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Official college football smack-talking thread
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1/6/2010 10:11:00 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Since Ohio St sucks this year, I figure our gracious host herve will not start this thread, so I will. 

Go Ducks Go!

Fight Ducks Fight!



Win Ducks Win!

I wonder who the Quack Attack will get to smack around in Pasadena in January-- Florida, 'Bama or TCU? And I love that despite having a payroll over the NFL salary cap, U$C is still going to wind up in El Paso for the Sun Bowl. 

11/1/2009 5:53:00 PM - seneca - 876 posts (#29)

Just remember despite one game, USC will always be your daddy! Looking forward to net year's beatdown at the Coliseum.

11/1/2009 6:06:00 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)
Ah, the rich tradition of Oregon football....I mean there's last night.....and last night....don't forget last night!
11/1/2009 6:38:00 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)
My Gators managed to win their 18th in a row by overcoming a ginger in an intimidating black helmet.  Spikes will poke your damned eyes out if you care to disagree.  CHOMP!
11/2/2009 9:47:00 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)
Grounds for dismissal from the planet?
11/2/2009 10:46:00 AM - notta hater - 2,346 posts (#11)
how can you say that Oregon does not have a history when it produced Norv Turner
11/2/2009 12:08:00 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)
While I can't completely defend Spikes' actions I have to say Richt didn't fall far from the Bowden tree when it comes to teaching his kids how to be cheap-shot artists and that guy in particular had it coming.   An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind but if the gun-shy SEC refs are going to sit back while they gouge your eyes out, claw your skin off, and late hit you,  you might as well not be the only guy needing a walking stick at the end of the game.
11/2/2009 1:17:00 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Herve-- glad you chimed in here on this thread (since Ohio St is headed for a bowl so obscure it will be on the NFL Network instead of ESPN). Nice video, though it does not top the one of Woody Hayes punching out that kid from Clemson. (I jest, my grandparents went to Ohio St, though for some reason they and their classmates from Shaker Heights that graduated in the '30's and 40's-- including Howie Metznbaum-- never had the devotion to Hayes that everyone else did).  

I don't think Florida would give UofO much of a game, like U$C they are a one-trick pony with a QB incapable of adjusting. 'Bama does scare me--what a defense-- and I think TCU has the speed to match the Ducks but not the depth.

11/2/2009 1:20:00 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Oh, and Oregon also produced Dan Fouts, Ahmad Rashad and Akili Smith. Hey, two out of three ain't bad.

When I was there (I attended UofO before transferring to GW), they used to have victory parties on Friday night during football season. The reason was simple, there were never any victories to celebrate on Saturday night.

11/2/2009 1:26:00 PM - notta hater - 2,346 posts (#11)
I think his name was Bobby Moore while at Oregon.  Not to drift too far off topic, but is Fouts in the NFL HOF and if not, why not?
11/2/2009 2:32:00 PM - kdb sa - 1 posts (#242)
NH, he (Fouts) is.
11/2/2009 5:55:00 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

A UofO/Boise St rematch would be a great National Championship Game. But since there is too much TV money involved, two teams from the Pacific Time Zone will never play each other for the title. That said, Boise could not even score as many points Saturday at home against San Jose St as Oregon scored on U$C.

11/2/2009 7:10:00 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)

I'd take the U over any of those chump teams any saturday for the rest of this year.  You play a schedule like miami did- where you give yourself no room for error and end up playing 7 games against top 25 ranked opponents...and the majority of all your players are underclassmen and only getting better...then its hard pressed for any true college football fan to deny that by early as net year the U can win the national title again.

Just wish the freakin gators were playin more like the Seminoles to make my life a bit easier DB   :-)

11/3/2009 8:04:00 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)
Stay classy Gainesville!
11/3/2009 8:35:00 AM - AC - 130 posts (#131)
I'll take my Maryland Terrapins against... Oh, never mind...
11/3/2009 8:57:00 AM - Tennessee Colonial - 1,033 posts (#27)
Gators or Tide couldn't take the Vols now. Or, should I say, when we get a field goal kicker.
11/3/2009 9:59:00 AM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)

Stop it Levinator, I beg of you.  Yes they are much-improved.  National championship net season?  They lost to Clemson.  At home.  Clemson, who lost to....Maryland.  Enough said.

11/3/2009 10:23:00 AM - notta hater - 2,346 posts (#11)
so, nobody is taking old dominion?
11/3/2009 10:44:00 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)
Miami of Florida won't win a national title because, true to the school's tradition, most of the players will be in correctional facilities before they use up their elligibility. While the Dade Country private school does emulate U$C in many ways (high player salaries, low admission standards, no clases, etc...), they are yet to figure out that you can't win games when players are in the pokey. Oh yeah, we got the smack talking going on now!
11/3/2009 11:18:00 AM - seneca - 876 posts (#29)

Really that's funny - check out the latest US News and World Report School Rankings:

National Universities

USC #26

U. Miami #50

Univ. of Oregon #115

Inferior football, inferior academics - We are Oregon!

11/3/2009 11:24:00 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)
GWAA doesn't root for a football team, he roots for a string of fashion statements.  When the ducks start spending as much time beating their non-BCS opponents as they spend picking out their net outfit I'll start taking them seriously.
11/3/2009 11:53:00 AM - notta hater - 2,346 posts (#11)

University of South Carolina is that high?

11/3/2009 6:34:00 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)
DB-- are you suggesting that the black pants of differing lengths on Saturday were not a good idea? Actually, I thought the Ducks could have been better dressed, too. The earth-tone colour schemes this season are OK, but I am a bit of a traditionalist and would not mind a return to the bright green and bright yellow combos of yesteryear. At least the unis are not as ugly as the ones at Penn State.
11/3/2009 6:36:00 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)
Hey Seneca-- if you think the football pros at either U$C or its Florida imitator even know where to find a classroom on campus then after selling you some prime bridge real estate in New York I want to talk to you about this can't miss opportunity to help a Nigerian prince recover his family fortune.
11/3/2009 7:29:00 PM - seneca - 876 posts (#29)
They may not know where the classroom is but unlike Oregon at least there is a classroom somewhere on campus.  BTW, does wearing a duckhead and making that stupid "o" symbol suffice for graduation? And just to let you know my toddler nephew was watching the game and yelling "dickhead" everytime he saw one of those ridiculous get-ups (because he doesn't pronounce his words well yet) and I said "that's pretty close my man." LOL.
11/6/2009 6:59:00 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)
OK, another weekend of college football is here. It will be interesting to see which team(s) ahead of Oregon in the BCS go down. The Ducks are at Snobford, far from an elite team but no longer the doormat they once were. Someday folks out east will understand just how killer of a conference the Pac-10 is and have more respect for it. Until then, keep sounding off on pretenders from the ACC and Big Least, just makes you look foolish.
11/6/2009 8:49:00 PM - hooper - 259 posts (#79)

SEC !!!!!

11/7/2009 4:44:00 AM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)

Damn i missed 4:20.  oh well.  Shouts going out to the U.  big week to keep it rollin.  praise the lord that D MV ain't a U fan.  Clearly doesn't know much if he doubts miami is a national contender net year already.   THey have such an unusual bond- surely you have n clue- and they have gotten better eponentially over the past two years.  Regardless---you're insignificant when it comes to Lev's attention on CF matters.  (just kidding Mailvan

DB- GWAA Herve-  some of oyur seasons have already ended.  some will do so real real soon.  The U will backdoor sneak in to a BCS game...and you betcha bottoms they will be palying for the title or a top 3 position net year.  

Lev thinks that a major shock will come out of 2009.

11/7/2009 9:28:00 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)
Herve, don't quit your day job!
11/7/2009 9:42:00 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)
The only way a small private school in Miami not playing in a real conference can compete for the DIA national championship is if they start paying their players and recruiting whatever thug can handle the rock.  Lev, are you trying to tell us Randy has taken some pages out of the Howard/Jimmy/Dennis playbook?  If so you can email details to me at violations@ncaa.org.  I'd love to hear more.
11/7/2009 11:34:00 AM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)

Levinator, thanks for your objective analysis of the U.  By the way, you don't sound the slightest bit like some ridiculous, pathetic, over-the-top fan. You know, in case you were worried about sounding like one :)

11/7/2009 1:40:00 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)

You see folks- gator fans are so predictable.  not only do they constantly underscore the academic program built at the U - far superior to that of its friendly northern public party school in Gainseville.  Problem is....without Tebow and the power of Chrisitan faith- you aint got dick!  Just a whole bunch of opened green giant steamer bags and empty Old E 40's lying around your floor DB.   Once he graduates after playing for 8 years- you'll be left in that tailwind that spurrier left when he ditched u. 

D MV- If only GW had a football program :-)    

11/7/2009 5:33:00 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)
Lev's comparing "the U" to a real university academically!  Is that a joke or have you stumbled upon some killer shrooms?

And GWAA, Ducks are looking awesome against Stanford in the first half.  Maybe the NCAA should scrap that crystal BCS trophy and just hand out a tin can to team that looks the most awesome being down by 17 at the half to Stanford.
11/7/2009 5:51:00 PM - BLACKBERRY - 591 posts (#36)
Check what Stanford is currently doing to Oregon
11/7/2009 7:34:00 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)
All hail Oregon, the best team in the nation to have Stanford hang more than half a hundred on them.  The Ass-Pac 10 now deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the ACC, Big 10, Big 12, and Big East because of Oregon and all their glory.  I always thought the Boise States of the world were clowns but all the rest of the crappy BCS conferences are now giving them an argument.  More evidence on why the National Championship should be given out on December 5th in Atlanta. 
11/8/2009 5:26:00 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Who was the moron who started this thread in the first place? That guy must be a total wanker!

I must say what a devastating debacle. To have a spot in the National Championship all but wrapped up and then to go a choke like that to Stanford? On the other hand, the consolation for Oregon is a trip to the Grandaddy Of Them All where they will whip whatever scrubs the Big 10 sends to Pasadena. Without their BCS tie-in, it would be hard to see any ACC or Big Least team playing in a bowl on broadcast TV.

And why hasn't a certain former PB chair who lurks here come on to boost his favoured Longhorns?

11/8/2009 7:25:00 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)
If it's any consolation, this year is one of the least fun years to be a Gator fan.  UF has obviously been in the national championship conversation in years past but having them be number 1 from the beginning until now has been painful.  Every weekend whomever they play brings their A game and a regular old win doesn't feel like a win.  I sincerely hope they don't slip up against inferior competition and win it all this year but I'm ready for net season already despite the fact that I don't think UF will even be penciled in to Atlanta in August 2010.
11/9/2009 9:22:00 AM - doug sandels - 746 posts (#31)
I wonder if the SEC could borrow some referees for that game in Atlanta so the rest of the country could have an actual understanding of which team is better.  Those SEC refs make the A10 basketball officials look like pillars of competency and impartiality.
11/9/2009 5:05:00 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)


The U has steadily moved on up the past two weeks to the #14 spot in the BCS.  WEven with a pathetic loss they still have beaten the most ranked teams this season.   Unfortunately, their shot for a ACC crown is blocked by unfortunate circumstance- thus- they will easily finish around 7-10 in the BCS by years end and no better. 

Therefore- i humbly suggest yet again- despite all of Mailvan's efforts to force his PelosiCare style tactics on me- that the U is back and WILL be in contention for the championship net year.   The majority of their team is sophomores and a few standout juniors.  Only 2 seniors are leaving who will hit the high drafts.  Surely not a typical Miami year. 

You can squabble all you want.  I'll hang my hat on 5 national championships in the past 25 years.   :-) 

11/9/2009 5:35:00 PM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)
Now I get it Lev.  The U can win a national championship net year (so CAN Maryland by the way) and they WILL contend for a national championship.  How about you agree to define these nebulous thoughts so I can decide whether to agree or disagree with your assessment?  If this season plays out as epected, I would make the statement that there were three schools (Florida, Alabama and Teas) who contended for a national championship.  Do you see it as 3 as well, or more like 17?
11/9/2009 6:07:00 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)

D MV-  Unfortunately, college football is NOT like college baseball or college basketball for that matter, in that it crowns a national championship after only 1 round of playoffs.  Therefore, any team with 2 losses is already out of the national picture.  any team with 1 loss must wait for teams ahead of them to lose first to be included.  Since there are still 5 unbeaten teams- it would be hard pressed not to include all % in the national title picture.  since UF and Alabama still have to play and BSU and TCU rollin on through- that leaves Teas with the "easist" path tot he national picture game.  They might get a slight challenge in the Big 12 tourney though.   So- as it pertain to this year only, I'd say 5 teams have a good shot at finding their way in, with only 3 controlling their own destiny son.

As for the U-  Randy Shannon has turned that program around much differently then any other coach has done before.  if you read the unfortunate biography of Shannon's family life- you'd see eactly why he is regarded as the Tony Dungy of the NCAA.  It's pathetic to listen to a bunch of SEC, big 10 and Big 12 boys talk about the "criminals and mischiefs" at the U - their program is built on respect, speed and moie- all which define national championship teams.  The past is the past.  Remember when FSU and Notre Dame used to win.  Remember when the Big East used to play football?  

So to that I simply say--- the U is back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

11/9/2009 7:36:00 PM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)
Levinator, or should I start calling you son in an annoying manner as well, there's actually 6 undefeated teams remaining, not 5.  And be it fair or unfair, if Teas runs the table, they play Alabama-Florida winner for the national title assuming neither loses beforehand.  And since my supposition indicated that if things play out as epected, this leaves these 3 schools with the only chance at the national championship.  TCU, Boise and Cincinnati are not in the national championship picture unless someone other than the Alabama-Florida loser also loses.
11/9/2009 8:40:00 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)

Oy vey i concede!  I too forgot the Big east still played football

This is so much fun on a slow day of work!  Only choice but to defend against  the instigatin' Mail man.   

Lev  vs Mailvan   -  showdown at sundown. 

Lev comments on a thread and D MV/Blue Seats/Mailvan attacks his reply regardless.  He even accuses Lev of being an anti-yankee.  We call that a putz in new york.!  So mailman- get your dogbites on cause you certainly don't scare me at all.  I ain't ziik, I ain't an ultra pro-admin poster, I ain't any of the other long time posters here who have suffered but dealt through your horseshit and collar shtick.  Heck- without you, threads would never hit a recap.  But- sometimes you shoot so much salad, someone's gotta slow your roll.   

lev out

11/9/2009 9:07:00 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)
Florida's angling for its sith national championship since 1997 in the revenue generating sports that people seem to care so much about.  I'd like to see those spoiled carpetbaggers at "the U" one up that.  Feel free to dig into the history books all you need to son.
11/9/2009 9:14:00 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)

Damn you DB!  have your fun in the sun boss!  i hope you're working on your tan cause it's going to be a long and cold way down once the tebow train leaves town  !    i will have you know that us "carpetbaggers" love every minute of Miami-Dade when we come to dump Benjamins into your sinking floridian economy.  Then we drop our grandparents off and leave em to die!   Oy- the truth hurts more than any other comeback  :-)


11/10/2009 5:53:00 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)
Lev, guess what we're doing to your Grandma and Grandpa when you're not looking!
11/10/2009 11:52:00 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)
Lev is funny. Miami of Florida should not even be playing on New Year's Day and he is here praising a team that only makes bail bondsmen happy. Then he talks as if the Big Least ever played competitive football when we all know it is a conference with even less pedigree than the MAC. At least he brings a smile to my face when I should be crying in my granola over the fate of the Ducks.
11/10/2009 4:06:00 PM - seneca - 876 posts (#29)
I am surpriseed GW Alum Abroad is still chirping when his team got beat by Stanford. Hopefully now his #115 ranked education realizes that his Ducks are just a team - not a program - and he will stop trying to compare his pretenders to the likes of real programs like USC, Florida, Ohio State, Miami, etc. How's that BCS Bowl working out for you now? Don't worry, you have now have Blount back to punch somebody after your net loss.
11/10/2009 6:19:00 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)
seneca-- I am just trying to convince myself that the smell of sweet, sweet roses is stronger than the stench of the loss to Stanford. Oh yeah, the Rose Bowl is a BCS bowl and the winner of the Pac 10 (which UofO leads, BTW) gets a bid to it. Where is U$C headed this year? Ohio St? Happy New Year!
11/10/2009 6:55:00 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)
UNC, Duke, USF.  Would it surprise anyone who has watched more than a single college football game if Miami loses all three?  And what's with all the empty seats at Landshark?  Looked like a Marlins game last weekend against UVA.  I suspect it will take a national championship run to bring all the fair weather Hurricane fans out of their Tim Tebow jerseys.  Though I don't really want "the U" to win another game I'll be happy to see all those toothless methheads back in green and orange.  Notice there was no problem filling the seats at Ben Hill even when Zook was in charge.
11/10/2009 6:57:00 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)
Be careful what you ask for GWAA as Oregon will be playing Ohio State in the Rose Bowl.
11/10/2009 7:02:00 PM - doug sandels - 746 posts (#31)
Only if Ohio State can get past the juggernaut that is Iowa.  Big Ten football is such a disaster.
11/10/2009 7:16:00 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)
wish I could argue with you, but Ohio State is a year away from being anything but average and they're still going to win this bad conference. the glory days are certainly gone.
11/10/2009 7:23:00 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)
herve, you need Notre Dame to join your conference! 
11/11/2009 1:14:00 AM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)

OK DB- let's do one of our wagers form years past. 

If the U wins out-  DB sends Lev his choice bottle of bourbon.

If the U loses one of the net 3 games- Lev sends DB his choice bottle of bourbon

DEAL?  oh man do I feel good about this! 

PS-  I'm so pissed how much $$ is going from Lev and Lev's fam to build this NEWEST home when you see inability to fill the whole stadium.  Rest assured- these knuckleheads will be motivated to show up when we return as a national power for many years to come.  It takes money to build, but it takes people to mobilize an effort.  Drop your 40 of old E, get your pajamas off, turn off the daytime soap, shave your fucking face, put the bible back into the drawer from off the Tebow wall poster and then watch on your TV as we take the crown in 2010-11.  Cause we dont want your ugly ass filling up even our empty seats   

love ya man- lets make this bet!

11/11/2009 10:46:00 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)
Now that the Big 10 officials don't have to help Iowa stay unbeaten, it is possible another "Suckeyes" could get to Pasadena, but I still think the MAC champ would likely provide a better game than the Big 10 one this year. Like the Big 12 (minus Teas), the Big 10 has really fallen on hard times and I don't know what eplains it (good TV deal, BCS tie-in, good stadium revenue streams, etc...).
11/11/2009 11:49:00 AM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)
I'm reading here about all of this Big 10 bashing and I really don't get it.  Unless your only measurement of a successful conference is the number of national championship contenders.  Clearly, the five other BCS conferences all had at least one school that at least as of last week, was still seriously alive for a national championship (then again, so was Iowa).  However, in measuing an entire conference, parity should also be considered.  According to the Sagarin ratings, Indiana, the worst rated team in the Big Ten, is also the best last place team of any conference in the country.  The Big 10 has four top 25 rated teams along with the ACC.  The Pac 10 has 6, the SEC and Big East have 3 and the Big 12 has 2.  I'd venture to say that if there was a conference vs. conference challenge along the lines of what basketball does, the Big 10 would clearly lose against the SEC and the Pac 10.  After that, they'd likely be able to hold their own against any other conference.  The Big 10 has no great teams but plenty of good ones.
11/11/2009 12:44:00 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)
In a word: coaching. The Big Ten has the most backward coaches in America. It's as if they all got together ten years ago and made a pact to not have to watch game film or make game plans for nine games every season because everyone was going to be equally conservative on both sides of the ball.

People use to bark about team speed and recruiting, but that all ended about 8 years ago. Big Ten teams have first class recruiting, facilities, fans, traditions, stadiums. Big Ten teams have Division II level coaching.
11/11/2009 2:02:00 PM - doug sandels - 746 posts (#31)
DII level coaching would be quite an improvement at Minnesota. 
11/11/2009 3:02:00 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)
MV-- the Big 10's measuring stick is the Pac 10. If the Big 10 does not measure up to the Pac 10 then it is in the dumps, and right now it is in the dumps as I think pitting the Big 10 1 vs Pac 10 1, Big 10 2 vs Pac 10 2, etc... would turn out 10-0 in the Pac 10's favor. And Herve is right, this 9 in the bo style of football being played in the midwest is enough to make most people college hockey fans. Yawn.
11/11/2009 3:50:00 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)
It's actually rush 4, drop two backers into no-mans-land zone and play soft corners and safety on defense, keeping everything 15 yards in front of you at all times on defense.

On offense, it's I-formation runs with lead full-backs off of slow hand-offs and first and second down, then two men out wide for obvious 3rd and long pass play.

Must be tough to gameplan this stuff.

The only difference is I think Ohio State's defense has now learned (a bit) on how to play against the read-option and spread offense which will keep them in almost any game. If the "good Pryor" shows up for most of the game, then OSU should beat any PAC-10 team, including any rematch with USC (USC was actually given a TD early in that game when they were stuffed on 4th and 1 at the goal line which would have been the difference in that one) or just plain out-muscling Oregon. Versus any SEC team, it's deer-in-head-lights for OSU right now because they have no clue how to play talent-vs-talent on both sides of the ball despite having equal skill sets.
11/13/2009 12:28:00 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

OK, it is from the hometown paper of two Pac 10 teams, but if you easterners would stay sober and awake long enough to watch the Pac 10 you would realize that it is true...


