By: Mentzinger (3,646 posts) - 5/29/2015 1:14:32 PM

By: Willie (36 posts) - 5/29/2015 1:35:24 PM

At the time, the Jessie shot bothered me. Now, knowing what I know, Jessie should have been given a medal instead of an intentional foul. Jarvis was sending us a signal - Penders and Brown were not good fits for GW.

By: Thomas (1,146 posts) - 5/29/2015 3:53:13 PM

I was at that game, and remember the loud boos from the crowd when they saw the replay of what happened to Sirvaliant. I know a lot of GW fans do not have fond memories of Sirvaliant's brief stay at GW, but he was outstanding in the BB&T. I recall that he went to the locker room after the "low blow", then came back and hit a bunch of tough shots down the stretch to seal the win for GW. He played very well against Maryland again the next day.

By: THE DUDE (529 posts) - 5/29/2015 4:01:59 PM

I'm still wondering 15 years later how a team that had Val Brown Chris Monroe and Mike King could be so bad for 2 seasons.  (Pat Ngonba and Iturbe too for you fans of muscle frontcourt players)


By: Thomas (1,146 posts) - 5/29/2015 4:11:10 PM

The Dude,  great question!!!  Maybe it was Penders? Looking at that article, I was suprised to see that St.John's was actually ranked 19 coming into that game.

On a side note, I had forgotten about St.John's point guard Omar Cook, who had a terrible game against GW that day. He was one of the many cautionary tales of guys who get a lot of hype in high school and declare too early for the NBA draft after a year or two in college. He was billed as the next great NYC point guard in the mold of Kenny Anderson and Stephon Marbury.

By: herve (9,159 posts) - 5/29/2015 4:16:35 PM

Penders said: "just roll the ball out on the court and go get it"--that was the extent of ALL his coaching. Val and Chris were rarely on the court at the same time and those teams were very far from deep. Put that all together and you just plain don't win very much.

By: THE DUDE (529 posts) - 5/29/2015 4:34:46 PM

Haha Thomas and Herve, surely it was mostly Penders.  I'd say terrible coaching but "no coaching" is probably more accurate. 

Pairing returning 15pt 5 board 3 assist 2 steal Mike King with 2 tremendous young scorers and a veteran frontcourt, that had just gone to the NCAA, sure looks at lot better than a  pair of 15-15 & 14-18 seasons. 

By: GW Alum Abroad (2,456 posts) - 5/29/2015 5:53:12 PM

This was also the era when Larry Lebo (universally accepted by all here as "an evil pant-load") stalked the A-10. Mostly, those teams fell short because teamwork was secondary to individual highlights, I think the team had one of the worst assists-to-turnovers ratios in the country. The sum was definitely less than the parts.

By: THE DUDE (529 posts) - 5/29/2015 6:27:32 PM

The incredible thing about Penders was that he had won at Tufts, Columbia, Fordham, just fantastic jobs at 3 terribly tough places to win. Of course won big at Rhodey and Texas too.  Always thought for some reason at GW he was content just mailing it in.

 That he went on to do a pretty good job at Houston after his GW disaster just rubs it in.

By: ziik (2,950 posts) - 5/29/2015 6:53:08 PM

Penders had major heart surgeries before GW, including the installation of a defibrillator. 

One of his famous "goof-off" episodes, where he was seen lying on the bench during game time, was heart related. 

I am pretty certain he "delegated" his job at GW to his son, largely because of the heart issues. Most of the claims that he was drinking were ridiculous, given his heart complications. 

It took me 3 full years to come back from my (similar) heart issues, and I still was medically and legally disabled.

I do not know TP personally, but he was my brother's counselor at UConn in the 60's. By all reports, he was a great guy, and his entire family is well regarded at UConn. I think his brother runs the baseball program. Both have received UConn's highest Alumnus awards.

I am not excusing him, but he looks sleazier than he is. He's sort of like Rod Stewart in that regard. He should have gone to a different hair style 40 years ago.

By: THE DUDE (529 posts) - 5/29/2015 9:34:50 PM

Interesting Ziik, didn't realize the full extent of his health issues or how they may have impacted his coaching. 

In his first calendar year at GW, he won 20 games and took the team to the NCAA tourney (very similar year and team to the final Jarvis season except Jarvis had Koul to play C) and landed Monroe and Val Brown in recruiting.  Its the next 2 seasons that were a complete disaster both on the court, off the court, and in the recruiting game.  So not sure how the health issues (which occured at the end of this Texas run) would fit into all of that.

By: ziik (2,950 posts) - 5/29/2015 9:48:00 PM

Not trying to excuse the guy, Dude. He clearly was not much of a game coach. 

But try to imagine your life if your current heart capacity, no matter what it is, is cut by 2/3, or worse. 

And, I think there is genuine hate for the guy on this board. That is just dumb. He gets hammered for SirVal not being a student, and for Attila being a Hun. A slew of guys were complicit in those decisions, and until the shit hit the fan, most all of us were ok with the team.


By: THE DUDE (529 posts) - 5/29/2015 10:27:07 PM

Oh, to be clear Ziik, I'm intrigued by the health angle, its the most plausible account of how a Coach who did such a great job at like 6 other schools was such a dud here.

Also, you're right, I agree about the TP treatment here, at least what I've read of it.

By: THE DUDE (529 posts) - 5/29/2015 10:30:09 PM

Those TP teams were much worse in record than on paper. So too was this team led by a different HC.  12-17 with this starting 5:

Chris Monroe

TJ Thompson

Omar Williams

Mike Hall


By: Mike K (1,177 posts) - 5/29/2015 10:44:36 PM

By the way, it is Mike KING

By: THE DUDE (529 posts) - 5/29/2015 11:13:00 PM

No, it was Mike Hall. 

Mike Hall/Pops/Omar/TJ/Monroe (02/03)

Mike King/Val/Monroe (99-01, see above)

By: Mike K (1,177 posts) - 5/30/2015 5:46:41 AM

His name is Mike KING, not King.

By: Thomas (1,146 posts) - 5/30/2015 8:05:52 AM

The Dude,  that 02-03 team started 3 freshman and a sophomore along with Chris Monroe, who despite being a great player, never had a winning season at GW. There was also some hope for the future because of how well TJ and the 3 freshman played. A lot of people could see that better days were ahead with that group of young players. Weren't those guys a lock for an NCAA tourney bid the next season(2003-2004), until they faded late in the season??

By: GW Alum Abroad (2,456 posts) - 5/30/2015 9:42:28 AM

TP may have not done his best coaching at GW, but I think what really irks people is that when a player told him about the charges stemming from a sexual assault in a university dorm that had been filed, TP told the player not to worry, kept playing him and failed to report this to the AD. That and his nepotistically hired assistant was violating NCAA rules by letting players rack up hundreds of dollars in long distance phone calls on the school's dime. That the teams underperformed on the court was not the core reason for his being shown the door.


As a fairly new reader and poster of this esteemed board, its impossible to not detect an air of defeatism among some of the loyal and thoughtful writers. 1) Any highly successful coach will just .... 2) We can't ever land a legit top recruit 3)


Put down the pitchforks

Let me preface this by saying I know I'll probably get ripped for this and called a Hobbs sympathizer or whatever. The team has been frankly brutal so far this year and I'm not trying to defend either the coaching staff or the players for this. I und