armwood type who could serve as a major defensive presence by both blocking and altering shots.  That type of defender makes opponents think twice about taking the ball to the hole.  That leads to fewer defensive fouls called and subsequently less foul trouble.  In lieu of a Zeke, you would have a Kevin Larsen type who may not have been a great defender but who did have a big enough body to patrol the lane.

What we have up front lacks size and an intimidation factor.  Teams with capable frontcourt scoring ought to be excited to play this GW team.  Even if you feel that Bo could be this guy, he's a bit undersized and am unconvinced that he'll be a 30+ minute/game player, meaning there would still be plenty of times where we would be lacking this presence.

There is obviously a trade-off as we should be playing more quickly (more possessions, more points) and should be better equipped to defend in the backcourt (though still a year away from being able to effectively contain the smallish, speedy guards who have given us trouble under ML/MJ).

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ziik the bomb thrower9/5/2017 2:27:04 PM

My guess, MOJO will throw the bench at GW's opponents, a la BobKnight. I doubt ML could have done that. 

the mv9/5/2017 4:34:59 PM

One other point to address something BM said.  If Javier and Justin turn out to be pleasant surprises this year, that would be great but I would be extremely surprised.  In the case of Justin, I just can't recall a single instance where a freshman went from virtually not playing at all despite being healthy to becoming a major or even semi-major contributor.  It's common to bring freshmen around slowly with Roland being a good example of this.  Yet as little as Jordan played as a freshman, he played substantially more than Justin did.  If Justin really turns out to be a breakout performer, then shame on our coaching staff for burying him on the bench last year the way they did.  Before you counter with how Justin could be a late bloomer, which is entirely true, I would still say that he had to play more than he did last year if he really had this potential in him.  Coaches are far more often right vs. wrong about these things, which is why I'm not anticipating Justin suddenly becoming a 20 minute per game player.  As for Javier, I thought he showed potential at Kenner but not as a major contributor right away.  Given his size, he will need to add some strength which likely means a full offseason in the weight room.  I do hope he gets some playing time this year as his skills as a big who can shoot 3's and be an effective pick setter are apparent.  But again, I would not envision major minutes coming his way unless one of our bigs are consistently in foul trouble and Javier is called to play out of necessity.

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ziik the senile old man9/5/2017 4:49:03 PM

I generally agree with the MV on most everything, and, I do, generally, on Justin as well.

But, damn, the guy showed all the individual skills last season, just not a concept of his role in the team game. My guess, he was a one man team in HS.

Now, as for precedent, sure. There is precious little but not none.

Recall Joe Wassel? Not an overnight success. But, he did remake his body and his game, and in several seasons, went from an end-of-the-bench-man, to a real scoring star. 

I'd love to see Justin make us all choke on our hotdogs, and be a real player. He's got the body and the individual skills.

bmore guy9/5/2017 4:50:36 PM

Terry Nolan will prove lot of you wrong.  Stay tuned! 

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bm9/5/2017 5:23:45 PM

Kethan was the bust of the class as a frosh and scored 3 ppg.

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ziik the senile old man9/5/2017 5:24:06 PM

Better than Mike King?

the dude9/5/2017 6:02:13 PM

Lol, but he was also starting by the end of the year.

 

 

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the mv9/5/2017 6:17:27 PM

BM, my point was not to suggest that players never go from having paltry stats early on as freshmen to becoming major contributors.  Kethan played 29 games as a freshman and even started in 16 of them, so it was easy to see that the potential existed for him to break out.  Ziik's Joe Wassel is a closer example to what I'm suggesting.  Yet even as a freshman, Joe played in 22 games and played a total of 185 minutes.  Out of 15 players on the 1981-82 roster, Joe was 10th in minutes played (surpassing Nip Rogers and Doug Vanderwal among others).  Not much playing time at all, but compare this to Justin who played a total of 33 minutes over 7 games throughout his freshman season with only Adam Mitola playing fewer minutes.

My point is that it might be impossible, or extremely rare if not impossible, to find someone who played so little as a freshman as Justin did, was healthy, and then went on to become a prominent contributor later in his college career.

dmvpiranha9/5/2017 8:57:02 PM

Pretty much expect this to be the lineup for the coming year. I know some coaches tend to play non-freshmen in the starting lineup if possible, but I think Terry has more upside than Justin Williams. I really hope we draw up plays for Justin to shine on the offensive end but I don't know if he is ready on the defensive end. He was exposed many times at Kenner (granted he was asked to guard some good players) and I think Terry might be able to hang with the guards in the league with time if he's healthy by the start of the season.