11/13/2009 2:18:00 PM - seneca - 876 posts (#29)
Herve - the one thing people underestimate about USC is team speed. They've got lineman that run like linebackers. Linebackers that run like defensive backs, etc. The probelm is that that this year's group is a little undisciplined and they have suffered tremendous injuries compared to years past. But when you lose as many starters as USC lost, it will take a season or so to get it down. I would not want to play USC net season. This year they are just your average top 10 team. Net year if they stay healthy watch out. Superior athletes plus superior coaching is a tough combo.
11/14/2009 7:25:00 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)
Go Canes! Oops! Go Trojans! Oops! And, as ALWAYS, go Wolverines! If ND can lose big tonight it will be a GREAT day!

Does anybody know of an unemployed coach who is not also the most conservative man who ever lived? Have them call the city of Columbus....PLEASE!!!!!
11/14/2009 7:47:00 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)

Sure glad DB didn't man up and takes this year's bet.  Butch would have put a dagger in my heart ;-) 

Hey Herve- there is always net year.  Sure sounds like I'm a gw fan...

(Still thugh- that was a forward lateral and even though miami didnt deserve to win- it sure would be helpful for officiating to be honest)

11/14/2009 9:24:00 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)
I should check GWHoops more often.  Would have had a bottle of Old Crow en route!  Man those Canes suck ass.  Until today I didn't even know the Tarheels had a football team.  Remember when paying players and giving criminals scholarships was enough to win games?  I guess the 80s was just a weird decade. 
11/15/2009 3:20:00 AM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
DB-  you know damn well you wouldn't ein a head ot head.  you pusses lost so  many to us you just couldn't commit to the every other year offer.  Tebow train is gone so wathc your back1  and yes...you would have had the deserved bottle of crow ya old hag!
11/15/2009 6:46:00 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)
Florida doesn't commit to home and homes with FAU, UCF, USF, JU, FAMU, or BC either.  The state mandates they play one second tier Florida club a year but there's just no incentive to willfully agree to visit the others every other year and lose the revenue.  If Miami wants to visit Gainesville every year they're welcome to reach out to the athletic department I'm sure Jeremy Foley will take the call. 

Knock, knock.
Who's there?
It's me, Michael Irvin.
Michael Irvin who?
Michael Irvin in my cammos with a gun coming for my daily allotment of crack and whores Donna Shalala that's who mutha funker.  This is the "U" and we "U"ndisciplined, "U"namateur, "U"neducated," "U"nfit for life outside the state penn.
11/15/2009 1:19:00 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

So, does $nobford's thrashing of U$C diminish the value of Oregon's loss to Snobford or diminish the value of their win over U$C. And with Cal beating UofA, everything is starting to smell roses.

11/22/2009 4:58:00 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)
Now Civil War is doubling as the Pac 10 Championship Game for the first time ever. Now I want those calculator brains from a third-rate tech school stuck in a cow town to lose two games-- Civil War and the game at the Smith Center. Here's hoping the Beavs get their hearts broken on both coasts!!!!
11/30/2009 12:30:00 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)
The Pac 10 Championship Game approaches. After watching Stanford beat Nortre Dame, is there any doubt the Pac 10 is the BEST conference in the country?
11/30/2009 9:09:00 AM - AC - 130 posts (#131)
11/30/2009 12:26:00 PM - doug sandels - 746 posts (#31)
Saturday's a huge day: Nebraska could be back!!!!

Bo Pelini finally stopped messing around with the West Coast, spread offense garbage and decided to return to smashmouth football for all the children of the corn.  Nice to see them just physically manhandling other teams again after the seasons in which Callahan decided it would be fun to be a giant pussy and try to finesse his way to wins.
11/30/2009 6:54:00 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)
12/1/2009 6:57:00 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

I'm smelling another one quarter suspension.


12/4/2009 4:48:00 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)
OK Herve, it is on. I can't see Oregon being less than a 9-point favourite unless since folks in Oregon have better things to do than wager that Ohio residents bet the line down. And Boise St's credentials as BCS contenders is now sealed.
12/4/2009 7:43:00 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)
Should be a good one. I, of course, like the Bucks in it because of their front 7--which is something I do not think Oregon's offensive time can withstand. If Ohio State sits back in a nickel-zone, then I worry about Masouli's passing. The real question to me is whether Ohio State let's Pryor loose and allows him to play a true zone read because if they do he'll get 150 yards himself and OSU will have close to 300 yards rushing. If the coach's play it too close (which they do), then Ohio State will struggle to score any points and, obviously, Oregon is going to score some points.
12/4/2009 8:37:00 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)
I just don't see how Ohio St is going to deal with the variety the Ducks' offense throws at you. I am a bit worried about the soft pass coverage seen last night, but since folks in the midwest mistake the hash marks for the sidelines I am not too concerned. TCU would give Oregon a better game.
12/5/2009 9:05:00 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)
OSU's defense is not what concerns me at all, in fact it's what should concern the Ducks as the only real defense they've faced all year was Boise St and we all know how that turned out. Ohio State's defensive front 7 will wreak havoc with Oregon's offensive timing and they hit a lot harder than anything you've faced this year. Also, I don't really see how OSU doesn't run up 300 yards rushing on that Duck defense. The stats over the last half of the season do not support your argument. Moreover, when you throw-in Oregon's amazing ability to turn the ball over and the fact OSU is second in the country at turnovers caused and one of the top 5 rushing teams in the country against an Oregon team which is statistically un-impressive against the run, you've got the makings for Tressel-ball--low scoring, field position, time-munching and completely controlling. I say OSU 27, Oregon 17 with OSU pulling away with a working cushion late in the 3rd quarter as our running game becomes unstoppable and Oregon's depth becomes an issue.

Having said all of that, I'd give just about anything to have Oregon's offensive play-book used in Columbus.
12/5/2009 11:58:00 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)
Pac10 and Big10 sound interesting.  I'm watching ESPN college game-day today and they haven't mentioned either but maybe I can find something out on Wikipedia.  GWAA and herve, thanks for educating me on those niche leagues.  Sometimes you can get so wrapped up in big time college football you forget that there are places where the kids play not for trophies or publicity but for the love of the game.
12/5/2009 6:25:00 PM - doug sandels - 746 posts (#31)
Hey DB, I sure hope that wasn't a family member of yours who whooped it up before the Dr Pepper throwing challenge and then got beat by a Bama girl.
12/5/2009 6:41:00 PM - Mentzinger - 3,358 posts (#7)
Ah, college football. The only spectator sport that eliminates 95% of competitors from the championship after Week 1 and denies undefeated teams the chance to  compete for a title. Bravo!
12/5/2009 7:48:00 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)
Nice defense DB. Maybe the Gators should have gone after Ingram's eyes more. Oh well. Your seniors can fall back on their UF degrees because this economy is just chock-full of jobs for Criminal Justice majors.
12/5/2009 8:11:00 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)
When the neighborhoods two toughest dogs get in a fight it is the silly cat that mocks the loser.  On another note I feel really sorry for Teas or TCU.
12/5/2009 8:20:00 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)
I recall some saying regarding something about dishing and not taking it as well....maybe I mis-heard amidst Tebow's tears. Now you're just like everyone else who is not undefeated.
12/5/2009 8:40:00 PM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)
Did teary Tebow do that CBS postgame interview for any possible reason other than to tell the entire country, "God bless"?
12/5/2009 10:21:00 PM - doug sandels - 746 posts (#31)
MV, probably because CBS grabbed him and wouldn't let him leave.  Are you seriously ripping on Tebow for being interviewed?  Judging by his actions, it was clear he didn't really want to be on TV at that point in time (he just doesn't get the Belicheck goon-squad to swat them away).
12/6/2009 12:24:00 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)
12/6/2009 12:31:00 PM - doug sandels - 746 posts (#31)
By the way, imagine what's going to happen when Pelini can get some offensive players in Lincoln to pair with his defensive acumen.  What a performance by the D last night.  Suh for Heisman!
12/6/2009 2:28:00 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)
There are many things I will miss about Tim Tebow net season.  The eye black Bible quotes and sideline histrionics are not two of them.  He has a pretty unconventional upbringing so he might outgrow some of that when he gets out into the real world.  I wonder if that game scared Louisville away from Strong.  He deserves a HC job in the worst way but I'll hate to see him go.  Looking forward to net season when a BCS at-large birth will feel like a huge accomplishment.  Now (choke, gag, hold my nose) ROLL TIDE.
12/6/2009 7:46:00 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
Even the U could beat Florida this year.  So glad he got another beatdown.  brock berlin brock Berlin
12/6/2009 8:09:00 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)
If the U could beat Florida this year why were the two teams playing in the U's conference championship destroyed by middling SEC teams destroyed by Florida?  The green-eyed monster lives in Tallahassee but he's got a vacation home in Miami.  Sure it's a tough pill to swallow for the Gator Nation not having a team in the national championship game but a Sugar Bowl bid beats the hell out of a Champs Sports Bowl bid against an unranked Northwestern.  Too bad your interception machine will be under center again net year.  Maybe you all will be able to get your hopes up with the weak schedule though and join the Big 10 and Big 12 as fodder for the national championship game. 
12/7/2009 1:33:00 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)
Hey Lev, enjoy the trip to scenic and oh so eciting Orlando. Also, please don't call me late on Dec 31 to wish me a happy new year, I will be going to be early so as to be awake and fresh for the parade and game the net day (though your season will already have ended).
12/10/2009 11:19:00 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)

DB- ur such a sore loser it's awesome!  your team laid the biggest egg on the national stage and it was classic to watch.  Seeing how Miami has owned the Gators the past few decades- some classic 4th quarter national stage comebacks surely come to mind :-) - i could care less of what trash u talk regarding the ACC. 

I happen to think that the ACC is a fantastic conference.  It has gotten better and better and Vtech, BC and the U have addded a great mi to the traditional southern college football fare resulting in a competitive balance sure to make champions. 

Fact remains- the U has never been coached better and their swagger is WELL DESERVED.  They are not a bunch of convicts and criminals as GWAA and others contend...quite the opposite actually.  Swagger yes...respectful and pillars of community- yes.

So- once again- as we get set to welcome in the New Year...I will once again declare--- that the U will be one of the few teams by net season's end who will viw for the National Championship!  If you care to challenge my claim- feel free!  we have a whole nother year to go at it.   I strongly recommend that any naysayer simply watch the U's bowl game against RANKED Wisconsin and enjoy as you see why Team speed, shear talent and superior athelticism will be on display as the U routs its way through 2010-11.     Miami 41- wisconsin 20

As for you DB-  your Gators were eposed and it was simply grand!  We all loved it and i even sent the U another booster check.  I was so proud to see you get defaced so you shut your face since your return to Florida mediocrity is about to occur. 

GWAA-  fuck the Duck.  the u has more rings since 1985 then the ducks will ever have the net few centuries buddy. 

Herve- good luck against the ducks. 


12/13/2009 1:33:00 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Lev-- the term is "Fuck a duck!" and it was a popular T-shirt at UofO when I was a student there. Despite popular rumor to the contrary, I never heard of any documented case of walking up to a pretty girl and saying "hey babe, want to fuck a duck" ever working. While Miami may have a good team for net year's ACC, the fact remains that ecepting Wazzu (which would have racked up a losing record in DIII) every team in the Pac-10 would have walked away with that conference's title this season.

How is Oregon only a 3.5 pt favorite vs Ohio St in my bowl pool?  

12/15/2009 11:08:00 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)

Truth be told only a few of you have ever really stated who your College Football team preference is!  I know who DB, Herve and GWAA root for, but how about the rest of you?  All talk but can't back it up with your squad of choice?  you bunch of chumps! 

If you're team shopping right now...  Let me leave U with a suggestion from lofty ground    THE U    

12/16/2009 9:52:00 AM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)
For the net two weeks, Levinator, my team of choice is the Wisconsin Badgers.  As far as I'm concerned, the U stands for U are not going to be able to bring down John Clay. (Please accept this as the good-natured post that it's meant to be.)
12/16/2009 10:12:00 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)
I remember the last time the Gators played "the U."  Ended the same way the last game against FAU, FSU, UCF, and FAMU ended.  And I love the myth of "the U" swagger.  Schnell and Johnson were willing to overlook things like classes for a couple of players from Liberty City in order to win some games in the 80s.  Much to president of the U's chagrin many of these non-student players weren't all that into class or obeying the laws.  What is funny to me is how the other players and fans decided because there were a couple of hardened criminals on the team it meant that they too were hard.  Most of the people I see walking down the street in "the U" gear are walking to the 7-11 to see if they can find their misplaced retainer in the garbage can.  Go up to Irving, one of the Blades, or Bratton to tell them how much you want to marry them and see how tough their entourage thinks you are.  I heard that Shockey kid did it one time and after getting passed around as the crews bitch he cried for a week and had to sit on an ice pack for a month.  Yak!  Why am I even entering into a college football conversation with someone who knows so much about college football that he thinks a 3 loss team from a bottom feeding conference is so much better than a 1 loss team from the best conference in the land whose only loss, I might add, is to the soon to be national champions?  It's frustrating like trying to eplain thermal dynamics to a 5 year old.  So to summarize...The U were good in the 80s because they forgot the NCAA was a league for amateur college students, The U fans are a bunch of mentally challenged douchebags whose 120 pound frames couldn't lift the guns they talk about in their fan fiction, and Mr. Lev you don't know jack about jack.  Back to work now there's nothing to see here.
12/16/2009 10:14:00 AM - Tennessee Colonial - 1,033 posts (#27)
The SEC Champioonship game is the REAL National Championship  game!
12/16/2009 11:04:00 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)
The Pac 10 has 7 (count 'em, 7) and will win at least 6 of its bowl games (don't know about Cal). So what is the best conference? The reason Florida and 'Bama made it so far undefeated is because they do not play the rigors of the Pac 10. Make them play Oregon, Oregon St, U$C, Cal etc... week in and week out and they are 4 or 5 loss teams. That said, 'Bama beats Teas, badly.
12/16/2009 12:03:00 PM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)
GWAA, the Pac 10 goes 6 for 7?  That's pretty bold.  I do like the 2 Oregon schools.  Boston College may not win but they ALWAYS show up in the bowl games.  Nebraska gained a ton of confidence playing Teas and knocks off AZ.  Stanford is a great story but Oklahoma's athleticism wins out in the end.  UCLA should be very unmotivated after traveling 3,000 miles to play in a crappy bowl game.  Cal has been a disappointment and should go down to Utah.  I'm looking at 3-4, maybe 4-3 for the Pac 10.
12/18/2009 11:43:00 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

Herve, last time a recruit went apeshit on campus and started threatening people the Gators told him they weren't interested and he showed up on Miami's roster.

12/18/2009 11:52:00 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)
Willie's story
12/18/2009 11:56:00 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

Go Bucks


12/19/2009 5:16:00 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)
Bowl season kicks off today (I know, too many games starting too early, but hey it is not my fault!). You folks back east are about to find out just how well football is played in the Pacific time zone.
12/19/2009 9:08:00 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)

I have so much to say but no time right now so:

DB- you're awesome.  i have no clue how you secured my pic outside my classroom in Coral Gables.   Nonetheless, I could care less if there is nay mystery surrounding my identity (plenty of these pics eist on the U's site- especially under donor families)- so it was bound to happen.   BUT- by you, one of my closest friends on thew site?  Damn  Harsh.  ;-)

As for your shitty gators, shitty gator fans and your rediculous previous bullshit response claiming that the Canes only won in the 80's because of blah blah blah further evidences why it's so damn fun to deal with you and all your absurdties.  That being said, I want to wish you and yours a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.   And dear DB- please don't me share witht he rest of the board the following:

1- The U's record against Florida since 1980  -   how can a gator fan really step to that record?  oy vey

2- Florida's ton of violations that have occurrred since the last one miami got in 1999.  That's 10 years without a violation- whereas UF has over 30.  D'oh!  Cheaters, and many more criminal arrests! 

3-  the fact that the U has won three National championships without any of the "criminals" that DB's old fartie brain can remember :-) 

DB- you are old my friend and apparently still living in the 80's ... and I've seen your white trash neighbors bub so don't play these games with the board.  They are suffering from lack of BS syndrome as it is...hehehe   Oh yea- ask Herve about the U's last championship game gone bad...oy

4- apparently they're playing with the ph balances of the krippie in Gainsville these days DB buddie- cause you appear to be high as a kite!  I don't mind that but you are teaching our youth so...oh who am I kidding?  those minds were screwed from the start.   I just hope you don't break ur bank smokin all that dope on your long way down to mediocrity this net year.  i guarantee you the U will finish higher in the BCS net year and without Tebow- you too would have lost 3-4 games this year.  Enough said you one trick pony boy.   :-)    

5-  Bring on Wisconsin!  Clay and all... the MV   !   BTW- Still don't know who your team is mailvan?  R u saying your just a H8ter? 

12/24/2009 7:22:00 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)
PAC-10 really, really, really does look like the best conference in football.Good thing none of them have to play Mount Union or Grand Valley St.
12/24/2009 10:22:00 AM - doug sandels - 746 posts (#31)
C'mon herve.  It's not like Utah didn't beat the shit out of Satan's SEC squad last year... 
12/24/2009 10:31:00 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)
Well the PAC-10 is 0-2 in their bowl games thus far and looked pretty darn lousy in both. Great defense in that conference, holding most teams to under 50ppg. Time will tell.
12/24/2009 11:18:00 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)
I called the Cal loss but Oregon St sure laid an egg. It was not the defense's fault for the Beavs; who would have thunk their offense would be so turnover-prone? In any case, the Pac 10 is yet to play an eastern team (have to wait for U$C's spanking of BC for that), so don't count the conference out yet. Meanwhile, I am 1-4 in my bowl pool (only got the Utah win right), which means that while I can talk smack, I am a lousy prognosticator--either that or I can honestly say I did not follow Wyoming football too closely this year, which I did not.
12/24/2009 11:41:00 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Hey Herve, it looks like Ohio St is fielding yet another team of upstanding citizens:


12/24/2009 12:11:00 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)
Noticed the Ducks lost a wide receiver for the Rose Bowl for the same reason...also noticed you failed to mention that.
12/24/2009 2:23:00 PM - doug sandels - 746 posts (#31)
I am shocked, SHOCKED, that Cris Carter managed to raise a douchebag of a son.  Who would have ever seen that coming?
12/24/2009 7:13:00 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)

Net on GWhoops.com (OT) edition:

The NCAA announces a final official smack-talking playoff format for 2009-10:

Game 1- Lev versus DB               (Click the DB to see who will surge on top   DB-   )


Game 2- herve vs GWAA  

winner of each game 1 and 2 =  Finals for the College Football Smack -Talking Championship (CFS-TC)

2009-10 Gwhoops-  CFS-TC Champion __________????

Anyone else what to man up and pick your squad?   You have to be a fan of that bowl team - not a bandwagon or a H8ter fan (D MV)  Other rules- your team must be bowl eligible this year (didnt have to accept a bowl bid) and you must target another poster to battle for round 1)  all entries submitted by Dec 25th 12pm- will be accepted and playoff lines will be drawn.  Good luck Men and women of the Football less Gw community.   


12/24/2009 7:55:00 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

I realize this is a cheap shot, but all's fair in love and war...


12/24/2009 11:39:00 PM - doug sandels - 746 posts (#31)
Lev, if you couldn't tell from the thread (and previous college football ones on here), I was raised by parents on the Big Red.
12/24/2009 11:49:00 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)

dougie fresh - Cornell?  hahaha

come on buddy- nebraska needs an opponent!  Who yuo wanna take on in round 1?  Call out another poster! 

We can get this into a 6 or 8 poster- team playoff match! 

12/25/2009 3:08:00 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

While you're busy digging up ancient history, here's something more recent to counter you yahoos: Ohio State led the Big Ten in football players (31) being named to the All Big Ten Academic Team.


12/25/2009 3:25:00 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

That is just because Northwestern lowered its standards.  

I think the Clarrett blog just proves that there is a lot of crap on the Internet, and narcisism is not grounds for being ecluded from its infinite forum.

Back to actual football, how do you think Ohio St will handle the spread and misdirections Massoli and the Duck offense will throw at them? Bottle them up inside and they will eat your corners alive (see Cal, UCLA). Try to keep them inside the hashmarks and you are doomed (see U$C).

12/25/2009 3:37:00 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)
Our linebackers have good speed and are sure solo-tacklers, plus we can get pressure with our front four without having to blitz. I think OSU will blitz the open space behind the play to keep the mis-direction from happening. I think Oregon will move the ball easily and pretty well all game between the 20s, but be forced to settle for some crucial field goals which will hurt them on the scoreboard. I think Oregon's biggest problem will be containing OSU's running attack which will eat clock, wear-down their defense and keep their offense off the field. The defensive comparisons between the two squads and the turnovers stats are pretty heavily in favor of OSU. I still think it's one of the better bowl match-ups out there and it should be very entertaining.
12/26/2009 7:15:00 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)
Poor, poor DB. Looks like it's back to football mediocrity for the Gators. Oh well. It was a good run while it lasted. Gotta stick around for a few decades to be a legendary program.
12/26/2009 8:16:00 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
Herve- I couldn't have said it better my self !  And while we're on that topic... what college football dynasties/powerhouse program DID win a national title in each of the past three decades?   hmmmm
12/26/2009 8:34:00 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)
Ah Yes! Miami football--an historical tradition post 1982 with a few 5 year hiatuses in between. Yeah! That's legendary. The death of all of FL football with Bowden gone now is pretty darn sweet for everyone outside of the state of FL. Once the NCAA finally gets around to finishing their "institutional control" probe of all of USC sports and we can rid ourselves of that eye-sore as well.
12/26/2009 10:03:00 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Outside of the deep south (where respect for the Constitution and the separation of Church and State has never been a dealbreaker), would someone with Myers' prioritization of religion gotten on to the tapayers' payroll? While I would like U$C to at least be beholden to the NFL's salary cap, I find it funny that an Ohio St (Cooper, Hayes, Clarrett, just to name a few) fan is clamoring for "institutional control". Oh yeah, one reason Oregon was not a "national powerhouse" for much of the 70's and 80's is because unlike pay-and-play "schools" it was not even allowed (by law) to offer football scholarships.


12/26/2009 10:09:00 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)
Squeaky clean Ducks. No one is on Phil Knight's pay-roll. If it ain't track in Eugene, then do not talk to me about being pristine in college football.
12/26/2009 10:17:00 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)
PS - Show me the recruiting violations under Cooper? He was a total idiot, but could recruit. He was not Phil Fulmer, but you've decided to cast him as such. Show me the recruiting violations under Woody? The guy punched an opponent on national TV which is unforgiveable in every possible way, but he was not illegal. Maurice Clarett was just a socio-path. He was not a violation--unless you count the laws of nature. Under Tressel, OSU has a combine average GPA of 3.0 (that's for 9 years). There's one violation which was pure cash from a booster to Troy Smith.

You are miing and matching here to invent an argument against Ohio State. In short, you sound like ESPN because they don't have a Big 10 contract. The crooks are in the SEC and at USC. Folks have been turning a blind-eye for years at those money-making machines.
12/26/2009 10:51:00 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)
You all forget that national championship in 96?  Still the best job in college football and although I wish Meyer had made his decision a few weeks ago Foley has had his hand in three football national championships and two basketball championships and I'm sure he'll get a good fit sooner or later (hopefully sooner and not a Zook away).  Personally I'm hoping Mullen or Strong (apparently he hasn't signed a contract yet with Louisville) get the nod.  Either way the UAA has got the facilities and money to make it work under anybody (even that idiot Zook won 8, 8, and 7 games respectively).  And to all the smack talkers who are drinking the Hater-Ade, have you forgotten that National Champion = SEC Champion?  Shannon and Tressel and Kelly winning many recruits citing the neat bowl games they're going to and how cool it is to have fans that would cream their pants in 0.0 seconds if they could just root for a team that played like an SEC club?  I doubt it. 
12/27/2009 5:58:00 AM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)

herve- bite your tongue 'cause the net time U face the U I won't be as kind buddy!  Wow.  We have been a proud tradition for 70 years.  Just because most of our success happened since the 1070's- doesn't make us any less of a powerhouse NCAA college football program.  I find that a completely discredible argument when talking about the U---- but when u talk abou tthe other florida programs...FSU and UF...ok i buy it buddy and i love it!!!   Truth be told- that's what we have been saying for years.  All these Florida schools wanted us in their conferences...blah blah blah...finally ...for the sake of our shitty basketball program at the time (ONLY)...we succumbed to the Big East.  Many of us lobbied to hold off til the ACC came calling, but we lost miserably. 

We settled on the first awesome contract and behold the "U" was in the Northeast.  We managed a few strong years and absolutely no violations (take that DB, herve et al) to leverage our boosters ways into an eventual ACC bid.  Along cames Vtech and (BC) for the ride.  (AS many of u may know the BC was rejected and faced internal issues that forced their delay- yet, truth be told, they managed their own way in a few years later)  

So- fact is- I don't mind taking the bullshit about our 80's teams that attracted the "undisciplined" youth from miami nor the multiple violations we faced under JJ etc- the fact is, since butch davis- we have been squeaky clean.  We have won the elusive national championship and we have reached the pinnacle once more.  we have rebuilt and retooled from Florida again and our NEW brand of educated hurricanes are ready to take the phsyics of football to the field!   (hehe)  Frankly- I'm so damn proud of these sophomores- i know they will win win a national championship.  that's the reason for all my salad shooting!

yes the MV- I mean net year!  Fine!  whatever!  we are the youngest starting NCAA Div 1 team going to a Bowl game...look it up!  Resewarch that!  We are going to whhop ass net year en route to the national championship game! 

UF has been eposed!   FSU- has been eposed an even fired their grand wizard!   The U is ready to reign florida's supreme

Don't be a U H8ter just because it's so damn easy to hate UF and FSU football!  i understand.  I hear your plight!           

12/27/2009 8:52:00 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)
Well Lev, the "U" will be coming to Columbus 9/11/2010. We return between 15-18 starters (depending upon juniors coming out).
12/27/2009 9:56:00 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)
The U, The U, The U is on fire!
We don't need no water because they'll only burn a small patch of grass on grandpa's front lawn.  He remembers when they used to be relevant and unicorns walked the earth hand in hand with dinosaurs and Jesus. 
12/27/2009 11:06:00 AM - doug sandels - 746 posts (#31)
Hey DB, I hear Bill Callahan is looking for a job.  I could write a glowing recommendation.  Whoopdy-fricking-do that you won a NT in 1996.  I'm pretty sure a powerhouse from the Midwest won 3 NTs out of 4 during that stretch and absolutely bulldozed the Gators in the process.  I'm sure certain former Gators are still having nightmares trying to figure out how to tackle Tommie Frazier.
12/27/2009 12:47:00 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
what I would pay to double date with you and Mrs. Herve.  you get the tickets...i'll bring the bourbon.  lots of it.   let the boys settle the score.
12/27/2009 3:02:00 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)
Reports on the Interweb suggest maybe ole Urban is going to pull a Billy Donovan and realize after handing in his resignation that he did, in fact, have the best job in all of sports.  Stay tuned knuckleheads.
12/27/2009 3:31:00 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)
Meanwhile, the first east vs west game went to the west last night. U$C looked out of synch and lethargic and still dusted off BC. With all their returners, Lev might want to hold off on anointing his "ruffians" the net national champs (Oregon might also have something to say about net year's title, too). If Pitt had covered the spread yesterday, I would be up to 4-5 in my bowl pool, instead I am a piss-poor 3-6.
12/27/2009 4:35:00 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)
I read somewhere that a national championship game will take place in college football sometime in a week or two and professional football players are set to take the field today but all ESPN seems to want to talk about is the UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA.  Gator nation indeed!
12/27/2009 6:09:00 PM - danjsport - 1,176 posts (#24)
Do they teach all Florida coaches to rescind their decisions?  First Billy D, now Urban M. 

12/27/2009 9:49:00 PM - GW South - 33 posts (#210)

Refrained from posting on here because when your team is 13-0 and whooped Timmy in the SEC Championship game, there's no need for smack talk.  WIll say though - I think McCoy will have success running on Bama.  Much differant kind of runner than Tebow, he might be able to scoot past Harris / McClain / Reamer.  However, our system sets up well to stop the slants and quick passes that McCoy does so well with our quick OLBs.  I'll be surprised if McCoy can put up higher than 55-60% completion percentage. 

Defensively, they can't match up to us up front.  Should get blown off the ball a little, not dominated but hit back enough to give Ingram/Richardson some room to work with.  Epect a lot of YAC for Ingram.  McElroy will get 15-20 passes in the first half, then the second half is the Ingram/Richardson/Upchurch show.  Mark it down (no pun intended).  Epect 2 drives in the 2nd half of longer than 7 minutes, like we did on Florida.

34-20 Bammer

12/27/2009 9:53:00 PM - GW South - 33 posts (#210)

And I bought a ticket option on Bama making the nat champ game for $250 after the LSU game (if bama made it, i got to buy the ti at face value).  Flying out to Vegas on the 3rd, driving to Pasadena on the 6th.  Should be a fun time.  Will be in Ft. Myers on New Years day, so I get to make it to the Outback Bowl and cheer on Northwestern also.

Enjoy Nawlins DB - I had a hell of a time there last year.  Just give a shit and please win one for the SEC, neither of which we did last year. 

12/28/2009 9:37:00 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)
12/28/2009 10:54:00 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)
The Suck Eggs Conference sure looked good last night against a team from the baseball-heavy Awfully Crappy Conference. Maybe the TCU-Boise game should be considered the National Chamionship one.
12/28/2009 2:18:00 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)
GWAA, you do understand that that was a bottom of the barrel SEC team against the team that lost in the ACC championship game don't you?

Good luck Bama fan though I don't think you all will need it.  And here's hoping for herve that Tressel is watching Oregon's offensive game plan very closely and learning how to use his QB.
12/28/2009 3:58:00 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
You do realize DB that Kentucky was in 2nd place in their SEC dvision and Clemson was tied for first in their ACC division.  Nether team played in the better of their own conferneces division-- so your point is absolute garbage DB.  Shit ass Clemson- that scrambled to beat the U (crushing our national title dreams)  just proved that the the bloodys rags of the SEC continue to be overrated and that UF will return to losing 3-5 games a year again in due time.   Wow-  an ACC team handed it to another over rated SEC team.  D'oh
12/28/2009 5:34:00 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)
Lev, how come your memory is long when it comes to "the U's" glory days but short when it comes to the UG-GT and USC-Clemson games less than a month ago?  Repeat after me, the ACC is a basketball conference full of mediocre football teams.
12/29/2009 8:17:00 PM - BLACKBERRY - 591 posts (#36)
Well Levinator here with a whole U crew poised for our first 10 win season in 4 years and fully backj to national prominence after the announcement of yet another stellar miami recruiting class That s three top 5 rated classes in a row and with the fallout at UF and FSU the U is sure to reap the rewards for many more years to come Well done Randy Shannon As for tonight I got the U too fast and eplosive on both sides of ball miami wins 37 17 over wsconsin
12/29/2009 11:46:00 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)
Lev? Hello, Lev? Lev are you there? I don't mean to BADGER you, but how eactly is Miami (Fla) supposed to win net year's national title with such undersized offensive and defensive lines? It really looked like a varsity team playing the JV for much of the game. The speed will do them well in the ACC, but if they want to play with the big boys, well then they need some big boys. 
12/30/2009 6:01:00 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)
Lost to the poor, plodding fat Big 10?! I'm confused! Good luck in Columbus net year as Ohio State is just a touch better than Wisconsin. However, I'm certain Miami will somehow how manage to use this loss to move up the in the season-ending polls.
12/30/2009 8:18:00 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)
Take it easy on old Lev.  I was just impressed that an irrelevant state penn football team whose glory days my grandpa remembers could cobble together 9 wins!
12/30/2009 10:10:00 AM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)
Levinator: Hi.  How are you this morning?  I guess the road towards net year's national championship starts today, the morning after a thoroughly convincing loss to the Big 10's 5th place team.  You did mean Miami, FL and not Miami, OH correct?  It's a legitimate question after watching the Hurricanes huddle around their sideline heaters in their long sleeve shirts last night.  You know that they do play consecutive road games at Pittsburgh and Ohio State net year, don't you?  Do they have an out clause should the temperature fall below 50 degrees?  I guess your predicted score of 37-13 Miami took place moments after Miami went up 7-0 moments into the game.  Things sure were looking good back then.  Unfortunately, real football took over.  The U couldn't stop Clay as advertised here, and the Wisconsin offensive attack was balanced.  By the way, did you know that the Badgers played without their #2 receiver (Isiah Anderson) and that Lance Kendricks, the tight end who was consistently open all night long, is the teams #2 tight end?  On defense, I know the plan was to throw on the Badgers suspect secondary but the Canes could not handle the pass rush of Schofield, McFadden, Watt and Borland.  Jicori Harris really emerged as quite the leader as he was cursing out his offensive linemen on national television and whining to anyone within earshot.  Sure, you made it a game in the end but so did many of Wisconsin's opponents this year.  Northern Illinois, Michigan State, Indiana, Minnesota and Michigan all scored late on the Badgers to make things interesting, but all went down to defeat.  So despite the dramatic ending, this was nothing new for the Badgers.  Lev, I'm sorry about the drubbing (not really but I'm sure you're taking it hard) and wish your team well in its quest to become national champions net season.  I hope that Shannon never went to bed last night because he sure has a lot of work to do.
12/30/2009 11:04:00 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

12/30/2009 12:16:00 PM - doug sandels - 746 posts (#31)
It takes a special amount of suckage to make a Big Televen team look good.
12/30/2009 5:48:00 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)

(Crawling out of the hole)

What game were you watching Mailvan.  UW played their hearts out all game.  This was the ebst they could play.  The Canes never ever came to play.  We sucked - but were also the INJURED team.  get your facts straight.

"Drubbing"- wow- 20-14 is hardly a drubbing especially when we lost our starting RB for the whole second half and our young QB played with a high ankle sprain and knee sprain. 

Let em talk in terms you might understand -  when you watch the Yankees- they always have this magic that even though they might be down 3 runs in the ninth- The yanks seem to get the two men on with 2 outs and then hit a double to pull within one.  They either hit the game tying single or double to win (after the walk to a PH) - or we KO- but they came from nowhere AND still had a chance.  THis builds mystique, championships and fandome. 

 Much is the same about the U- from all the well deserved championships that have made all you silly fans jealous- to the mystique that seems to always allow them to SUCK ASS (admittedly last night) YET still be taking a possible game winning drive towards another miracle.  WE COULD NOT have played any worse- some might argue we never played ecept fro the 5 minutes of the entire game- and yet- we still had the chance to win.  like or not- you can't argue with that fact pattern.   

Truth be told- best of luck to all of you TRUE college footbal fans who have actually revealed the program you DO root for.   

The U will rebound strongly and 2010 will tell (with another tremendously hard Miami schedule as always) just where our title hopes lie. 

But trust me- if this was the only miami game you saw this year- then i'm sorry for how they performed.   This dud was more like the dud against Vtech in the monsoon.  At least then- we had an ecuse.  

I'll be sure to rub in when your team loses!   Love always and g-d is college football great ! 

(crawling back into hole :-0 )     

12/30/2009 6:03:00 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
In the time that DB sent me those tow UF bullshit posts simply H8tin on the canes-  Urban suffered two more panic attacks....ummm...i mean heart related issues thereby flip-flopping yet again on whether he can deal with losing Tebow and becoming a mediocre florida team again!  yummy!  First FSU...now UF.   Go U
12/30/2009 6:29:00 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)
Lev, you're being the typical Hurricane fan.  Just like fans of FSU, UNF, UCF, USF, FAU, FIU, FAMU and any of the other inconsequential Florida programs you talk smack about Florida even when you lose.  The day after Florida's last national championship there were knuckleheads working at the gas station in their "the U" shirt up the street talking about how net year was going to be there year and Florida sucks.  They need a class at UM with a very short syllabus.  Day 1, don't talk smack (you'll sound stupid and irritate your manager at Mickie Ds).  Day 2, shoes and shirts required.
12/30/2009 6:52:00 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
nonbody talk more smack through pictures and verbage than you DB!  You have been able to due to last two years run.  now- since you too are NOT playing for a national championship.... STFU and hope for Spurrier to return so you can be one or two more violations away from your 1970's 80's 90's and much of 2000's MEDIOCRITY biatch!  This is so damn easy.  a UF fan talking football trash calling out a Canes fan.  hahahaha.  jealous much?  5 rings in 25 years.   It's like a Mets fan talking trash to a yankees fan.  sure DB- you once had a few good teams and without Tebow- it would be since 1995.   Im not a bandwagon fan bub.  I won;t desert my team just because they played terribly the night before.  i support these college athletes and they deserve that!  Its clear how UF did it and still does it.  How many guys have you lost due to suspensions/violations?  FYI- the U has a much better academic reputation than the party school in Gainsville who is more famous for krippie and nitrous ballon parties than for actual academia.  Love to your fam this new year DB
12/30/2009 6:53:00 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)
And Urban Meyer's heart condition and brain tumor are pure comedy gold.  It's almost as funny as that outbreak of bullet wounds that took down Pata and Taylor a few years ago.
12/30/2009 7:15:00 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)

Oh really DB-  then I guess it not fairgame for you to conitnue to be rascist when you attack the hearts and minds of our inner city miami kids/children who tried to do everything right growing up - learned discipline and played in 25% of all national championship games over the past 30 freakin years.  AND they got a great education in the process.  Right DB?  fuck them- but we should all be heartbroken over urban and his multi- million dollar contract.  when you coach in the big leagues- you have to be able to take the stress.  can't take the heat- get out fo the kitchen

But the nerve of some Alumni from UF to dare say a word about what others may truly feel about Meyer (and his stress issues) especially  after all the rascism and abuse you have showed to the many student atlhetes in miami's storied tradition.  these are just kids.  How dare you  

12/30/2009 7:59:00 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)
Woa! Some of you need to take your chill pills. This thread is about talking smack, not insulting other people's humanity. Besides, niether of your teams could beat Oregon. This in-fighting in a east coast state is kind of like Russia and Georgia fighting over S. Ossettia, in the end all the winner would get is a middle-of-nowhere shithole, so why bother?.
12/30/2009 9:16:00 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
U dick GWAA-   Lets go...choke.... ohio state    :-)
12/30/2009 11:39:00 PM - doug sandels - 746 posts (#31)
That was a SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHper defensive performance by the Blackshirts.  How the hell to all these Pac 10 teams manage to score 40 points a game in that conference?  Makes me think Ohio State will win by about 20 (considering the Big Televen echange rate).

Just two seasons removed from Bill Callahan, the Huskers are back, baby!
12/31/2009 10:41:00 AM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)

Levinator, I stand corrected.  In your estimation, Wisconsin played as well as it could and Miami never bothered to show up....and still, Miami lost by only 6 points.  Why would I think you were bummed about the outcome?  You must feel great about it.

On Wisconsin! On Wisconsin!

12/31/2009 7:06:00 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)
Herve, we will see what you have to say in oh, about 24 hours. Hey Lev, I have to go to be early tonight so I can be awake and alert when the OREGON FIGHTING DUCKS MARCHING BAND marches in the Tournament of Roses Parade-- I know you must miss that need to go to bed early on New Year's Eve so you can be up the net day for a football game!
12/31/2009 9:45:00 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)
1/1/2010 7:26:00 AM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)

And yet...GWAA...here i find myself fresh and awake for a whole day of NOTHING!    arghhh  ! 

You pinned it right!  I used to love this week!  i will net year again.. i promise you all.  Good luck to all of you with bowl games left! 

Hey DB- last time I checked Vtech kicked the living hit out of another SEC team Tenn!   ACC looks a bit better then you thought no?  Or are yuo just gonna wait and reserve judgement for your own lucky draw on bowl day/  Boy- you draw cinncinnati who replaced its coach!   If they beat u, if the basketball conference Big east- beatrs u Tebow and Urban-  Wowza.  that ought to silence you til 2015!   Maytbe you can hire some more coaches that commit recruiting violations so tht youre name can be in the media again after net year!   

Boy how Miami will shine yet agian in this decade!  i promise all of you- we will be lauding the herladed 4-4 as early as net year!   that's at leadt one championship in each of the past 4 decades.  Noew that would really be something/1  Oh yeah?  How many other teams can go for that feat?     

1/1/2010 12:34:00 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Since you are going to be hearing this song often today, I thought you should have the lyrics so you can sing-a-long at home:

Oregon, our Alma Mater, we will guard thee on and on.
Fellows gather ‘round and cheer her; chant her glory, Oregon.
Roar the praises of her warriors, sing the story, Oregon;
On to victory urge the heroes of our Mighty Oregon.

I thought the Oregon band looked and sounded better than the Ohio St one in the parade and at least Duck and the cheerleaders walked the parade route instead of those whimps from the midwest who rode on their float (which looked like it was made at the last second by drunk sorrority girls). Enjoy the game everyone (kickoff is at 2pm Pacific).

1/1/2010 12:45:00 PM - BLACKBERRY - 591 posts (#36)
OSU gives me a BONER
1/1/2010 9:10:00 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)
Thank you for playing GWAA! Great, gimmicky offense you got there! 17 whole points!? And Masoli, he's incredible--by FAR the best QB in the country....including NFL QBs. Just for the record Pryor alone almost out-gained the ENTIRE Duck offense by 100 yards. And yet, your cute little team, fans and pundits couldn't stop jawing at the Bucks. I bet your punk players tried to start fights after leaving the field. You guys were just lucky we were kicking field goals rather than getting TDs or it would have been yet another PAC-10 beat-down. Conference really, really, really looks strong this year....as long as they're playing each other.

And as for an earlier comment you made about the Oregon (nice sweatsuits!) band, Ohio State has the finest band in the country and has had for years. They are so good in fact there is a trophy (the Sullivan Trophy) given to the best band in the country and OSU won it so many times when it first started they were forbidden to compete for 5 years.

Here's a recent NY Times article featuring the OSU band among others:
1/1/2010 9:52:00 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

While there may be some out there that find this thread entertaining, I would remind people that:this is a GW basketball board. GW does not even field a football team, so it seems unbecoming to hijack this board with talk of other schools' football teams.

I would ask that the powers-that-be at this board delete the entire thread.

1/2/2010 9:01:00 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)
1/6/2010 8:49:00 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)
And with Iowa's victory last night the Big 10 is still the only conference to beat four top 15 teams. OSU alone beat 3 teams with 11 wins each this season, something no other school can say. But those are just facts and not something solid like the opinion the PAC 10 or the SEC is the best conference in football.

Don't look now, but OSU is about to ink a small, but great recruiting class including two of the top 10 players in the country. Not too bad considering the Bucks will return 16 starters net season.
1/6/2010 9:32:00 AM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)
And with the Big 10 football schedule now concluded, it is time for all of the haters, who could justifiably crush the conference in past years, to admit that the Big 10 had an ecellent year.  2-0 in BCS games.  Two additional wins in high profile bowl matchups.  Two of the three bowl losses by 1 point and by 3 in overtime.  Give credit where it is due.
1/6/2010 10:11:00 AM - doug sandels - 746 posts (#31)
Don't blame me, the only school from the Big Televen I see on a regular basis is Minnesota!  A team that got man-handled at home by the Jackrabbits of South Dakota State.
10/5/2010 2:44:12 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Herve, I must say I am looking forward to the rematch... but this time in Phoenix!

10/5/2010 7:09:40 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

Don't you find this all very similar to the Ducks hype from last year which was shown to be a paper-tiger? It's essentially the same exact starting line-up sans a few criminals. It certainly is the same defense.