We don't have a true center so we will have to probably play with two forwards in the frontcourt. I think Bo will flourish as the sixth man, but I could also see him playing well in the starting lineup. Last year Arnaldo played better off the bench with Collin Smith as the starter. Then we went away from that for some reason and both players fell apart (and possibly led to Collin transferring). However, like I've said before, I think it's more important to ensure he doesn't transfer after the year so putting him in the starting lineup will make him feel wanted (I know that sounds stupid but we can't afford to lose a frontcourt piece after the year with Bo, Yuta, and Patrick graduating). The most important thing for Toro this season is to stay out of foul trouble otherwise it's going to be a long season.

Justin Mazzulla will get around 8-10 minutes backing up Jair. Javier will get whatever minutes remain outside of rotating Patrick-Bo-Arnaldo. Yuta might get some minutes in the frontcourt here and there but hopefully we don't put too much on his plate. 

I'm interested to see how we play Maceo Jack this season. He's listed as a SF. Assuming Yuta plays almost all of his minutes at that position, I wonder whether Maceo will get some minutes at SG as well. He might end up playing more minutes at shooting guard as Terry plays maybe around 20-25 and Justin plays 10-15. 

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mentzinger9/5/2017 9:28:15 PM

Dokun was less than nothing as a frosh but ended up with impact playing meaningful NCAA tournament minutes. 

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gwmbb9/5/2017 10:11:39 PM

MV we also last year had - 

Sina, Roland, Hart, Yuta (all with college experience) plus Jair who was clearly better than Justin.

5 guards ahead of him. While this year we have Jair and Yuta.

and 3 unproven freshman guards/wings Mazzulla Nolan and Jack.

Sometimes this game is about opportunity.

My good friend went to Clemson used to talk about this kid Landry Nnoko averaged 1ppg his frosh year. Ended up starting every game rest of his career even playing NBA summer league multiple years. Impossible? I don't necessarily agree with that.

From video, think we should even try to play Bo at the 3 (he has good footwork can handle a little his shot mechanics aren't bad) with Yuta at 2 and go long and Athletic. 

That extended zone was lethal last year imagine rotating Yuta and Bo at the top and we've had success with our big long athletic lineups, (NIT year with Pato and Yuta locking up guards.) We can gang rebound here and run out like you are saying.

We could have some depth honestly with versatile guys that can play a few different positions -  

Jair, Mazzulla

Yuta, Terry, Williams, Jack

Bo, Yuta, Jack, Williams 

Steeves, Bo, Langarica, Yuta

Toro, Steeves  

 

 

 

 

 

 

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the mv9/6/2017 9:52:03 AM

Mentz, I was all ready to say "great one" about Dokun until I looked up his freshman stats.  Despite low production, he managed to play in 26 out of 29 games for a total of 184 minutes.  Again, Justin Williams played 33 minutes over 7 games.

GWMBB, I understand the point about competition but that doesn't alter what I'm saying.  Jordan had even more competition in the backcourt during his freshman year and still managed to play in 35 out of 38 games, for a total of 163 minutes.  He didn't play much, but my point is that he played.  Justin, for all intents and purposes, did not.  And my point again is that it is extremely rare to find a guy who essentially did not play his freshman year (for reasons other than injury) go on to become a significant contributor.

free quebec9/6/2017 11:19:05 AM

Wait, Baltimore guy is predicting Nolan will be a bust?!?

Because this thread predicts he'll start and everyone is excited about him (expecting him to be top freshman despite Kenner), but Baltimore guy says he'll prove us wrong.

Baltimore guy, why do you think Nolan won't be good?

 

bo knows9/6/2017 12:53:49 PM

I think Terry is going to be just fine. He is battle tested having played in the BCL and having to face D1 caliber guards almost every night. He also played on the UA circuit. Plus, I am told he is a worker and high character kid. You can never guarantee anything since this is all projection and we have to see how he fares under the bright lights of A-10 basketball. However, he has all the things you look for in a prospect. I expect he will make a positive impact this year whether starts or not. 