Regardless, if Oregon somehow finds it's way to Glendale they will not find the Bucks as their opposition. OSU has too many question marks in the defensive back-field, very little power running game and special teams which are "special" in their own unique, terrible way. Don't get me wrong. The Bucks are a  very good team and even great when Pryor is hitting on all-cylinders, but you've got to be good every single week which is just too much to ask of this squad. 

10/5/2010 11:31:16 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

The Ducks will bring a gameplan to the bowl game this year. If Ohio St is too sucky to find that out the hard way, I am sure Boise St will oblige.

10/7/2010 11:19:31 PM - doug sandels - 746 posts (#31)

Taylor Martinez is a very, very, very fast man.  I expect some frosh hiccups and a couple of losses at some point, but he looks like a potential star.

10/9/2010 7:29:24 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

Oh well! Saban will show them by offering 400 kids next year. To put it into perspective, 'bama has offered 78 kids for the next recruiting class. There's not a team in the Big 10 (OSU is at 29) which has offered more than 32. Little Nicky will pull a Petey Carroll and escape just before the NCAA hammer comes down. I've never met a 'bama fan who wasn't intolerable and I'm certain they are much more miserable to be around tonight.

10/9/2010 8:23:59 PM - thinker - 2,574 posts (#9)

The 'ol ball coach smacked the crap out of Alabama.  But for a couple freak plays and a busted pass coverage td, SC completely dominated the game.  Very impressive.

10/9/2010 11:15:34 PM - thinker - 2,574 posts (#9)

How does the genius Urban Meyer not have his defense ready for a fake field goal?  LSU botched the play and still easily got a first down.  It should have been another stupid loss by Les Miles.

10/10/2010 12:22:49 AM - doug sandels - 746 posts (#31)

Sheesh, the Twins game got me in such a downer mood, I had forgotten about seeing the tide rolled.  Thanks for cheering me up, GWHoops.  My favorite moment was when SC ran for 8 yards on first down with about 5 minutes left and it became clear they would win.  Saban began belittling every player on the sidelines after that.  That fucking prick loves taking all the credit when things are going well, but he'll throw people under the bus so fast it makes your head spin.

10/10/2010 5:25:44 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

Not a great year for Gators fans but that's the fault of high expectations.  Meyer and company still control their own destiny because of SC's one loss which I'm holding onto as my silver lining.  Too bad, as herve notes, that the Gators don't play in the Big 10.  They'd be 10-0 after only 6 games.

10/11/2010 3:35:07 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Like most people in Oregon, I loathe Arizona's racism toward Latino immigrants. But at the same time, reserving a plane ticket and hotel room now for the National Championship Game seems a good idea since as the game approaches prices will rise. Herve, are you going, or do I need to make pre-game drink arrangements with my Idaho friends?

10/11/2010 2:36:13 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)


10/11/2010 8:06:18 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

There's talk in my family of going as it's my turn to go with my Dad. However, AGAIN, I believe OSU will lose in the regular season and be out of the running. Having watched the Ducks not look so good against hapless WSU last weekend and knowing what kind of a non-existent defense they have (not to mention an injured QB), I would not be phoning-up Comfort Inns in downtown Glendale if I were you.

If it does happen, you better believe we're meeting up for drinks. 

10/12/2010 9:22:26 AM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)

Herve, I'm wondering if you truly believe that OSU will lose in the regular season or is this the typical "my team can't be this good without something going wrong" syndrome (i.e. 2010-myself and the NY Jets; 2005-06-all of us and GW basketball).  If you feel a loss is in their future, are you thinking about this week in Madison, later on at Iowa, or someplace else?

I'm cautiously excited about Saturday night's game.  From a Wisconsin perspective, the good news is: a) the Badgers outgained OSU by a 3-1 margin last year; b) the Badgers have been pointing to this game (some might say are obsessed with this game) since last year's loss; c) with a loss already under their belts, Wisconsin knows this is a must-win situation to have any hope of reaching their goals; and d) The Badger offense remains very balanced, and the emergence of James White gives this team a true breakaway threat.  The bad news is: a) OSU won last year's game 33-14 as the Buckeyes scored 3 defensive/special team touchdowns; b) Toon and Gilreath look rusty coming off of injuries causing the passing game to look out of sync.  Toon already has more dropped passes in 2+ games than he had all of last year (so it seems), c) the Badger D is vulnerable to speed as was evidenced in their loss to Michigan State.  OSU will be foolish to try to move the ball up the middle but playing an east-west game with some play action mixed in is the way to score on this defense, d) related to c), Wisconsin really misses Chris Borland, the Big 10's Defensive rookie of the year last season.  JJ Watt and Mike Taylor are solid but they can't make all of the tackles.

Expect a high scoring game.  38-35 Badgers (Not sure I mean it but had to say it.)


10/12/2010 10:43:59 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

I've said since the beginning of the season OSU would lose a regular season game this year and it would either be at IA or at WI.

As for your game scenario, do NOT expect high-scoring because OSU's defense will not allow it. Last year they held Clay to 59 yards and it's been almost three years since ANY running back has had over 100 yards against the Bucks. The WI defense has been ordinary-to-poor this year and the Badgers will be forced to pass the ball. The difference to me is whether Pryor can move out of the pocket or will be sacked a lot since his leg is far more injured than the coaching staff is letting on. If OSU can pass the ball, then the Bucks will get at least 30, but the Badgers will not get any more than 17-20 in this game. I fear turnovers off of sacks more than anything else. 

10/18/2010 3:00:19 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Look at the polls. You have to look really high up in the polls to find Oregon. Fans of Florida, Miami (Fla), Ohio St and others will need to crane their necks. Bring on Boise St!!!!

10/18/2010 9:23:24 AM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)

Herve, it's not going to be much of a moral victory, but I do want you to know that your last post did make me rethink the game to the point where you convinced me that it would not be a high scoring game.  Therefore, I talked myself out of taking the over at 48 1/2 points.  It was a happy night here nevertheless.  I hadn't seen that much of Pryor but he reminded me of a younger, stronger Donovan McNabb.  Can really throw the ball, is evasive, can beat you with his legs, and can be very inaccurate with his passes.  OSU should have been able to do much more offensively particularly in the first half.  Borland was already out, Taylor left with an injury, and the secondary is suspect to begin with.  JJ Watt is a great player but nobody should be sacking Pryor 4 times.  OSU did a great job taking Kendricks out of the game and from a Badger point of view, thank God for James White who had plenty of steam in the 4th quarter where in prior years without him, Clay would be gassed by then and there wasn't a true alternative.  Anyway, whenever you feel "relieved" to walk off the field with a win, particularly at home, you know you've beaten a great team.  Now, go beat Michigan State. 

10/18/2010 9:46:56 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

Bad news. OSU does not play MSU this year. It's Sparty's to lose---and they usually do. However, they'll need to drop two (they do play Iowa) and Wisky has to win at Iowa (something the Bucks have to do to get third place in the Big Ten). I guess after 5 straight conference titles, something has to give. 

10/22/2010 4:19:57 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

After treating the University of California's Lower Achievers like the twits they are, is there no one out there that can stop the Ducks? I wonder if there will be a worthy opponent for Oregon in the National Championship Game.

10/29/2010 9:42:10 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Now it is the turn of the (bowl-inelligble) University of $limeball Cheaters to get whipped by the Ducks. This year's spanking will not be as much fun to administer as the University of $ports Cars has reduced its player payroll this year, but getting those maroon-clad University of $poiled Children fans to STFU will still be satisfying. 

10/31/2010 2:48:14 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Another year, another blowout of U$C. Unless other schools start fielding good teams, UofO might just as well drop football out of fairness to all the other schools, who are unable to compete with the Ducks.

10/31/2010 8:15:30 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

this is exactly what you were saying last year at this time. Beware of playing ANY team with a defense with a pulse. 

11/1/2010 9:42:24 AM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)

I'm really not much of a gloater (if I were, you would have seen significantly more Wisconsin football posts this season).  And, I also am not a big believer in kicking people when they're down.  However, I do have a good memory.  And what I remember was Wisconsin kicking Miami's ass in their bowl game last December, only to read one Levinator post after the next on how "the U" was going to be a national title contender this season.  So on Saturday, UVA puts an end to their 9 game ACC losing streak by beating...Miami.  And the Lev is nowhere to be found.  I don't mean this as a full-fledged gloat (maybe just a small one) but I did feel it was worth mentioning.

11/1/2010 10:10:22 AM - doug sandels - 746 posts (#31)

When you lose a quarterback likeJacory Harris to injury, his teammates just have no idea where to look in order to find a guy who can turn the ball over in any circumstance. 

11/1/2010 10:21:47 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

Every time I see this, it's just incredible he even lived to throw more interceptions in the future:



11/1/2010 10:29:25 AM - yawle - 201 posts (#97)

that was pretty sweet.  John Kevin-Dolce put quite a hit on Harris.  Hope he is okay.  Game changer.  Sorry Canes.

11/6/2010 7:09:40 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

Too bad for Nicky Saban again and the GREAT, unbeatable Crimson Tide. If it wasn't for those two pesky losses, they'd be national champs. Time to dig-up the thread from the first week of the season where someone on here proclaimed Alabama dominant and clearly unbeatable. I'm sure Saban can over-sign his way to a better team next year. If not, maybe, like the rest of the SEC, they can buy Cam Newton. Wanna bet we're not too far away from Nicky drifting back to the NFL again just like SC Petey just before Alabama (ONCE AGAIN!) gets hit with stiff NCAA sanctions. 

11/7/2010 9:33:49 PM - GW Alum in Houston (ESIA 92) - 2 posts (#241)

Uh.  Cam Newton is at Auburn.  The allegations are about Mississippi State.  And seeing as Newton was kicked off Florida's team, and Auburn was just about the only team that wanted him, I doubt that this rises to the Reggie Bush level.

Don't even think for a second that anyone gives Auburn any favortism.  Auburn was screwed out of the national championship in 1984.  Auburn was hit with stronger penalties than anyone else and was not the natl champion in 1993 (even though they were the nation's only undefeated team).  Auburn was royally screwed in 2004 when they went undefeated, sent 5 players to the NFL in the top 10 pics in the draft, and was left out of the BCS.  Auburn has a bigger reason to gripe about the BCS than Boise or TCU.

Auburn was screwed in 2004.  Auburn was screwed in 1984.  If Auburn can win out (and that is far from a done deal), they will be in the BCS championship game.  And they will deserve to be there.  More than TCU (with exactly 2 wins over top 25 teams) and Boise.


11/7/2010 10:16:37 PM - Long Suffering Fan - 3,494 posts (#6)

Actually, former Boston Pops, I am probably mistaken Edwards inability to play offense as defense and Warren's inability to play defense as offense.  And Free...that was me who made the Guest/Miller analogy.  I liked Darnell because of what I thought was I high basketball IQ, his being very coachable and his seeming like a very nice kid.  However, I recognized his actual basketball talent was limited, and he was not able to stick with the team. 

11/8/2010 2:54:15 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

And the Ducks keep rolling. With Snobford beating up UofA, the worst the Ducks can do is go to the Rose Bowl, and that would be a major letdown. TCU, Auburn or Boise? It matters not.

11/9/2010 7:54:25 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

I heard on a radio report that the church the Newtons attend was on the verge of being condemned due to multiple code violations and overall poor shape the building was in. It was announce by Cams father shortly after cam signed to Auburn (Which his father was the decision maker for) that the building was going to be up to code within a few months after construction/ remodeling takes place. The report was inferring the money from Cam’s signing went to the church to fund this construction. 

11/9/2010 9:00:08 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

And yet another feather in the cap of the Suspended Ethics Conference:


11/26/2010 2:07:13 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Another battle of Top 25 teams in the Pac 10 today. The shellacking will assure the Ducks of nothing less than a Rose Bowl bid, and going to Pasedena would be a real let-down for Oregon. So, after the Mildcats are turned in to tennis racket strings, and the Beavers are muffed, all that remains between the Mighty Oregon and permanent recognition as the greatest college football team ever will be either Boise St or TCU. Must suck to root for a team in a lesser conference (like the SEC or Big 12).

11/26/2010 10:38:30 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Are you questioning my smack?!?!?

11/26/2010 2:00:31 PM - doug sandels - 746 posts (#31)

I'm pretty sure Dootie knows that the '95 Huskers are the greatest of all time.  They would beat these Ducks by 21 at least.

11/26/2010 6:10:15 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

Everytime I watch Saban make a fool of himself and belittle his team and players I'm thankful for Jim Tressel. 

11/26/2010 7:33:15 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

Despite having the most talented team in college football, Saban has managed to win one more game this season than a rebuilding Florida team.  As for Oregon, I'd definately place them behind Auburn, LSU, Alabama, and probably Arkansas this season.  Those ducks should play Boise State in the "Who gives a shit?" toilet bowl.

11/26/2010 7:59:44 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

Of all the top teams I've seen play this year, I think Wisconsin is the best (and not just because they beat OSU---OSU has not played or beaten a team of consequence this season, aside from getting handled by Wisconsin). Wisky has the best team balance I've seen and can, if need be, simply control the line of scrimmage and run it down the throats of anyone in the top 10. I have NO IDEA how they managed to lose to an okay, but faulty, MSU squad. 

11/27/2010 10:02:20 AM - doug sandels - 746 posts (#31)

Yes, that Saban performance was very impressive yesterday.  What a fucking dick.  He somehow manages to try and take even less blame than KH for anything that has ever gone wrong, but unlike Hobbs, he sure makes sure he gets 110% of the credit for any success. 

11/28/2010 3:58:33 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

You  are all jealous because Oregon knows it is playing in January. Hey Lev, are you vaunted 'Canes even bowl elligible? Ducks are one win away from being National Champions, just have to win Civil War vs the Beavers. After all, any wins the dirty program at Auburn has this season will soon enough be stripped for playing a non-elligible professional (Cam Newton is a modern day Reggie Bush),

11/28/2010 2:09:34 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)

As many of you great GW hoops basketball fans know very well, i have a deep rooted love for the "U" and support for their athletics program comes in a multitude of ways.  

Rather than disrespect Shannon on an OT thread on our beloved GWhoops forum, I felt inclined to let the South Florida game play out as it was well known in Miami boosters circles that he was to be replaced before season's end.  

I'm the first to admit that I was a big believer in Shannon and the quality of recruits he was bringing into his system.  It seems we never really drafted a top notch QB despite basically securing 2/3 of the Northwestern HS championship teams.   Rather, we neve rhad the QB's develop into their true potential and our defenses, usually top 25 ranked, were always left to fend for themselves many a games.  

I have spoken at length with several other boosters who have more input then I as to what direction the team is going to go in and which coaches we will target.  Rest assured, I will bring any info i can aboard.  These are difficult times again in coral gables... So good to see dootie on the field as the Gators got pummelled by the Seminoles.  

Wish shannon all the best.  He did a great job reigning in the program and I hope we stop the coaching carousel with the next pixk.  i have a strong feeling i know who it will be...hehe  

11/28/2010 4:34:49 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

Lev, UF did beat USF.  At least that was a season bright spot.  And as horrible as this season has been in Gainesville every home game was packed.  The fact that "the U" v. USF saw a stadium nearly two-thirds empty speaks to the fairweather nature of fans of that little private school down south.   Semi-holes pulled the same shit last season.  That's why it is so frustrating to be a Gator fan.  When UF wins the 'Holes and Hericanes are no where to be found or camoflauged in orange and blue.  When UF loses every Tom, Dick, and Harry working the register at McDonalds has a shit eating grin and is ready to talk smack.  The U doesn't have enough money to bring in a big named coach so how on earth will they be able to pay players like they did in the 80s to win all those National Titles?  Playing in a conference where your best team lost to Boise State and James Madison won't help.

12/2/2010 12:21:41 AM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
So Gruden or Leach? Leach or Gruden? As I speculated previously, many of us expected the hard press for Gruden as two consecutive coordinators simply didn't fulfill expectations. What's troublesome for many boosters is the influence of guys like Trump and palm beach bigshots who use their influence a bit more than palatable. So Gruden it is. Well that's what my limo and roast beef guy told me. But- should that deal falter- be prepared for the high scoring Leach spread strikingly comparable to that ole Jimmy Johnson era.
12/2/2010 3:08:44 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Do you really want to go back to the Jimmy Johnson era?!? I mean, you have spent half this thread trying to explain why Miami (Fla) no longer deserves to be unfavourably compared to the intramurals side at Folsom Prison. Now you want to go back to that?

When is the NCAA going to kick Auburn out of the BCS formula? The Oregon-TCU game could be a doozy.

12/3/2010 10:08:59 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)

My favorite part about the words list that follows all of our posts is the actual relevance of some of the words...like "krippie"-  I guess it wouldnt really be a converstion about Miami and Gator football is the word "krippie" didnt come up.  DB ough tto lay off them Gainsville Greens.  Heard.   And the U will redefine and dominate yet again.  already.

12/6/2010 2:52:56 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

All hail the 2010 National Champion Mighty Oregon Fighting Ducks!!!!! Undefeated, unfazed, undisputed. Too bad they won't get to play a good TCU team to win the title.

What's that you say about Auburn? Those cheaters are going to have to vacate all their "wins". 

And all those other "little" schools out there? Well I think it is nice that they field teams, hopefully not all of their cheerleaders become STD outbreaks. 

12/10/2010 10:37:16 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

With no good teams playing for a month, I wonder if those who cheer for lesser schools will use this time wisely to reflect on just how awsome Oregon is. LaMichael James=the first three-time Heisman winner.

12/12/2010 10:15:45 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

GWAA, nice prediction.

And since I know Lev is sad Ay, I hear this guy is a real keener to bring some hosers down Miami way.  Good luck with that.

12/12/2010 10:48:41 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

I think I speak for the rest of the college football world when we all say how much we love the gift the state of Florida has given everyone this college season by having the three major programs all in rapid decline and some near the state of implosion.

 Ah! Your 25 year flash in the pan is nothing more than being a toddler who never progresses in the eyes of college football dynasties where time is marked in 50 year increments. Really just one-step up from the Louisvilles, Rutgers and West Virginias of the world.


12/12/2010 12:30:30 PM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)

"The U will redefine and dominate yet again"?  Levinator, this love affair that causes you to actually brag about the U is beyond absurd.  I'm not one to rub it in people's faces (if I were, you'd have read a lot of pro-Wisconsin and anti-Miami posts from me this season), but your smack seems to come straight out of professional wrestling.  A year ago, Randy Shannon was regarded by you as the savior, the man who was in the midst of turning the Hurricanes around.  In your words, the man who was preparing them to compete for a national championship.  Less than a year later, Shannon is unemployed yet you're still crowing about the U's upcoming domination.  My God, you're playing Notre Dame in the Sun Bowl.  Stop being such a clown and face facts. 

12/12/2010 3:19:55 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

So it's okay to take a year off now? Didn't know that and neither do Buckeye fans. Maybe Tebow can coach as well? 

12/13/2010 2:43:57 AM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
Wait- I'm sorry mailman...how many national titles has Wisconsin won? Oh thats right. That's why you have no trash to talk. Their ain't a reward for 2nd or 3rd best in the Big ten bub. Oh and BTW ur jets were fuckin brilliant today!! Hope u enjoyed the roast beef and we all spit in your rum cake! Ur so irrelevant when it comes to football. I have tremendous respect for Shannon and I wrote that and said that I didn't support his firing. Ur so wrapped up in rah rah rah with seneca and BS u fail to make any rationale argument for UW fans to talk ANY trash dopey. Go rub someone else the wrong way or better yet- go trip some guy running right by u and all u are in the "sidelines" of life bub. Ur teams are so sorry it's awesome.
12/13/2010 9:49:30 AM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)

Levinator, I have no trash to talk because I'm not a trash talker.  On the other hand, only a clown would watch his team get dominated in a bowl game only to proudly declare this losing team as national championship contenders the following season, and then proclaim how this team will be dominating again after losing so many games as to fire their head coach.  As for Wisconsin, they don't need me to talk them up (great teams generally don't need anyone talking them up...maybe there's a lesson in here for you Lev).  It's inaccurate of you to refer to them as the 2nd or 3rd best team in the Big Ten when in reality, they are co-Big 10 Champions and the conference representative in the Rose Bowl since they had a better BCS raning than MSU or OSU.  While they are undeserving of a spot in the national championship game, many pundits would tell you that they belong in that game if the game was based solely at how well a team was playing right now as opposed to a full season's body of work.

That all said, I do have a question about the U:  do you think that Irvin, Portis, Winslow and all of those other players who comprise "the U" all show up in El Paso to root the Canes on in the Sun Bowl, or is that simply way too uncool?

12/13/2010 9:46:44 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
Mailvan- let me do some specific case research for ya bub and then get back to ya later. Oh my, this will be more fun then the 12 -15 hrs it generally takes for a recap. :). Admittedly, I really have no negative feelings towards Wisconsin or u for that matter. However, it's clear we all could use a reminder of just which programs have generated not only national championships bUt NFL caliber players as well. It seems Herve is getting confused on the length of certain Florida team's success. Miami has won more titles than any team since 1980. That my friends is 40+ years. We have the most NFL players in the league and that takes both talent and excellent college coaching. DB, GWAA have the programs Herve mocked. Not I. I do like the clown call though- thanks pal. Ur the bomb
12/13/2010 10:36:14 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
What I meant was 40+ yrs of Miami drafting and team success. It started in 1971 and reached heights never to be seen by the likes of a Wisconsin about 1985. Even Herve's OSU can't match Miami's past 40 yrs of titles and NFL prowess. Although- they are damn close.
12/14/2010 9:30:07 AM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)

Lev, with all of those "U" players presently in the NFL, it's amazing to see how many games those guys lost in college.

12/23/2010 10:06:55 PM - seneca - 876 posts (#29)

All I have to say Herve is that OSU apparently has better lawyers than USC. How does one get suspended for 5 games next season but get to play in a bowl game this year?

12/24/2010 9:48:11 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 How does one get paid $180K and get the Heisman Trophy? The NCAA is a mysterious and stupid beast, much like an Ohio State player. No excuses on my end. Punishment fit the crime? Probably not, but who cares, as the crime(s) were so dumb the sheer stupidity deserved harsh punishment.

12/24/2010 7:23:42 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Not to worry Herve, for the next two years the Heisman goes to an honest and unpaid LaMichael James who will lead his team to three straight NCAA titles and all will be well again in the world of college football.

12/29/2010 2:10:24 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Are they sorry, or just sorry they got caught?


12/31/2010 7:20:23 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Gee Lev, another year another loss in a middling bowl to a middling team. Not quite the pedigree one would expect from such a vaunted Miami (Fla). This year, the 'Canes were the lapdog for Notre Lame. Thank goodness the real bowl season begins soon, then all these minor schools won't get so much TV attention.

1/1/2011 6:44:38 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

Breaking news BIG (the artist formerly known as the Big Ten), "Leaders" and "Legends" are already taken by the SEC.  You can have "Losers" and "Big Mouths" though.  In other breaking news a Silver Alert has been posted by an old dude in a blue sweater who is prone to crapping himself.  Please alert authorities if you happen to see him wandering around talking about some no good ginger quarterback.

1/1/2011 8:36:01 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Great day for the Big 10. That stink in flyover country? Yes, it is Big 10 football.

1/1/2011 8:53:22 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

You guys place too much importance on wins and losses. Just ask Seneca Seats or MV's Badgers. 

1/5/2011 2:23:34 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Well, the minor bowls are out of the way and now we can focus on the upcoming game between the play-for-play team and the Mighty Ducks!!!! The Quack Attack is Back!

1/5/2011 6:06:48 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 PS-You're welcome Big 10.

1/5/2011 7:26:36 AM - Dolphin Michael - 2,188 posts (#13)

Possibly, the BigN could upgrade the league by bringing in some better schools?

1/5/2011 8:27:23 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

The Big 10 needs some coaching upheavals at PSU, MI, IL, PU and MN. The guys in place at those schools just "don't get it" anymore--it's not 1974. All of those schools should be solid programs every year and have been in the past, they've just lost their way in terms of game style and, mainly, recruiting. This is certainly a long-term thing, but the money is there to make it happen. Or they could just get on the SEC over-signing band-wagon and burn recruiting bridges all across the country while wrecking young kids lives for short-term gains.

1/5/2011 10:09:30 AM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)

Herve, did you know that prior to last night, OSU was 0-9 in bowl games against SEC teams?  Could a trend have been recited any more times than this one over the past week?  All I know is that I cashed in with OSU (not that I wasn't sweating at the end) under the simple philosophy that if I am beyond sick and tired of hearing about this, I can only imagine how the OSU coaches and players, most of whom had nothing to do with this trend, had to feel about it.  Congratulations on the win.

I hadn't commented on the Badger loss.  All I can say is that I felt Wisconsin was badly outcoached.  The defense was so preoccupied with giving up long passes that they would provide 12 yard cushions on 3rd and 5 and were unable to get off the field, particularly in the second half.  Also, on the two point conversion to tie the game, Pederson was wide open in the end zone (Tolzein's pass was batted down) so it obviously was a good play call.  However, I don't know how you don't give TCU the "look" of a possible run (Montee Ball was flanked to the left and aside from his taking an inside handoff, there was no chance WI was running based on the formation) given the was WI and particularly John Clay was running down the stretch.  Anyway, credit to TCU; they earned it.

1/5/2011 11:29:42 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

WHY did we only see Clay in the 4th quarter? He wasn't hurt or gassed. VERY bad coaching on Wisky's part indeed. They should have easily won that game, but TCU had a FAR better game-plan which they executed well. Wisky appeared to be making up their gameplan from quarter to quarter.

From last night's game I also enjoyed the fact Mallet was the single greatest college football QB of all-time and Pryor was an "athlete". 

1/5/2011 1:21:20 PM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)

Ball actually ran very well which is why we didn't see much of Clay earlier.  I thought John was gassed on a few occasions but clearly, WI would have been better off giving James White's 8 carries to John.  White's speed was clearly negated by a very quick TCU defense.  As for Mallett, he took the award from Andrew Luck who was deemed the greatest NCAA QB of all time just 1 night earlier.  Of course, what frustrated me to no end (as an OSU backer last night) was the Buckeyes apparently convinced that they had scored more than enough points by halftime (and in reality, they had) to the point of seemingly not trying to score, particularly on their last drive.  I realize that pryor was hurt but was there even a doubt that OSU wasn't going to make a game-clinching first down with 1 minute left?

1/5/2011 1:43:29 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

So why was Clay on the bench for the 2-point conversion attempt? I guess that is why Wiz was in a second-tier bowl while ORYGUN plays for the national title on Monday!!!! Poor TCU, they might have given the Ducks a game if the BCS were not such a bunch of horse manure.

1/5/2011 2:04:03 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

They actually easily made the first down, but Herron fumbled for the first time ALL season while crossing the sticks. That first down would have iced the game without all the last minute drama needed. It was a wacky game with a lot of flukey places on both sides.

1/5/2011 2:11:55 PM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)

GWAA, I don't seem to recall your referring to the Rose Bowl as a 2nd-tier bowl when Oregon was playing in it, make that losing in it, just a year ago.

1/6/2011 10:36:09 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Wanting to go to the Rose Bowl is sooooooo 2009. Nice parade and all, but it is for the unapsirationalists.

1/10/2011 9:27:11 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

The big day is here. The nation's best college team takes on the play-for-pay pros from the Sports but not Educational Conference. I have never been prouder to walk the streets with my duck nose and webbed feet.

1/11/2011 8:33:06 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

No worries GWAA. Your gimmick-only-works-in-the-PAC-10-LaMichael-James-49-yard-offense will be crowned National Champs in five years when Auburn is forced to vacate all of their wins. 

1/11/2011 9:13:21 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

I cannot, for the life of me. figure out why Oregon abandons its open attacking gameplans and tries to play up the middle in bowl games. Of course, Auburn needed help from the Big 10 refs (the no call on the horse collar on James in the 1st, the no call on the facemasking of James in the 4th and the no call on the delay of game on the third and long on Auburn in the 4th). And Herve is right, Auburn spent a little less than U$C on players and still barely beat a college team.

1/11/2011 9:23:22 AM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)

You are probably right GWAA.  The national championship wasn't won and lost because a Duck defender couldn't tackle an Auburn runner all the way to the ground resulting in a 37 yard run that set up the game winning field goal.  Or for that matter, because an offense that averaged over 40 points a game couldn't break 20.  The real reason why the national championship was won and lost was due to the Big 10 refs.  Makes perfect sense.

1/11/2011 9:29:25 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Had Oregon run to the strong side inside the 20, the Ducks would have won the game instead of getting stuffed at the 1. Even before that rookie (Auburn does not have frosh) ran to the goalline the game was over, even if tackled that run put the Tigers in field goal range. But Auburn was not hurt by the zebras (what about the groin kicker who was not tossed?).

Oh well, back to college basketball...

1/11/2011 11:47:57 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

The SEC is a pretty good conference if I do say so myself.

1/11/2011 12:16:57 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

The best that $$$ and over-signing can buy DB:


1/11/2011 1:22:18 PM - seneca - 876 posts (#29)

Nothing better than watching smug Chip Kelly lose. Never liked Auburn much but the clear lesser of two evils won last night.

1/11/2011 4:16:46 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

Florida and LSU have similar numbers to Big10 teams with regard to recruiting.  With regard to national championships they have three more in the last 5 years. 

1/12/2011 6:08:42 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
Yet Miami still has the national championships in the last 35 yrs than other program aforementioned. It's a whole new year now as we all start fresh. GWAA- credit to Oregon- I thought it was a great game and they played Auburn tight. Doorie- credit to Munchbag for keeping Urban recruits and stealing one of ours with the Aubrey coach signing. Credit to Wisconsin and Ohio state for excellent but non-championship seasons. I had the luxury of meeting with Coach Golden a few weeks ago on a golf trip to Florida with Pops and son. He had this Pat Riley swagger-dressed for success and rolling in style. Since that chat- Al has signed 7 recruits stole one from Spurrier and munchbox and we still have 8 remaining scholarships to hand out giving us a few weeks to turn several top 100 uncommitted recruits towards C.G. The U is now closing in on a top 30 ranking for academics and is clearly now the best academic school in Florida. Golden Clearly is getting his message out and the U lore is impressing boosters and even certain other Florida university coaches as DB clearly knows. No Mailvan- I don't think the U will play for the title this year. We still have a QB controversy that will offset our D - one of the nations best. It won't be long before we win #6 and thats a fact jack. I can see the U in the ACC game vs FSU this year. That's a start. Admittedly, it would be nice to see immediate success but seeing the U always plays one of the nation's toughest schedules and just looking at the 2011-12 games, i know I'm aiming high. We still boast as the only team to win a title in each of the past three decades. We will make that 4 in the next few years. Keep up the momentum Golden- and steal recruits away with the lure of a gorgeous private top national university both academically and athletically.
2/2/2011 11:00:24 PM - doug sandels - 746 posts (#31)

SEC Material?

3/9/2011 1:33:42 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

What do Tressel and Tom Penders have in common? (hint, it involves hiding serious legal proceedings against their "student" athletes from their bosses).


3/9/2011 2:50:46 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

The Big 10's reputation as home to sociopaths and scofflaws has been well earned.  If it wasn't such a long drive FSU and Miami would have been a good fit for the league's 11th and 12th teams.

3/30/2011 7:03:34 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

And the annointing of Oregon as the 2010 National Champs is nearly upon us:


And herve, shame on Ohio St for offering this young men nothing more than some poontang!

3/30/2011 7:17:38 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 Awesome! It's already been a terrific off-season for the Scarlet and Gray!

3/30/2011 8:32:02 AM - Dolphin Michael - 2,188 posts (#13)

You have to love Auburn. That's a great story.Our poor athletes have to get their own gun and their own broomstick and find their own hookers with their own money.... At Auburn, a booster provides everything, even the broomstick.

4/3/2011 3:13:58 AM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
Here is the situation. Herve and I have a wager set to occur on the U-Ohio St game. Golden has hired the perfect staff and The Canes will win atleast 10 games in 2011-12. They will certainly end top 10-15 and if they complete their always didficult OOC- they could be poised for a monster year. They will have the best RB core in the NCAA and a defense that is one year older but still very young. Cant wait!! Mad props to Golfen for getting those extra 8 studs so Kate in the game. 4 appear as possible freshman starters. Yowza
4/3/2011 10:42:59 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

GWAA, Oregon has a little something that Wale has dubbed "Phil Knight money."  I suspect they are using it.

Lev, Last I checked Muschamp stole the Canes QB of the future (Brissett) despite being loaded at the position and being in a down year with regard to recruiting.  It's cute that Canes fans think they will rise again but if they do it will have more to do with their chump conference than that actual play.

Herve, I've got enough respect for you not to kick you while your boys are down.

4/3/2011 3:17:08 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 Kick away! They got it coming to 'em....and then some. I will offer VERY little defense.

4/26/2011 5:02:10 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Seems the teams that can beat Oregon in bowl games are CHEATERS!!!!


4/26/2011 5:54:18 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)


Seems some teams that are Oregon are CHEATERS!!!!!

4/26/2011 9:26:23 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Everyone (including some posters here) uses recruiting services. That may be why "scandal-plagued" is a term being used to describe Auburn and Ohio St's off seasons but not Oregon's. 

5/4/2011 4:02:12 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

More good news for Ohio St. football:


5/4/2011 6:17:05 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

With all these violations circling around college football, can anyone blame the Gators for needing to smoke a little weed to calm their nerves?

5/4/2011 8:03:59 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

Oh no! We lost our third string middle linebacker who has yet to start a game because he wasn't going to class. How will we ever recover?

Funny how nobody cares about Boise State getting cited for lack of institutional control by the NCAA. Oh they are too cute to be suspect! Nobody seems to be talking about Alabama's star recruit's father proclaimly loudly he had his mortgaged paid by AL.

No, the only real story is five idiots selling some of their awards and a coach who lied about them selling their awards. Of course selling their awards allowed them to train longer and harder, gave them a leg-up in all games they played in and helped in recruiting them (even though they were already enrolled). Yes, the advantage Ohio State gained by five of their football players selling their own awards was immeasurable and a violation against mankind.....MUCH MUCH WORSE than say hitting your girlfriend and going to jail for it, having a recruit'ds dad take $180K, paying a recruit's father's mortgage, multiple drunk driving charges and/or drug/gun charges.

5/4/2011 8:17:45 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

Herve, take off those scarlet and grey colored glasses.  College kids will do stupid things.  I teach college kids and am amazed at their lack of common sense on a daily basis.  I personally rank things like getting in minor scuffle, smoking weed, or selling trophies toward the lower level of stupid things, not going to class or cheating on exams toward the middle, and DUI or beating a girlfriend near the top of stupid things kids do and think the team punishments should be according to seriousness of the offense.  When you get to Boise State, or Florida State under Bowden, or what Tressel did in lieing to NCAA investigators we're not talking about stupid kids anymore.  We're talking about highly paid adults breaking fairly clear rules and then doing their damndest to weasel out of it with lies and obfuscations, sometimes at the institutional level.  Excuse Pryor et al for being knuckleheads and I can go along for the show.  Tressel is another issue.

5/4/2011 8:26:26 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 I readily admit Tressel lied repeatedly to the NCAA, to his own boss and to the President of Ohio State. He is being punished and will, rightly, be punished more. He get's paid multi-millions of dollars. This is his job. He signed a contract which says plainly "DON'T LIE!". He lied. He violated his contract with the University and the NCAA.

5/30/2011 8:21:23 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Ohio State, where the men are men and the pawn shop brokers are never lonley!


5/30/2011 8:28:48 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)


"Small later recanted his story, saying the authors twisted his words, but it was too late."

No reason to actually "report" when there's a frenzy going on. Of course, no one has told me yet how selling your own awards aids you on the football field.

5/30/2011 9:59:56 AM - rocket - 578 posts (#37)

Tressel resigns.

5/30/2011 11:16:55 AM - BCD - 455 posts (#44)
5/30/2011 4:30:08 PM - danjsport - 1,176 posts (#24)

Well- the Ohio State Administration makes GW's administration look great!  They ask their star QB to promise to return, to make his ridiculous suspension look a little less ridiculous.  He promises Jim Tressel that he'll return- and the University states repeatedly that Tressel will return, only to force him to resign just 2 months before the start of the season.  If they couldn't see this writing on the wall, then they all turned the same absurdly blind eye.

5/30/2011 6:34:53 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

Tressel resigned entirely on his own. Say what you want and make all the jokes that you want (and I'm sure you will), but college football just lost a terrific man and coach. He did so much more for the University and his players than just football. To a man, all the players and their families say they came to Ohio State because of Tressel. He probably had to go because he flat-out lied (regardless of the supposed motivation) and the way the media just plain hates him and Ohio State. I'm pleased OSU self-reports and doesn't cover everything up everyday like a lot of the upper echeleon schools do, but I'm not pleased a good man had to resign and I'm not pleased about selective enforcement, especially before there can even be a ruling. I'm also not pleased everyone has to cheat to varying degrees to win in big-time college football. In the end, I guess I'm happy he did not pull a Pete Carroll, but that's little consolation.

Ok, begin jokes starting.....NOW!

5/30/2011 6:39:59 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 PS- Here's the actual resignation letter:


5/30/2011 7:37:08 PM - MSC - 158 posts (#118)

Didn't Tressel pull a "Pete Carroll" when he left Youngstown State with two year probation for job at OSU?  

"While at YSU, Tressel’s football program was investigated for major NCAA infractions. It was found that on numerous occasions during the period beginning August - September 1988 and continuing through the spring of 1992, a representative of the institution’s athletic interests, who was at the time a member and chairperson of the Youngstown State University Board of Trustees, gave at least $10,000 in cash and checks to a football student-athlete for his personal use. In the fall of 1988, the athletics booster instructed the football student-athlete to contact a business associate regarding the use of automobiles. The football student-athlete contacted the business associate who provided the free use of automobiles to the eligible football student-athlete."
You may be looking at Tressel's character through Buckeye Red glasses.  There were  375 secondary NCAA violations at OSU between January 2000 and May 2009. This happens to be more secondary violations than any other division I school.

It's difficult to respect OSU when their President Gordon Gee was asked when the news on Tressel first broke whether he had given any thought to firing football coach Jim Tressel for the scandal that erupted, his response was nothing less than despicable:  "I'm just hoping that the coach doesn't dismiss me," Gee said of Tressel.

5/30/2011 8:39:27 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 OSU has self-reported more violations than any other school in the country for the past 10 years. Numbers can tell you whatever you want to believe--that cuts both ways. There's not a team in the top 35 that doesn't commit multiple violations every few months. There are teams which commit terrible violations. Most violations are all secondary (ex. "called a recruit four times rather than twice during a certain period of time."). The difference is most schools report very little because there is no incentive to report.

5/30/2011 10:47:34 PM - cagwuk - 125 posts (#135)

Sort of reminds me of the recent resignation of Howard Davies, former head of my current school...

Yes LSE took some major risks in solicitcing and accepting Libyan investments, but so did many other schools.  they self-reported, began a full investigation, and took it squarely on the chin from a russell-group-bashing media, and as a result, lost one of the best university directors in the world... shame.

anyways, random tangent, but I guess I can somewhat empathise with what you've described, Herve.

5/31/2011 8:41:08 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

He sounds like a nice, charming, morally ambiguous and wholly unethical person in that article. Seems like his plausible deniability is missing the "plausible" part. Still, not as egregious as the "death penalty"-deserving shenanigans Pete The Cheat did at U$C or the outright pay-for-play at Auburn, though the article paints the picture of a program gone out of control.

5/31/2011 5:30:00 PM - BCD - 455 posts (#44)

LOL: look who pulled up in a new (to him) car w/ temp tags to the meeting to find out Tressel'd been canned:


6/1/2011 3:58:36 AM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
Lmfao. Hahahaha. I think you should send me the woodford now Herve. Don't forget to engrave it with... The 5 time National Champions-- the "U". That Tressel- sucks to be "the example" doesn't it? The U served every teams recruiting bullshit and frankly- only ND was able to get away with murder and only get a slap on wrist. I can promise you one thing -Golden has shit figured out and Dootie will be popping Bobby Browns bubbles in misery when he sees The U's better 2012 class.
6/2/2011 1:26:19 PM - squid - 1,407 posts (#22)

I'm just posting to get this to 300.

PS Lane Kiffin sucks.

6/2/2011 2:04:56 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

I like the way Gators changed coaches better.  Less sanctiony if you ask me.

6/3/2011 3:06:36 PM - BCD - 455 posts (#44)

because herve is my brother from another mother, and to keep this thread alive:

6/3/2011 3:44:26 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 And this is just from the punter:

But why report things from actual players or their families, rather rely exclusively on players kicked off the team and/or criminals and rumors. Don't look at GPAs, graduation rates or APRs either why you're at it. Don't look at violations which were only violations starting in 2007 either, rather just say they were always violations all the time. Nope, just report it and it becomes true.

6/3/2011 6:49:26 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

Tim "Jesus" Tebow says we should just give guys a scooter and Outback coupons.

6/6/2011 9:43:33 AM - BCD - 455 posts (#44)

The punter's point is that ratting out violations of a team that's winning should be frowned upon?  And that covering up those violations to avoid losing those violating players in order to keep winning is admirable?  Interesting take.

Also, that SI piece may be accurate but holy cow what a hatchet job.  Tressel may be guilty and unworthy of his reputation, but lol at all the name-calling, supposition, and hyperbolically-negative phrasing of the author's negative characterizations.  Sports media sucks.

6/6/2011 9:57:35 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

Columbus Dispatch Editor responded on Sunday as to why the didn't have the same "sources" as Sports Illustrated said they could not verify any of the sources, questioned their validity and were not comfortable reporting it as news. Two other media outlets have now investigated further and found out one of the main sources is a homeless woman and the two others named deny all the allegations saying it was all made up.

Finally, the QB at the center of the Youngstown St. scandal years ago denies Tressell ever knew anything about the situation at YSU, but does admit to taking money. This was in a full interview with the Youngstown paper last week.

So now were back to what it really was which was stupid kids selling their own stuff (something which was not an NCAA violation until a few years ago) and a coach who lied about them selling their own stuff.

6/6/2011 10:57:03 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
@Herve- wait, Tressel lied? The great Tressel lied the first time he was asked about the charges/infractions? Oh wait- no, he lied many times, distorting truths and causing a tremendous amount of pressure on the NCAA and BCS to aptly punish. The Canes among other top notch programs of the past 40 years, have paid their dues through significant fines, recruiting limits, scholarships and post season games. Y'all gave me shit and I accepted it like a man. Now we have seen programs with strong advocates here : Florida, Oregon, The Ohio State, USC etc. The U hadn't had a violation in over a 15 years. They are now the exception to the rule and won two championships post violations. (now that we see Nebraska and Ohio St violations - maybe even more) Shannon had all the talent (never recruited at home which cost him his job after mediocrity) but never got us to 11 wins. My bet- Golden leads The U to a 10 win season and a BCS game due to their schedule difficulty. The OHio State- under 9 wins- tops. What cheaters. Lmao. Can't wait for College football. !!!!
6/8/2011 6:40:12 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

SEC, SEC, SEC, SEC, SEC (repeat)

6/8/2011 7:26:21 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 It's going to get MUCH worse for OSU before anyone in Columbus can dream of things getting better.