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bmore guy9/6/2017 2:28:21 PM

Terry will do very well at GW on and off to the court.  He's 100% healthy as well. He will only get better as he gets physically stronger. He has stuff you can't teach. Also, knows how play very good bball iq. 

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the mv9/6/2017 3:24:54 PM

So Straw Man, I mean Bmore Guy, where have you seen anyone knock Terry to the point where you claim that "lots of us" will be proven wrong?  The only mention of him on this thread is that he's projected to be a starter.  The vast majority of mentions on this site have been overwhelmingly positive towards him.  I don't understand this "prove us wrong" nonsense, at least based on what has been posted here.

ziik the senile old man9/6/2017 3:41:44 PM

Bmore guy:

Ignore the nattering nabobs of negativism. They are holdovers from Spiro Agnew, your old Governator.

Come back. Tell us more. Be careful over in Bmore. 

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flush9/8/2017 12:43:59 PM

Devastated that Goss and Marfo won't be in the mix. 

bobo9/8/2017 1:21:36 PM

I think Bmore Guy is the same dude that was always hating on Tony Taylor.

dmvpiranha9/8/2017 3:49:23 PM

Full 2017-2018 Season Preview: Link

 

the dude9/8/2017 4:10:56 PM

Pretty good Preview.  Just the right amount of Kool Aid. 

mentzinger9/9/2017 10:26:15 AM

Turns out "unexpectedly" losing 6'11", 6'10" and 6'7" may leave a big hole in your roster

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maine fan9/9/2017 12:58:28 PM

I'm not sure most of us are prepared for a below 500 season, the only thing on our side is that everyone else sucks too besides rhody 

the dude9/9/2017 1:32:39 PM

Mentz, do you mean Marfo and Goss?  Devastating losses like, losing the Miguel & Nick duo.

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mentzinger9/9/2017 4:14:14 PM

Marfo, Goss and Collin Smith, who I think will be very good

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the dude9/9/2017 4:31:24 PM

Collin is a real loss.  The other two seemingly couldn't play at this level.  I wouldn't use the word unexpected either (as to those two at least)

I think you were also off by an inch about Marfo, but not in the direction most would think. 

 

 

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maine fan9/11/2017 10:10:50 AM

thats not what you were saying a year ago, we all believed marfo to be the best recruit weve ever got and an immediate impact. then again what do we really know about this game.

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mike k9/12/2017 8:03:31 AM

Can someone (BM?) post the roster spreadsheet showing the next 4 years?  Thanks

bm9/12/2017 9:37:15 AM

Here you go Mike

the mv9/12/2017 9:43:28 AM

In a good mood today so let's offer up a possible defense of The Dude.  Mentzinger was the first to use the word unexpectedly, seemingly sarcastically, within the context of players transferring out.  The Dude's response was that two of the three (Marfo, Goss) couldn't play at this level anyway (re: no big loss) but then went on to say that he wouldn't use the word unexpected when referring to Marfo and Goss.  Because The Dude made his remark immediately after commenting that they couldn't play at this level, the statement had the look of The Dude saying that it shouldn't be unexpected to find that Marfo and Goss couldn't play at this level, which is how Maine Fan interpreted it.  And given that this is The Dude, making an entirely contradictory remark (given his earlier praise for Marfo) would not exactly be unprecedented.  However, I do believe that The Dude's reference was to Marfo and Goss transferring out of the program, that this is not what should be regarded as unexpected given the seasons they endured.  So, I'd give The Dude a pass here.

ziik the soothsayer9/12/2017 9:49:51 AM

I do not yet see a 'The' in front of Dude.

I am perplexed by a MV feel good day.

Life is so strange.

Who would have foreseen a Trumpian Ascendency? 

Now, a MV good mood? 

Same year as Total Eclipse in U.S. and Howard win over NCAA D-One team.

Alabama, beware.

Thank you, Bo. You knew.

the mv9/12/2017 10:12:09 AM

In my last post, I referenced The Dude 7 times and the word The appears in front of the word Dude 7 times.  Can't bat any higher than that.

ziik the senile old man9/12/2017 10:36:27 AM

My cousin can read, MV. But barely. 

My guess, he is not criticizing The Learned MailVan, he is stating that Dude has not yet earned "The" status.

I trust you appreciate the foibles of the elderly. (He is my senior by a generation, and I am a geezer.)

Your writing, on this post, is 1.000 perfect, as always.

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