6/8/2011 8:02:45 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)


6/8/2011 9:33:02 AM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)

Herve, I know you're close to this so I'll tread lightly.  The SI author is the youngest Pulitzer Prize winning sportswriter in history.  I'm going to tend to side with his version over a couple of shady characters who are now claiming that their accounts were made up.

6/9/2011 8:08:17 AM - BCD - 455 posts (#44)
6/9/2011 8:13:39 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 And from the world of "strange bedfellows"....


6/9/2011 1:51:21 PM - BCD - 455 posts (#44)

LSUfreek is awesome.

6/9/2011 2:25:06 PM - ziik the shirtmaker - 68 posts (#4)

It's only a matter of time before Art Schleeeeeeester (sp) checks in on this. ( I expect him and Denny McLain to be found dead in the same prison riot some day. That, or be rehabbed as celebrities of some sort on one of the cable networks.)

Herve-- I "care" about Ohio State only because of you and the Herve Family, because of my former best friend, who was an Ohio State law school alum (who knew they even had a law school?), and because of James Thurber. Looking at Dr. Gee, it's pretty damn obvious that athletes got the idea of selling their wardrobes right from the top of the sartorial pyramid. What a f---'ing fop!! (I say this as a formerly well-dressed young man.) That guy has got to go. 

6/9/2011 4:07:48 PM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)

BCD, why was it bad journalism?  Because the only ones willing to go on record were the "lowlifes" with presumed axes to grind while anyone with a reputation to protect refused to talk?  What's the solution in a situation like this...to not write the article at all?  If I were OSU president Orville Reddenbacher or Gene Smith, I would have been pretty anxious to set a few things straight and at the very least, let the public know (better late than never?) that everything is being taken seriously and that the school intends to fully cooperate with the NCAA and if accurate, refute any of the untrue claims.  It's a safe bet that they were advised by attorneys not to talk which anyone can understand under the circumstances.  However, I can't refer to this as bad journalism simply because the "good guys" refused to talk.

6/10/2011 1:59:20 PM - BCD - 455 posts (#44)

as I said originally above, the facts may all be facts but the characterizations and negative framing of context is silliness.  I'm not willing to re-read the article to cite citations but I invite you to read it and consider what facts are presented vs what the author is saying that is negative.  Presenting facts=good journalism. Presenting negative characterizations is not.

And apparently the facts, as presented, are in dispute now.  Sheesh.

And I'm not an OSU apologist.  For all the shit herve's given me over the years relating to UK, Emory, and thousand-dollar-handshakes, my schadenfreudist tendencies are throbbing.  But even when trying to find some glee in this mess, that article is shameful. 

6/10/2011 2:07:30 PM - Tuna Can - 1,449 posts (#19)

THis could go to 4 or even 500.

6/10/2011 2:26:34 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 this thread doesn't really "count" in the big-boy threads because it runs for a few years and is suppose to contain all the college football crap most folks on this board want to ignore....these days, myself included. 

6/18/2011 2:20:28 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Then there are the traffic scofflaws at UNC. Geez, isn't there a booster in mayor's office who can "fix" these things before they become a matter of public record?


6/18/2011 10:58:38 AM - doug sandels - 746 posts (#31)

Butch Davis is really running a tight ship in Chapel Hill.  I'm sure he learned his squeaky-clean ways during his previous college job.

6/20/2011 7:38:13 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 Yep, "good investigative journalism" by SI:


6/20/2011 8:03:47 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 Show's up fine on this end under two different connections and no-cache:


Family, friends support local Buckeyes facing accusations

In the weeks after a Sports Illustrated investigation into the Ohio State football program and former head coach Jim Tressel unearthed new accusations against current Buckeyes, family and friends have asserted their innocence while the players have met with NCAA and OSU compliance officials.
Two of the nine current players named in the article posted on SI’s website on May 30 are local products — defensive backs Zach Domicone (Beavercreek High School) and C.J. Barnett (Northmont). Accused in the article of trading memorabilia and autographs for tattoos or money, the players have strongly argued their innocence, according to family members and former coaches.
“It is not true,” said Fred Domicone, father of Zach Domicone. “You can’t say it any simpler than that.”
Collin Abels, the Northmont defensive coordinator who remains close with Barnett, said the cornerback “adamantly denies what was reported in the story.”
Family members of at least three of the other seven players have spoken out harshly against the article, which was posted the day Tressel announced his resignation.
Ohio State has told players not to talk with reporters; SI has said it stands by its story.
In the nearly two weeks since, Domicone, Barnett and others named have spoken with investigators and have organized memorabilia and receipts while dealing with the fallout.
Especially difficult for players was the timing of the article, which came out during a week when many took final exams.
“He said, ‘I can’t focus,’ ” Fred Domicone said of Zach. “I told him not to worry about it and just tell the truth.”
More accusations
The Sports Illustrated article came five months after Ohio State announced that six players — quarterback Terrelle Pryor, running back Dan Herron, receiver DeVier Posey, offensive lineman Mike Adams, defensive end Solomon Thomas and linebacker Jordan Whiting — violated NCAA rules by selling memorabilia or accepting improper benefits.
In the months since, OSU has faced a stream of stories accusing Tressel of lying to NCAA officials about his knowledge of the players’ association with a Columbus tattoo parlor owner and auto dealerships giving discounted deals to players.
SI investigative reporters arrived in Columbus in May and started digging. Their reporting produced a source — given the pseudonym “Ellis” in the article — who said he once worked at the Columbus tattoo parlor. Beyond the six previously named players, he said there were nine more who had violated NCAA rules: Domicone, Barnett, linebacker Dorian Bell, running back Jaamal Berry, running back Bo DeLande, linebacker Storm Klein, linebacker Etienne Sabino and defensive linemen John Simon and Nathan Williams.
Fred Domicone learned of the accusations against his son while driving back from a Memorial Day weekend trip. He said he was stunned.
“People were saying something would be coming out,” Fred Domicone said. “But I didn’t know it would be something like this.”
For players already coping with Tressel’s resignation — he had previously been fined $250,000 and suspended for the first five games of 2011 for admitted violations — seeing their names in the article was an extra hit.
“He called me the morning Coach Tressel resigned,” Abels said of Barnett. “He was just devastated.”
Stating their case
Fred Domicone said Zach learned of the tattoo parlor in question when he arrived at Ohio State in 2008. Not knowing many people there, he was told the tattoo parlor was a gathering place. He went twice, his father said.
“He called and said he wouldn’t be going back,” Fred Domicone said. “He said it was kind of a shady place.”
Fred Domicone said one of the family’s first moves once the SI article was posted was collecting Zach’s memorabilia in his room at Ohio State and photographing it. He said the timing further stressed his son, who was studying for final exams. In one two-day stretch, he met with OSU compliance officials at night, took an exam the next day and met with NCAA investigators afterward.
Barnett also has been accounting for his memorabilia while meeting with NCAA officials, Abels said.
“He felt like he had done everything right since he had been there, so he was hurt by the accusations,” Abels said.
“He said, ‘I’ve saved the receipts from my tattoos. I’ve never failed a drug test. This is the farthest thing from the truth.’ ”
Barnett’s mother, contacted by the Daily News, refused to comment on the story.
Speaking out
Klein’s father was the first to speak to reporters following the article’s posting. He told ESPN.com he considered legal action against SI.
“My son has no tattoos on his body,” Klein’s father told ESPN.com. “I have all of his memorabilia. What has been written is preposterous. My son has been routinely tested for drugs and has never had a positive test.”
In the ensuing days, parents of Simon and Williams also asserted their sons’ innocence. Simon’s father told The Columbus Dispatch that his son had never been to the tattoo parlor and that by Monday night a “support group of coaches and others” was already in place in Columbus.
Williams’ mother told The (Cleveland) Plain Dealer that she and Williams’ father possessed all of his Gold Pants — awards for OSU players on Buckeyes teams that beat Michigan — bowl jerseys and rings.
“He told me, ‘I just want to put the pieces of this team back together and play our season,’ ” she told The Plain Dealer.
Fred Domicone and Abels said the local players feel the same and hope the issue can be resolved soon.
“People who know him,” Fred Domicone said, “know that’s not true.”
Contact this reporter at (937) 225-7389 or knagel@DaytonDailyNews.com.


6/20/2011 10:11:41 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Hmmmm. Local paper that missed the story and is known for booserism vs a prestigious national magazine with no vested interest? Which one to pick?

Are you seriously implying that Tressel and Ohio St were innocent victims of a media "gotcha" sting bcause some team members and their parents are rallying to the defense of their multi-million dollar meal ticket?

6/20/2011 10:19:31 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 Tressel and OSU are NOT innocent. However, this is now the third newspaper to come forward and say "the sources were not credible" and they never even tried to find out the other side of the story or get any other quotes. S.I.'s only sources are a homeless woman and drug addict/dealer who is currently in jail. I would think if I was a journalist with those sources PERHAPS I'd attempt to find out any part of the other side.

6/21/2011 12:35:34 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 Oops! Some more things SI "somehow" got wrong, but no need to correct the record:


6/21/2011 1:15:48 PM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)

Why did Mr. Klein say he "considered" legal action against SI as in past tense?  Sounds like he has a helluva case.  What is stopping him?

And Herve, let's not make it sound like no attempts were made by SI reporters to speak with OSU officials.  It's pretty clear that they were not willing to talk on or off the record.

6/21/2011 7:00:03 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
DMV- all this means to me is that noe I will get less points or possibly even maybe giving points Sept 17th. I'm trying to get that personalized Woodford Reserve back my way. All this shot does is cost me valuable spread. Clean up OSU and Herve - I will take the U getting 6 Pts now. FYI. Hehe
6/24/2011 6:33:39 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Ohio St's board getting in on the act now. Something tells me the tone of its meetings will not be as amicable as the tone at GW's athletic review committee's.


6/26/2011 8:22:58 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

Thanks to the College World Series, SEC teams showed once again that clean well run athletic programs can win games.

6/26/2011 3:45:04 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 Why would anyone report on this since doesn't have anything to do with stuff that actually did NOT go on at Ohio State afterall?


6/27/2011 4:02:42 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

I don't get it. UofO has not been accused of doing anything wrong or covering up doing anything wrong (and can Ohio St claim that?). Of course, when you regularly kick the butts of U$C and Arizona St and Washington, teams that DO distribute the wealth, I can see how jealousy might rear its head in ugly and libelous fashions.

6/27/2011 6:22:35 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

Libel would require this 25K to disapear.  Now that the NCAA is sniffing around it should be interesting to see what else they can find in the closets of Eugene.  UofO's storyline that they've risen to the top of the NCAA because of their Nike uniforms and Boise State's story that the blue field attracts recruits seem, how should I put this nicely, a little implausible.

6/27/2011 7:13:32 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

Gotta pay closer attention GWAA. Seems to me that recruiting violations provide far more on field edge than some stupid guys trading their stuff for tattoos, but, then again, my name isn't Phil Knight so what do I know.

6/27/2011 11:43:48 AM - doug sandels - 746 posts (#31)

I notice that Oregon hired THE EXACT SAME LAW FIRM while lawyering up that Ohio State was using during the past year.

6/27/2011 4:51:52 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 Wait! Hold on! There are other schools this goes on at!? I'm shocked!!! An upstanding outfit like the Gators certainly doesn't compare to the grandma-rapers in Columbus OH!:


6/27/2011 5:16:38 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

Crowder has been in the NFL since 2005.  The University has no obligation to police him from selling his Gator gear post-graduation.  And let's "hypothetically" assume he sold his gear during his college years.  One player selling his gear is a blip on the radar for the NCAA as long as a rotten program and dirty coach don't seem willing to slit their grandmothers' throats in order to cover it up.  Plus Crowder doesn't insinuate that the school had a secret under the table deal with a local auto dealer.  The real tragedy here, however, is that if the Gators had cheated at least they won some national championships while doing it.  I read a few stories about some Big 10 club that cheated and got rolled by the big boys any way.

6/27/2011 6:43:30 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 And yet S.I. saw fit to call out Ohio State players from as far back as 2001 for the exact same thing as Crowder, even though the NCAA rule to do so went into place in 2004 and the allegations were by a homeless woman and denied by the players themselves. Weird. Guess the Gators, Tarheels and Ducks just aren't big enough to make major sports news fodder.

6/27/2011 6:56:30 PM - notta hater - 2,346 posts (#11)

Herve, let it go. OSU suffered the "cover-up is worse than the crime" crime.  Coach T had to go because he continued to lie.  OSU has to make it a big deal because it has to start its investigation and report from square one in light of a lot of the coach back-tracking.  OSU will come out as well as any other BCS program will when it's their turn in the next five years.  Frankly, what it did pales relatively to some other issues.  Think about what we have been through in the last 15-20 years.  Miami, Texas A&M, USC, South Carolina, Notre Dame, FSU, Clemson, Col, Tenn., Michigan, WVU, BC, . . . book-making, cheating, grade short-cuts, payments to players and families, allegations of providing escorts to recruits . . . it is very sad that these are our institutions of "higher" learning.

6/28/2011 8:29:45 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
@Notta hater-- one would think that when Miami paid the price for so many other teams who did the exact same violations--as the only example set (even though now we know it was more like 50-60 teams) with the massive fines, lost schollys, lost bowl opps and major coaching turnover- THAT teams would stop doing them or at least, when you're caught---stop lying about them. Lmao Fuck OSU. Golden has the U on the straight and narrow. When was the U's last recruiting violation???!???!! Exactly. We won two championships and one more STOLEN from U's since. Lev out . Biatches
6/28/2011 8:35:52 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 Where is OSU's recruiting violation again? Oh yeah! There are NO recruiting violations. Best of luck Lev as the team which whipped the 'canes last year is still basically intact and ready to roll in Miami again. What's lost in all of this is OSU returns almost the entire same team, only now with a chance to actually have an offensive game.

6/29/2011 10:04:50 AM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)

That's really true Herve.  Will OSU be better without Pryor (one could make this case)?  Or will Vegas give them an over-under of say 5 1/2 thereby destroying everyone's confidence?  What a shame fror the conference that the best game of the season takes place in week 1 of the conference season when Nebraska plays its first-ever Big 10 game against the Russell Wilson led Badgers.  Maybe someone can creatively rework schedules and move that game to the Ohio State-Michigan time slot in late November.

6/29/2011 11:13:52 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

Once again, the key Big 10 game of the year will be Wisky @ OSU. We'll see how Russell responds to something a little different than an ACC football crowd.

7/2/2011 10:20:36 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 Oregon should have stuck to selling their consistent "runner-up" gear for money:


7/8/2011 2:31:41 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 You got it Dootie! five guys trade stuff for tats and the whole program should be imploded--after a scant 105+ years of football!

7/8/2011 2:34:33 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 .....or maybe (as the rumor keeps going) Urban will become the next OSU coach and then all of the Bucks self-imposed punishments can involve suspending star players for the first :45 seconds of the 3rd quarter.

7/12/2011 9:55:59 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

"Five guys trade stuff for tats and whole program should be imploded"? Talk about missing the forest by looking at all the trees. That is like a shipmate seeing an iceberg off the bow of the Titanic and deciding it is only a little bit of ice that cannot be too big. As for the allegations made by questionable sources ("I blackmailed $25,000 from them" does not aid one's post facto credibility) against the UofO, it will not be hard to determine if there is any validity to them or not as the UofO is subject to the most transparent "sunshine law" in the country regarding its financing. If anything fishy comes up (and given how sleazy college football is, that is always a possibility), you can bet the farm that the first people to take strong action will be the administrators at the UofO themselves.

7/12/2011 10:44:56 AM - notta hater - 2,346 posts (#11)

come on.  Stop.  It's how the programs function.  How many 30 on 30 ESPN programs and HBO Sports touch the issue.  The Fab-Five, SMU, Marcus Dupree, the U, . . . it truly is a matter of watching a team get caught and whispering under your breath "but for the grace of God . . ." Free Shoe University, BC point shaving, Tulane point shaving, phone cards, texting, bookstore privilges, death in the dorms, student rapes, escorts for recruits, agent payments to players

7/12/2011 4:08:38 PM - Dolphin Michael - 2,188 posts (#13)

Seems coach kicked starting guard off team for popping the bar manager in the mouth for feeling that the managter had "looked" at his girlfriend funny. Tougher standards are tough, I guess. That first game will be interesting! How about seven on seven?

7/14/2011 7:25:16 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 But who needs facts when we've got click-views to sell!:


7/16/2011 6:17:50 AM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
@Dolphin - no chance of the 7 on 7 pal. Were gonna need a few games to situate our new schemes. I'm looking forward to immediate results. I want 10 wins and no less damn it. Haha. Golden has done a tremendous job. 2012 will be off the hook. I will gladly take a season of wins over vatech , FSU and OSU any day. That's the idea for now. No more 7-6 or 8-5.
7/16/2011 11:34:13 AM - Dolphin Michael - 2,188 posts (#13)

I guess that you don't trust your "skill" position players, eh?! I hope that the U has their players chasing after  receivers heading to the goal line, since it will be something that they will need to get acclimated. The Miami safeties are going to be saying "Ah shit!" most of the game.

7/16/2011 5:56:23 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

Herve, can you forward two names (Dennis Talbott and Ted Sarniak) to Buckeye Battle Cry?  Not to besmirch the reputation of what is clearly an unbiased source of football news, but the author of that article seems to have a couple of blind spots big enough to be worthy of a Rupert Murdoch publication.

7/18/2011 9:00:23 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain:


7/18/2011 9:56:41 PM - rocket - 578 posts (#37)

GWAA will love this. But maybe not this as it will offset that somewhat. I could not find something from the 1973 Rose Bowl to record Sam's accomplishments but herve miight like that. Of course the next year, then gosh I was not there, we sucked against a truly great team. But then there was this. Sorry herve watch to the very end of the last one on the video. We got the rubber match. Hope I got my links right.

8/1/2011 2:18:06 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

And now the folks at North Carolina are learning the hard way how football can ruin an Athletic Department:


8/15/2011 8:55:00 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)


I find this about as surprising as the sun rising in the east. 

8/15/2011 10:11:14 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
Leave it to a Dootie Bubble to give merit to charges made by a guy who led a pinch scheme worth over 900mil !! The guy needs money desperately as his family faces suicides and more charges. If you believe anybod this you're a fool. NCAA was there today and wrapped up their "must" investigation already. Sorry DB- it's just Florida, Oregon and Ohio St this year bub. Golden has the squeaky clean image that not even your Dootie can shit on! Hehe
8/15/2011 10:25:50 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
Bring back spell check! My trigger finger is always on the send button. Haha. These IPads suck as they change words like Ponzi to Pinch. I mean really?? I gotta be more careful. Quick note- This guy Shapiro is a complete asshole. Thank god my fam had absolutely no dealings with him ever. Can't say the same for most of Palm Beach County. He screwed so many and so many great charities. What a Dootie! Hehe
8/16/2011 7:09:50 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

If it weren't for schmarmy con-artists like Shapiro "the U" wouldn't have any almni.

8/16/2011 7:45:35 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 But it was okay when it was drug dealer in prison as the main source Lev? I look even more forward to the half empty stands in Miami.

8/16/2011 8:19:46 AM - Tuna Can - 1,449 posts (#19)

squeaky clean is what you are before you get caught.

8/16/2011 9:11:20 AM - Big Mo - 233 posts (#89)

I am wasting too much valuable time scrolling to the bottom of this one

8/16/2011 6:22:55 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
Did Shapiro even go to Miami? And Tuna- this had no barring on the Golden Boy. The accusations all fall under Shannon and one year of Coker I believe. Again- accusations from a desperate man in jail for 20 and writing a "tell all" of hoe he swindled money as far north as Gainsville DB.
8/16/2011 7:06:40 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 Oh man the "U" chatter and rumor-mill (mostly from die-hard Cane's fans, you know, both of 'em) is as ugly as anything college football will ever see. Talks about $10k pay-outs to recruits and current players, the works. Makes guys selling their own awards seem like chump-change. Not to be out-done, I'm also hear LOTS of wonderful stuff about investigations at Alabama and, of course, the always-ready-to-vacate Auburn Tigers.

8/16/2011 6:28:57 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

Lev, did anyone ever go to Miami?  I just assumed all you had to do was throw on the orange and green and start talking smack to consider yourself an alumni.  I could be wrong but it's hard to spell scUmbag without "the U."  And are you trying to imply that Shapiro, a man with a study lounge named after him at "the U," is stupid enough to think he can get time off his sentence for ratting on NCAA rules violations?

8/16/2011 6:33:51 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

Word on the street is that "the U" will only have enough uniforms to outfit 15 players because the rest of them will be going up for auction to pay back all the people that Shapiro stole his donations from.

8/17/2011 4:52:45 AM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
Oy vey- DB- lounge "used" to be named after him like most schools that get a huge (totaled) sum of cash/donation. Please- don't even start me going on the Scum at Gator Nation. You guys wreak of shit and you know it. Don't shot on our teams because Your "real" university isn't even Div 3. Mofo. Kapow! Seneca- u think I'm naive? Look back at this thread to know just where I stood on needing Golden/Gruden etc. Only fool was The MV - who tries to play Wisconsin fan- who ripped into E a year ago for supporting Shannon's goodbye for alledgedly turning away or simply bring naive. Still- my sources aren't nearly as surprised as yours Seneca. Ohio St and Oregon had way worse violations this year. Leave the U alone until charged and found guilty. You know- like Florida, Ohio St and Oregon.
8/17/2011 6:00:57 AM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
Oh and USC, Alabama and as Herve correctly pointed out, the so called SECheaters champs Auburn. I just read a great Spirting News article referencing all of the violations the SEC teams have endured throughout the years and only Arkansas seems clean. Haha. Funny that they have never never won even a SEC championship. So Dootie Butt and anyone else who dares enter this foray - the U especially under Golden is innocent as he was never caught lying or doing anything wrong. Shannon will have to answer to this as Golden takes the U to a 11-2 record and an ACC championship. Next year- our probation at best won't hinde our run at the National title. Lmao. Gosh I'm good. And Dootie sure smells like Dootie
8/17/2011 6:14:49 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)


Lev talks like a fan of "the U."  I went to a high school with a bunch of green and orange wearers.  They loved to shout until they got poped and then predictably shut the hell up.  Typical shit from kids who look like screech but think they're gangsters because they wear the same clothes as Luke from 2LiveCrew.

On the facts of the matter, however, I don't think Florida is currently under investigation so don't throw them into the same basket with Ohio State and Oregon.  They're certainly not on the line for any major violations.  And this D3 team, as you refer to them, has only won 2 of the last 5 national championships.  While Golden might not be under suspicion yet the guy's been on the job a couple months.  Give him time.  And many of your star players on his team are under suspicion with the NCAA and Yahoo investigating so this should be an interesting year for a new coach given what will likely be a very short roster.  With 2011 in the crapper it's just a matter of time before 2012 commits to "the U" start looking elsewhere for an opportunity to play.  Maybe some will end up in a real conference like the SEC but I suspect most won't because the SEC doesn't need Miami cast-offs to win national title number 7 in a row. 

8/17/2011 7:06:00 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

SMACK!!!!! I am loving this arguing amongst Least Coasters. To "recap" this (hey, since Lev doesn't do it anymore, someone has to): Lev thinks MIami (Fla) is great and untarnished because it can't beat Wiz and has convicts as boosters and to prove it he argues that the University of Florida is home to morons. Dootie counters that Florida is, in fact, the greatest because it comes from a conference that has outpaced U$C in player payroll to win the BCS and to prove it he points out that Miami (Fla) has a history of fashion faux pas and mediocre rap bands.

8/17/2011 7:36:19 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

GWAA, something I think we can both agree on is that with regards to Miami it's ashame that the NCAA can only dish out the death penalty to athletic programs and not entire universities.

8/17/2011 7:39:59 AM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
GWAA- lmfao. Two more things you forgot dear friend. 1- the U's overall record over Florida - gosh that pisses DB off like nothing other. 2- Recaps ;) are back for 2011-12 mofo! Woo hoo! This shit Shapiro is a piece of work. And again- so much of his shit is Dootie. His Bubble has popped just like Gator Nation. How much did they pay to recruit Tebow? What Was it 53k? Dootie knows best to plug his butthole. The U will not suffer nearly as much (if even found guilty) as at least 10 other major programs. I mean look at North Carolina and Oregon! Busted hardcore. Nothings worse though than lying directly to the NCAA. I guess only Ohio St knows about that. I fucking can't wait for this season to start! This is just getting good! Go Golden Boy Go! Hey Dootie- u guys gonna win 7 this year before a Bowl? Wed still beat ur ass even if we only dressed 14 Woot Woot!
8/17/2011 7:40:31 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

GWAA, on another front I've got some tapes from Willie Lyles labeled "Recruits, 2004."  If I mail it to you will you send it to Eugene.  He says they should send him $25,000 for his efforts.

8/17/2011 7:42:18 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

Lev, this Shapiro shit seems to be getting to you.  Were you one of the pros Nevin bought for players?

8/17/2011 7:45:19 AM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
I got my video of doing the U with Sapp too. Awesome! Great find Herve. Jealousy is so u guys. U wish u had gold caps biatches
8/17/2011 7:50:51 AM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
Yes- Im damn proud to be a "great" at the U. Really? Did Dootie just figure that out? I never took a handout though. I just revel in the glory of that amazing 4th quarter comeback with my boy BB. Blow on that Bubbles. Hey- what's a bath without bubbles?
8/17/2011 7:59:16 AM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
Let's all say it together....53 thousand! 53 thousand!! DB- u paid Gods child to cone to Gainsville and will never win again. U sold ur souls to the devil. All I'm guilty for- or my beloved U and dear friend Sapp is guilty of - is selling our soles to Ferragamo. In fact I still do. Lmao. We got 5 of yes we do- we got 5 so how bout U? That's right. We should have 6 but one got stolen and were coming for revenge in a few weeks sons!
8/17/2011 8:09:25 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 This is NOT pass interference is it?:

8/17/2011 8:17:23 AM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
Ah oh!!! Someone's getting a little defensive!!! It's okay Herve. U stole it - it's all good. 6 would have been nice. It keeps U's motivated abd After seeing practice the other day- u best be ready as we Tear ur Pryorless puppies apart. So sad Tressel had to punk all u hard working union supporters. So sad. I'd hate being taken for a fool- then again- ain't that par for the course in the Big 10? Hehe. I can't wait for my Woodford to arrive baby!
8/17/2011 6:26:53 PM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)

Lev, my team signs Russell Wilson and is getting ready to legitimately compete for a national championship and your team is left to wonder whether the death penalty is to be bestowed upon them...and I am the fool?  Seriously Lev, I was ready to give you an enormous break on this one, assuming that you had to be bummed beyond belief over this.  And then you had to call me a fool.  Mistake.

By the way, since I don't believe that it has been mentioned, I couldn't help but notice that our own Patrick Nero was employed at the U when Shapiro began his spending spree in 2002 (PN left in early 2003).  Let us sincerely hope that he had no knowledge of any of this.

8/17/2011 6:42:19 PM - notta hater - 2,346 posts (#11)

it's vague, but I recall a few years ago, the NCAA found that the U was in violation regarding extra benefits - however the statute of limitations had expired.  I thought I read that although it could no longer be punished, the fact of a violation finding would be retained for future cases when determining if the U lacked internal and external controls in determining severity of sanction in future proceedings - so-called propensity evidence for you criminal guys.  If that is true, and the facts in the current investigation are true (which although I hate the U's sports program, does not completely ring true to me - a Madoff wannabe shouting from behind his jail bars just does not motivate me to look), what type of punishment are we talking about?  I mean we could be talking about a deep, deep cut in recruits, post season, some vacated games and titles - wow this could be huge.  And to think, UNC just fired one head coach who was at the U when some of this was going on . . .

8/17/2011 8:47:16 PM - Dolphin Michael - 2,188 posts (#13)

Miami allegations are a game-changer

(From the Baltimore Sun)

Among the joys of college football is the sense of renewal each fall -- the notion that no matter what transpired the previous season (or didn't), another chance awaits.

Miami fans must have been feeling that sort of optimism, particularly with the arrival last December of a promising new coach, Al Golden, who was coveted by a number of schools because of his efforts with a resurgent Temple team.

Golden chose Miami (Maryland's opening-night opponent), where he is now enveloped in a new coach's nightmare.

The disclosure by Yahoo! Sports that a former booster “provided thousands of impermissible benefits to at least 72 athletes from 2002 through 2010" means Golden's duties have instantly multiplied. He most now try to prepare his team while playing defense.


Golden, whose opening game is less than three weeks away, must distance himself from something that began well before he arrived (former booster Nevin Shapiro told Yahoo! he was giving away gifts as early as 2002). Miami is obviously taking a wallop here. But it will be worse for the Hurricanes if Golden can't convince Miami's 24 commitments and their parents that the program has been washed clean, or will be soon.

That's Golden's burden, even if the scandal was not at all of his making. Fair or not, Golden becomes one of the public faces of all this, if only because he is the current occupant of the head coach's office. In addition to publicly discussing quarterbacks and defenses, Golden must talk compliance, compliance, compliance and hope that his message is received.

Coach are fastidious about looking forward, not back . But I think Golden and Miami know that -- assuming these allegations are true -- the school is obliged to thoroughly examine the culture that allowed the door to seemingly be so wide open to Shapiro.

If you're wondering why Shapiro went public, it seems to be because he is cooperating with authorities and angry at Miami folks who he feels abandoned him. His predictable behavior reminds me of the line from "Hangover" when Stu says: "I'm sorry, you mean the drug dealer at the liquor store wasn't a good guy?"

By the way, it seems too soon to know what effect this will this have on the nationally-televised Maryland-Miami game on Labor Day evening. According to the report by Yahoo! reporter Charles Robinson, Shapiro says he interacted with a number of current players. Suffice it to say, this sure changes the script.


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8/17/2011 9:31:26 PM - bobo - 2,928 posts (#8)


8/17/2011 10:06:30 PM - DMV - 52 posts (#192)

Maybe Levinator and Dootie Bubble can agree on this one ....



8/17/2011 10:10:46 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
With Haith's arm around Shapiro. Oy vey. I need to find a deep dark hole and hide. Nice job Donna! Hehe. The MV- you know I love ya. I'm trying hard to deflect just as Golden is. This is just the opposite of what we need going on. I truly doubt its as bad as Shapiro claims- he wrote a book already that failed to get published since all he had are pictures and a few ex- Miami grads. I'm sure he did violate rules and so the U is guilty. But to what extent remains to be seen. Ludicrous for any of u who love this thread over the years to think your program didn't have the same nature of booster benefits. So with that- Im funding the hole. Wake me up for the Ohio St game. Haha. Oy. Ps- DMV- not a chance that Nero was involved. Not a chance. Seriously. Thats not his style at all. He was distanced as i believe the coaches knew the deal. Not PN.
8/17/2011 10:44:26 PM - DMV - 52 posts (#192)

Who said Nero was involved?

8/17/2011 10:46:14 PM - DMV - 52 posts (#192)

Never mind I see it was MV above - Levinator keep us apart. My DMV stands for DC, MD, VA. The other guy I have no idea.

8/18/2011 10:30:29 AM - doug sandels - 746 posts (#31)

Just out of curiosity, can anybody remind me of what school Donna Shalala presided over before Miami?  I wonder if that school has been named in this thread.

8/18/2011 10:38:50 AM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)

That's quite a reach Doug coming from a guy whose team hasn't raised Paul Bunyan's ax in nearly 10 years.  In this day and age, it appears that nobody is immune from penalties and sanctions so I don't wish to sound sanctimonious.  At the same time, I would point out that if you'd like to study a program who is going about things the right way, you needn't look further than Madison.

8/18/2011 11:35:31 AM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)

Seneca, I am laughing at you.  Not with you.  At you.  Your first story took place ten years ago and the infractions included unfair housing assistance to football recruits and trading in apparel for store credit.  Your second story involves a recruiting violation because several coaches visited two recruits on a Sunday, formerly permissable, but changed to fall outside of the recruiting calendar.  In one instance, the player played for Illinois and in the other case, the player went unnamed.  The third story tells me nothing about what the Badgers did wrong or how far back in time these actions took place.

I thought it would be obvious (shame on me as it never is when you are involved) but my remark had to do with today's program.  Not ten years ago.  And the stuff that you had found is so miniscule in comparison to what's going on at The U and other major scandals that you ought to be embarrassed for even posting it here.  I'll save you the trouble...your response will be something like "breaking a rule is breaking a rule no matter how big or small".  But the reality is that it does matter how big or small the rule is.  Most people understand this.

8/18/2011 11:45:55 AM - seneca - 876 posts (#29)

Apparently NCAA violations are a laughing matter in Madison according to the one who proclaimed:

"I would point out that if you'd like to study a program who is going about things the right way, you needn't look further than Madison." 


That and apparently recruiting violations are going about things the right way. But of course MV wants to turn this into a MIami v. Wisconsin thing which I no way inferred or stated. Point was Wisconsin should not be held up as a program to study since they apparently made it onto the largest number of infractions list.


Again MV, certain things are just beyond you which is probably why you are laughing.

8/18/2011 12:58:06 PM - doug sandels - 746 posts (#31)

That's quite a reach Doug coming from a guy whose team hasn't raised Paul Bunyan's ax in nearly 10 years.  In this day and age, it appears that nobody is immune from penalties and sanctions so I don't wish to sound sanctimonious.  At the same time, I would point out that if you'd like to study a program who is going about things the right way, you needn't look further than Madison.

Sorry, MV but my team is just now joining the Big Ten and preparing to show Wiscy just why Barry Alvarez modeled his program around his alma mater. 

8/18/2011 1:12:55 PM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)

Thought you were a Minnesotan Doug.

8/18/2011 4:02:37 PM - doug sandels - 746 posts (#31)

I am a Minnesotan, but thankfully I was raised on the corn.  Both of my parents went to Nebraska and moved to Mpls just months before I was born.

8/18/2011 4:10:15 PM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)

OK, so we can have some good trash talk leading up to the Big 10 game of the year on October 1.

8/18/2011 4:30:33 PM - doug sandels - 746 posts (#31)

yes indeedy.  At least until the two teams play again in the inaugural Big Ten Championship game (how great it will be to not have Mechicken (who refused to play a home-and-home series with Nebraska at any point in the last 20 years) and the Columbus Mafia watching at home after their vaunted rivalry features two teams with combined double-digits in losses).

By the way lev, I'm pretty sure Warren Sapp is still getting some oxygen on the sidelines and missing out on this play:

8/18/2011 6:58:06 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)

Thanks for the reminder Dougie Fresh.   Unfortunately, I cant get several games against your corndogs and herve's union workers out of my head so no need to send me the damn images.  OVERLOAD.  hehe 

8/23/2011 3:57:06 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
Thanks Herve. Clearly I'm not the only one to notice the complete billshit letting 8 ex-canes who are just like all the others allegedly taking gifts but STILL cleared to play. Why doesn't the NCAA provide the reporters the reasons? They owe the 12 Canes who aren't yet cleared (60) are cleared as I broke that story last week. This is mostly all bullshit. This isn't a 30k car with their name on it. Its one pathological liars word against 18-21 yr olds who he feel left him hanging once charged for fraud. He even told the Herald he will do anything to take the Canes down and wanted to commit suicide. Great. If it was so clear- the U would have faced penalty already. This js now the longest investigation by NCAA in a decade. Why? Hmmm. Oh and noe top 3 witnesses interviewed by Hersld and Palm Beach WHO were named but never interviewed face to face by Robinson (haha he left that out when describing how hard he fad to work to break the case - duh ur a fuckin reporter- it takes time to actually write a story) have all said they were either misquoted or NEVER ever said what was reported. Lmao. Seems like Charles - the graduate of an anti- Miami school ( he also admits to growing up Dootie Bubbling life) wanted everything to make this article work. Hmmm. You mean u didn't have facts and just filled on the gaps with Shapiro bullshit?? Lmao. What a joke. I bet Robinson takes the stand reluctantly in the litigation trial and faces Thr heat for corrobating lies - hey it's happened before. Face it- 10 articles and countless blogs cone out each day over the 3 major rags in Miami. These two are very mild and most are far more attacking of Shapiro and Robinson. The NCAA has No excuse for clearing Debose and not the 12 hurricanes. 3 of the 12 were only alleged with one infraction and that was WiTH Debose. So why? Not even this reporter can justify it. Keep reading Zherve. With witnesses only interviewed by NCAA and not Robinson (in person) - evidence is changing and facts are being created ( which I broke last week for y'all) that is not matching Charlieball or Shitpiro story. Haha. My favorite part- the only real damning evidence found involves a cashed check from Shapiro to a peudo coach and recruit who are both cleared and at other universities. Ah d'oh. That really makes sense!! That's the best info in the 50 pages and their both found not guilty by NCAA. What a joke. Thank god ur innocent until proven guilty. Litigation is the next step after decision. Sources say- that's still months away as NCAA has no real concrete evidence to make decision after combing for 6 months. Wow. Telling. Just free the 13 Miami players so we can kick Herve and and Dolphin Mikes ass in peace. Woo hoo
8/23/2011 4:04:14 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 We obviously have different reads of these two articles.

8/23/2011 4:15:47 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
Ooh- let's have some fun. Let's change Robonsons article which was admittedly written 5 months ago, just published last week, but without updates to be more accurate. Miami caught up in Alleged scandal involving 12 Hurricanes and 1 chiefly coach while clearing 6 other coaches and 60 former or ex Hurricanes. Hahahaha. Yeah- ur right- that probably wouldn't sell as well. Shapiro owe 78 mil in reparations and well- his lawyer had to admit she will only make a percentage of his book sales as payment cause he's broke. Haha. Awesome. Good stuff.
8/23/2011 4:26:09 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
Herve- don't be jealous. Ur boys admitted to to the tattoos cause it was proven by burnt skin. And ur coach admitted to covering up the illegal activity. Wow. Ohio state was forced to give up their wins and thus - Miami was credited with the victory through vacating. I want my bottle of whiskey back son.
8/23/2011 10:47:10 AM - DMV - 52 posts (#192)

I'm no Miami hater but Levinator you have to stop squealing like a stuck pig. haha. Your boys are going to pay a price that much is certain - the only question is how much. Even lying scumbag felons tell the truth every now and then. For your sake you better hope this isn't one of those times to a large degree.

Also, I personally know several UM students (current) and alums. NOBODY is surprised by this. A LOT of people have seen some of these players out and about living large, driving high priced cars that don't belong to them, jumping the line at South Beach hotspots-heading straight for VIP rooms for comped action, eating at top Miami restaurants etc., etc., etc.. Now you might be right that there are others out there doing the same thing. But, my friend, that doesn't do you much good when you get caught.

Remember the threshold is not that every allegation is true - only that one or more is true - as proven by USC. You really think they are going to shake Miami upside down and find nothing?



8/24/2011 4:22:56 AM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
Lmfao. No DMV! I don't!!! Haha. That's part of the humor here my friend. If you actually knew me or DB- you'd know that we have tons if respect for each other and this "College football" thread is probably the only thread I've ever disagreed with a post from his disgusting ass! Lmao. Just saying!
8/24/2011 4:24:36 AM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
Now- in honor of post # 420... Lmao. Woo hoo! Go GW!
8/24/2011 7:08:15 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

DMV, do not believe a word out of that Lev's mouth.  He is full-o-shit.  I am directing a fleet of Somali pirates to head towards his whereabouts at full steam and give him a proper flogging.

8/25/2011 1:25:48 AM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
Ya see DMV- he sent Somali pirates and not Mossad! The pirates will rape and pillage the Eastern Coast for 20 years before they finally get to my crib. That's like 3 Miami championships from now. ;) DB- a bottle of Woodford to whicheva team finishes with better record this year. I say that even not knowing the fate of the 12. I got u pegged at 8-5. I got U's at 9-4.
8/26/2011 2:54:16 AM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
Gee Herve- I'd expect a guy like you to be able to find articles like this one: You know ... Fair and truthful. Haha. Slap on the wrist as we banned 8 of our own- in LSU style. another words- the U is doing all thru can. http://outkickthecoverage.com/the-ncaas-original-amateurism-sin-dwarfs-miamis-violations.php -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
8/26/2011 3:51:16 AM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
Here is breaking news herve should read. --------------------- http://allabouttheu.wordpress.com/2011/08/25/say-it-aint-so-joe/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------_-----now u understand why thr case is suspect. We know Joe and his buddy were investors who MADE money on The scam/ Ponzi. Get it!
8/26/2011 1:08:43 PM - Dolphin Michael - 2,188 posts (#13)

Ten days to the spanking

8/26/2011 3:42:33 PM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)

Lev, please help me understand.  Several Miami football players have been declared ineligible to play so now the school is in the process of trying to reinstate them.  Is this how people get punished at the U?  You're gone...wink wink...come back, we'll make it work.  This reminds me of a young Larry David quitting as a writer on Saturday Night Live because too little of his stuff was making it on the air.  Then, he told Julia Louis-Dreyfuss (a cast member at the time) that he can't believe what he had just done and that he really needed the job.  She told him that he should just show up for work on Monday like it never happened.  He did, and it worked. (BTW, George Costanza tried the same thing on Seinfeld with far more disappointing results...in case you're wondering where that subplot came from.)

8/26/2011 4:24:51 PM - notta hater - 2,346 posts (#11)

Miami should appeal - that's a lot of coin they have invested in those guys. 

9/1/2011 3:20:50 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Disagree with the article's premise since the turn around season was in 1987 (when the team scored home wins vs UW and U$C on consecutive weeks, both in front of the largest sports crowds in the state's history), one of the first years when the whole squad had scholarships. Before that, state law limited (if not barred) the program from giving players free rides. That led to the Rose Bowl run in 1994, expansion of Autzen Stadium and the national powerhouse all of you now bow before. Still, an interesting read:


9/1/2011 3:52:04 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Presented without comment, though folks going to the game at Cal in Nov might want to pay close attention (see, a basketball reference in this thread!):


9/1/2011 7:14:27 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 Figured I'd beat you all to the punch:


These three players attended a Breast Cancer Awareness event and took home the gift bag hand-outs everyone at the event received. OSU Compliance heard about it, immediatetly self-reported to the NCAA and suspended all three players.

9/1/2011 7:37:29 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

I bet if tOSU hadn't had the Pryor/Tressel problem and reported these violations to the NCAA the players would only have had to return the bags or a cash equivalent.  Missing games for this has little to do with the severity of the crime and more to do with the program being once bitten twice shy.

9/1/2011 7:57:52 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

Yep. Our A.D. is scared shitless about everything. Light a firecracker anywhere near the stadium and he'd scream for Homeland Security.

9/4/2011 5:06:02 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

Oregon! LOL

9/4/2011 6:38:10 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 Oregon always looks like one of the top high school programs in the country. Do you think Phil Knight pays more than the Sooners A.D. to be highly over-rated each year? Maybe they shoud both scramble to pay Cam Newton's dad to procreate again just like Auburn is doing this Sunday morning.

9/4/2011 10:40:35 AM - doug sandels - 746 posts (#31)

Gimmicks are fun, but the whole point of offense (and punt returning!) is to run at the opponent's end zone rather than backwards or sideways.

9/4/2011 10:44:02 AM - seneca - 876 posts (#29)

Oregon and Notre Dame lose on the same day. That's called hitting the daily double. Only thing better would have been a trifecta if Ohio State went down. All in good time though.

9/5/2011 4:44:13 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
Ok Dolphin Mike- you can't hide in the bumble bee Tuna Can forever. Your twerps are about to hit the national stage at home against my illustrious U. Best of luck as the joys of college football have arrived!! I don't care that were getting 3 1/2 points- that's the result of Vegas unsure of how the U will play under Golden without the 8 players and on the road. I will give you on even line. Herve and I usually do Bourbon, I forgot if you're a bourbon man during our last meet-up. Bottle of Woodford to the straight up winner? Holla! I got the final score- The U 31 - Twerps 20
9/5/2011 7:30:37 PM -

2011 "The U" = Golden's Girls


9/5/2011 8:05:49 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

I find it interesting how the announcers are talking about whether or not Miami can overcome their hardships.  Since when did getting envelopes full of cash, free booze in VIP booths on South Beach, and all the poon money can buy become a hardship?  I'm not saying any of these things are mortal sins or claiming that I wouldn't have done the same thing as the Miami players, but come on!  

9/5/2011 8:42:19 PM - ziik the shirtmaker - 68 posts (#4)

If I had not already all but written off major college football (on account of the corruption and the cranial injuries), I'd be puking over it right about now.

How about those U of Maryland uniforms?

If they're not a sure sign of schizophrenia in the decisionmaking portion of Maryland's athletic administration, I don't know what they might be.

What next? The basketball team in a harlequin-patterned, Borat-styled uni-swim-suit?

I know I am a hide-bound traditionalist, but if my kid wanted cash for a U-Md style football jersey or helmet, I'd take him in to a shrink for a check-up, real quick.

The Terps make the players at the U look positively preppy.

9/5/2011 10:06:06 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
That was a very funny post Ziik. Hey Dootie- who did u guys play this week? I forgot- Elon? Oh wait- that was vandy. Again- the U has the toughest rated schedule in the FBS. This is nothing new. We have to make up for a weaker BCS ACC. But u guys are a joke. You play 3 cupcakes and 1-2 terrible SEC games. 5 of ur wins come against bottom 100. D'oh. Too bad you have only won 8-9 after Tebow. And before. Why don't u man up and play Miami every year anymore? Oh that's right - all the losses! You guys are a joke and Spurriers yearly violations and lost school's and games don't make up for the terribly low class Gainesville Alumni. The whole nation laughs at you as you try to claim that your few titles only since 1990 or after mean u just became relevant. At least I got 50 years Herve! The U is showing just how explosive we are- and how young we are and can only get better. We get 5 starters back next game for Ohio State. Awesome! Morris and Miller have played well so far. Golden is desperate for our 5 defensive starters back! Clearly UMD has a great QB. The U is so much quicker and bigger. The rain is playing a major factor on speed. What an exciting awesome game! Go canes! Wheres dolphin?
9/5/2011 10:25:03 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
I'm sorry- I mean 40 sec in college. Wow. Scam at Maryland
9/5/2011 11:33:53 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
All right Tuna- u got the best of U's. No excuses- our defense sans the 5 starters - lacks depth. Thankfully 3 return and 5 total return for the Ohio St. Again- our speed is neutralized by heavy rains and credit Twerps QB, coach and talented Lineman for taking a beating and not giving up. Great game. Both teams led late and The Canes giving up that late 50 TD bomb cost thr game. Too bad Dolphin wussed out. Hd had a nice bottle waiting for him ;). Love ya DM.
9/6/2011 5:17:08 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

Miami! LOL.

Lev, talk to me about schedule strength when you play Alabama and LSU back-to-back.  Florida plays three of the preseason top 5 teams and 6 preseason top 25.  How many top 5 and top 25 teams do Golden's Girls play?

As for all your bitching and moaning above about the refs and clock, I've got a little recommendation.  The most questionable call all night was the late holding against Chism which kept Golden's Girls drive alive and you should worry more about your defense that looked like butter next to a pretty mediocre Maryland's hot knife and wonder why all the free cash and prostitutes in Miami can't draw enough recruits to field an at least modestly competent team.

One last final note, there's one conference that can send a 1 loss team to the BCS title game and it isn't the ACC.  Start figuring out a couple dozen ways to say "wait until next year" so your routine doesn't get stale.

9/6/2011 7:04:59 AM - Tuna Can - 1,449 posts (#19)

So, it must have been rough for you, Lev. All those excuses. O'Brien has a bad day at the office and you are looking at 348 yards. To bring this back to GW .... Randy Edsall proved that good coaches can switch styles for their players and make it work. Plus, things on the field were not working out like he wanted and he had to make more changes.

I gotta hand it to you Lev, you came REALLY CLOSE on the final score. Hats off to you.

Well, we will enjoy this for a bit until something really bad happens to the U. It is funny how the focus on playing short-handed for this reason or that was totally about Miami. Excuses are for losers.

9/6/2011 10:52:53 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)


Lest I have to read it posted by someone else one of the Gator's star defensive ends missed the season opener and is being investigated by the NCAA because his family was so poor that his high school had a bake sale to raise funds for him to travel to the Army All-Star game as a senior.  And if this sounds like complete and utter horseshit just blame this utter waste of the NCAA's time on  the school that is so jealous of Florida that it decided to anonymously send an email.

9/7/2011 7:07:50 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

Leave it to Lev to equate a high school selling cookies to fund a trip to the Army All-Star game with collecting wads of cash, buckets of booze, and barrels poon from a Ponzi schemer with college assistant coaches on speed dial.  And no matter what happens with Florida's brutal season record-wise, the Gators won't lose to a team as bad as  Maryland.  Comparing an SEC schedule to an ACC schedule just proves you know nothing about college football.  Your illogical claims are no more insulting to my intelligence than the crack addled whore in a Miami t-shirt with one leg and four tits who yells at cars that she's Miss America.

9/7/2011 1:36:06 PM - BCD - 455 posts (#44)

For my boy Lev 

9/20/2011 11:58:22 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
Hey Dolphin and herve- sorry if my vulgarity (although awesome) caused Us to lose Dolphins 2nd thread of college football. If it wasn't me - fuck that- j take nothing back. Go Canes! Haha.
10/4/2011 5:53:37 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Seems the poor, blown-out-of-proportion "swag for tats" issue was really a good, old-fashioned "cash from boosters" scandal after all!


10/4/2011 8:08:49 AM - doug sandels - 746 posts (#31)

MV, your Badgers looked ridiculously impressive pushing back the Nebraska defensive line with ease.  I have no idea why Pelini started calling pass plays when still in the 2nd quarter, but that sealed the game (Nebraska was moving the ball on the ground and could have killed clock and kept it close - the old Tressel ultra-conversative gameplan!).  Taylor Martinez throws passes like GW shoots free throws against Georgia Tech.  Oh well, at least the Huskers have a cupcake on their schedule for their Big 10 home opener.

10/4/2011 9:42:11 AM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)

Doug, I couldn't agree more with your assessment.  Nebraska felt that they HAD to show balance with their offense in order to win when the reality was that they went up 14-7 running the ball and then pretty much abandoned the run-only approach.  Also, Wisconsin has shown some vulnerability with their run defense although they had shut down the better teams on the schedule (Oregon state and No. Ill) as opposed to UNLV (rushed for 146 yards against them) and South Dakota (rushed for 124 against them).  Martinez is a talented athlete but he's just not a great passer yet.

10/10/2011 3:16:10 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Hey Lev and DB, have you guys seen this? Are there even any good college baseball teams in your "vaunted" state?


10/7/2011 8:12:45 PM -

GWAA, right now I'm assuming Florida is the third best team in the country since the Gators haven't lost to anybody ranked lower than #2.  Pollsters be damned.

11/6/2011 1:45:44 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

For all the mocking of Ohio St, U$C, Auburn, Miami (Fla) etc... that we do here, it is hard to find anything funny about this.


11/6/2011 7:08:35 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 for some reason this isn't getting any media play despite being insanely awful and the worst kind of cover-up. guess it's psu-JoPa-loveable-old-man media love--of course he had no idea about his long-time friend and assistant coach. Guess it's not like lying about tattoos. Be surprised if you see more than one small, buried AP story, which is also about where PSU's season is going to go as well.

11/6/2011 8:39:51 AM - Dolphin Michael - 2,188 posts (#13)

This story is almost too disgusting to have on the airwaves. Paterno just bought himself an asterisk. Anyway, this is the season that tries mens' souls. It has already sent many of us scurrying to find our backup favorite football teams. You know, I really think that this just goes to show how really important it is to be all about management and leadership in an institution. It isn't about RAH-RAH cheer leading and saying the right thing, it is about doing the right thing.

On Rah - Rah, not a problem as long as it is sincere and you have folks who go way past the extra mile to get the impossible done. When you have the right team going, the school just starts to pull together and excell. I get the feeling that, within 4 or 5 years, we will look back at our changes at GW and find some really amazing stories of success.

We all benefit at GW when a program respects the students and teaches them about life and providing 3 to 5 years of personal growth and learning. Football is, in my book, a tough sport to get the growth part going and the respect part. It chews up so many student athletes. At the end of the day, football is controlled mayhem. What it takes to succeed as a football coach is a mystery to me.

What I do know is that I, as a fan, want to see a successful career arc for the student athletes. That is what is so disturbing about MD and several other schools this year. Football is out of hand. In this past year, we have watched previously successful coaches just do complete meltdowns. As they do this, some teams have come apart. The pressure to win is so great. During these times, the need for good and successful leadership in the Athletic Departments becomes even more important. That's why I have so much confidence in our team at GW now. They are listening to everyone and reacting. Not every idea that they hear is as good as the next, but they do seem to be doing some heavy analysis and them spending money and setting aggressive goals.

Learning to win at the collegiate level is not as simple as one might think. The success is hidden in little numbers. In volleyball, for instance, this year, after the Duquesne win that sends the team to the A10 tourney, they came back for their 5th 5-game match win of this season. Last year, the team was neither strong enough or deep enough to go 5. That has changed. In men's soccer, we see success with this year's squad just when you want it, when you are led by several seniors and juniors. As I said earlier, you want to see a career arc that the athletes can take pride in. That is what we are seeing, now. My hope is that we will see the same thing for the seniors on the men's basketball team, as well.




11/6/2011 12:13:39 PM - Dolphin Michael - 2,188 posts (#13)

MV, i would bet you a whiole 5 cents that herve wasn't suggesting that the story would "go away" ...  There are also plenty of lawyers here who must be "cringing" when they read the articles.

11/6/2011 1:05:01 PM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)

Dolphin, Herve wrote "be surprised if you see more than one small, buried AP story."  I'd say you owe me five cents. 

11/6/2011 1:19:15 PM - thinker - 2,574 posts (#9)

Of the many injustices that occur in life, inmates killing child molesters in prison is not one of them.  With the level of complicity and indifference shown by all levels of leadership at PSU, I don't even know what the appropriate level of punishment would be.  I think you have to start with the firing of EVERY person who had the relevant information and did nothing.  The list needs to start with the university president and continue through Paterno, including taking his name off of the library.  With all of the faux indignation the NCAA shows towards, ticket scandals, game jersey sales, getting some spending cash, inviting players to "improper" bar-b-ques etc. I don't know how the NCAA will justify taking no action here - but that's what I expect they will do - nothing.

11/6/2011 1:59:34 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

I'm not willing to burn JoePa at the stake just yet.  The story that I read said JoePa didn't witness anything but was brought news of some indescretions between Sandusky and a young man in the shower by a graduate assistant.  He then passed news of these allegations to the athletic director which is exactly what he should have done.  If the graduate student told JoePa that Sandusky was hunching a pre-pubescent boy in the showers then I'd argue telling your boss isn't sufficient moral action on his part and he should have contacted the authorities and ordered Sandusky banned from PSU facilities.  If, however, the graduate student told JoePa that he suspected Sandusky was making googley eyes at a potentially college-aged young man who was showering I'd personally think sending it up the chain of command was the appropriate action.  When more details come to light I'm sure the embarrassment Penn State is now experiencing will make any potential significant neglect on JoePa's part a firable offense.  As far as Tressel I'll say it for the 100th time that I don't think the gear for tattoos business at Columbus was such a big deal.  It's a violation and deserved game suspencions but I assume stuff like this happens pretty regularly.  I do think Tressel finding out about it and not reporting it to the compliance guys at OSU was a huge deal and he deserved to be fired for it.  I'd make a similar argument with regard to Miami.  Young men taking free money and poon isn't really huge news.  When coaches allegedly knew about it and were involved, that's where shit should hit the fan.

11/7/2011 9:16:00 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Seems there is fallout from this story:


11/7/2011 9:48:03 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Hey Lev, DB et al. Have you seen the latest AP poll? Not only are there no teams from Florida ranked, there are no teams from the entire state of Florida even getting votes!!! That puts Florida right where it belongs-- along with Alaska, Deleware, Maine and North Dakota in not having a single team get any AP votes. Hopefully the colleges down there offer something to their students other than easy-to-find tickets to see mediocre football teams...


11/7/2011 9:55:38 AM - Dolphin Michael - 2,188 posts (#13)

Again, MV, I believe that you are interpreting his words improperly. But you may be right.

11/13/2011 2:59:13 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Getting back to football and smack talking...Once again the Mighty Oregon Fighting Ducks are back in the National Championship mix, making them the undeniable best team this millenium. I almost feel sorry for other school that try to have "fans" and "traditions" and "programs" and then want to have their team in the same division as Oregon, kind of like stealing candy from a baby at this point!

11/13/2011 7:49:07 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 Oregon = BCS wonders!--unless, of course, they actually have to play the BCS bowl game then it's like advanced, gimmicky high school football.

11/20/2011 5:05:59 PM - CBO - 344 posts (#62)

Bye bye Oregon! Have to say that it was very enjoyable watching very smug Chip Kelly take the L. at home. When USC gets off probation expect more of the same.

11/20/2011 5:17:16 PM - ELJ - 2,019 posts (#15)

And here I so sure mighty Ohio State would beat poor, misguided Penn State in "The" Ohio State University's home stadium, but it seems the boys played an "advanced, gimmicky brand of high school football" themselves.

11/20/2011 7:03:48 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 I WISH OSU played high school football on offense, but they don't even come close to that.

11/20/2011 8:25:11 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

Two months ago I didn't suspect I'd be as happy as I am with bowl eligability and a win against Furman.  Expectations have been adjusted.

11/21/2011 8:57:52 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

And where, exactly, is Miami ranked? Enjoy Memphis or Shreveport or wherever it is they wind up taxing the local police force's limited resources.

Ugh, The ignominy of losing to U$C. I am not sure that even (another) trip to the Rose Bowl will erase the sting of blowing an open road to the National Championship Game. Ironically, I'd say now that Stanford should get to play LSU/Houston for the title; meanwhile the Ducks get to wipe the floor with whatever team comes out of the (Not So) Big 10 in Pasadena.

11/21/2011 9:34:08 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 Yep, just like the Ducks wiped the Bucks when Oregon was last in the Rose Bowl. Oregon's motto: "Give us credit for something we didn't do."

11/21/2011 10:07:57 AM - CBO - 344 posts (#62)

And talk about Miami taxing the local police force's limited resources - what about Oregon? I was told the crime rate in Eugene drops precipitously when the football players leave for the summer.

12/2/2011 11:19:22 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Time for another BCS/Rose Bowl clinching game. Oregon will become the first team since the John McKay-coached U$C teams of the 1970's (had some guy named O.J. on them) to win three straight undisputed Pac 10(12) titles without cheating. The biggest Dynasty since Joan Collins tried to act.

12/2/2011 11:28:03 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 Winning the PAC10 is like being the best figure-skater in Barbados.

12/2/2011 11:33:28 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

East Coast elitism and bias aside, the Pac 12 will finish 1-2 in the Heisman race. Does the expanded Big 10 even have a program in the Top 10 this season? I guess the Big 10 is the Big East of the midwest...

12/2/2011 11:40:44 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 What's that "without cheating part" again?


12/2/2011 8:10:21 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

GWAA meet Trent Richardson.  Trent Richardson meet GWAA.  Are you blaming East Coast bias for the fact that only a handful of people will watch the PAC12's first conference title game too? Not only can the SEC send two ranked teams to the conference championship game but two ranked teams to the national title game and a third to the Sugar Bowl.  Maybe the PAC12 commish should get out his notepad and write some of this down.  Would you alert him to these facts?

12/2/2011 9:25:33 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 And the Ducks two Heisman candidates is awesome when I think about the BUCKS 7 Heisman Trophy winners....and 7 National Championships...but those are just numbers.

12/3/2011 2:09:54 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Enjoy watching theTournaent of Roses Parade on TV. I guess I should read up on these teams called "Michigan State" and "Wisconsin", assuming there is any information out there on such obscure teams.

12/4/2011 6:22:50 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

tOSU better watch out. Them silly 6-6 Gators going to show themselves in the bowl named after them.

12/5/2011 1:18:01 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Hey Lev, what bowl is your team going to this year? Dootie, that Ohio St-Florida matchup makes me pee my pants with laughter, no need to get up early Bowl Day to watch it (other unwatchable dogs include 6-6 Illinois vs 6-7 UCLA, 6-6 Miss St vs 6-6 Wake and 6-6 Northwestern and 6-6 Texas A&M). How much could Miami (Fla) suck if it does not get to a bowl when those teams do?

Anyone know anything about Wisconsin (other than that it makes lots of cheese and has an anit-worker governor)?

12/5/2011 2:51:41 AM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)

GWAA-  Although I'm in no position to argue with you based on Miami's decent but less than subpar on the U standard in 2011- you clearly missed that the U gave up the right to play in the bowl spot earned in anticipation of the relatively harsh NCAA penalties sure to follow over the next month or two.  the U has done all it could, like a few teams before it, to minimize the sure to come penalties to scholarships and possible bowls.  a two year ban means- miami serves one year already this year.     

What saddens me GWAA, is that usually, you are totally on your game.  I, for one, thought you would have defintely researched why a team that ended with a better RPI then any of the aforementioned squads and clearly became bowl eligible after beating S. Florida.  Oy.  I guess we're all slipping a bit in our older ages.  

So- For the record- what a great turn of events at the U recently.  Instead of fearing the loss of Golden and his top 25 Rivals recruiting class for 2012, we lock him up for a ridicuolusly low cost for 5 more years.  Excellent committment!   then, we give up our Bowl eligibility - which that - plus our decision to not play any member allleged in shapiro case- means- ALL our game sand wins COUNT.  it also shows accountability as we have many seniors who would have loved to play in their final bowl.   

Now for the funniest part- the Florida- Ohio st game.   If florida wins- whatever.  But if Ohio St wins- its the icing on the cake for all us Florida football fans who dont hail from the sweaty pig gator swamps.   I love this matchup.  it just shows you mediocrity at its best.  miami easily beat one of these teams.  i guarantee you, we would have easily beaten the other if they weren't pussies like Thompson at Georgetown at put the U on schedule every year like they should.  I guess its cause they didn't like losing all those games in a row.  Hehe.  But then again- neither does Florida State- but at least they man up! 

Ahh colllege football.  GWAA- ur ducks were lame and lacked the quack.   if anything- y'all should just pray to Barkeley an dhope he goes to NFL.     

12/5/2011 4:08:30 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

I see, voluntary bowl ineligibility as a way of softening the blow of sanctions is a source of pride? Glad the bar is set high is southern Florida, next thing you know the state might elect someone to the Senate who is proud to lie about "fleeing" the Cuban Revolution years before it actually happened.

Will organizers charge admission to some of these stinker bowl games? If so, the Justice Department might want to start a consumer fraud investigation.

Also, Boise St and Stanford got robbed. But nevertheless, the Pac 12 will be the only conference to win 2 BCS bowls this year.

12/5/2011 6:04:03 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

How magnanimous of Miami to forfeit a post season bowl game in a year in which they wouldn't be given an invite anyway.  Both Florida and Miami went 6-6 this year.  The big difference is that Florida lost to two teams in the national championship game and a bevy of other teams bound for pretty good bowl games.  Miami lost to ACC teams.  What you're doing is comparing an delishous orange with a small blemish to a piece of shit you've decorated with Evan Shapiro's Santorum.  Feel free to keep eating what is on your plate because I don't want any.

12/5/2011 12:41:18 PM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)

GWAA, if you'd like some information about Wisconsin, try checking the top 6 leaders in the country in BOTH scoring offense and scoring defense.  I'm sure you're familiar with the scoring offense rankings as your Ducks are right up there as well.  But my guess is that the scoring defense rankings will be a bit foreign to you.  Search on Top 50 scoring defenses and you'll find Oregon proudly on that list.

if you need more information, the Badger quarterback is second in the country in QB rating and the top running back (there's a pretty good second stringer as well) is about to break a record for most touchdowns in a season that Barry Sanders has held for nearly 25 years and was referred to as "untouchable" about a month ago.  The top receiver is a likely first round draft pick and the center, who has missed the past few games, is expected to return and is considered the best in the country.

Hope this helps.



12/9/2011 11:54:03 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Thanks. The pundits seem to think this one and the Fiesta Bowl are the too doozies this bowl season. Personally, I wonder how a team that gave up 39 points to win the most offensively inept conference in the country plans to handle to Quack Attack. Of course, if the Ducks stick to form they will throw out their playbook and just run up the middle in an I-formation for the bowl game. After seeing Wisconsin's schedule, I am not as impressed with their stats.

12/17/2011 12:57:13 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

With three games today (none of them worth the time to bother even seeing who is "playing"), the season for lesser school without losing records begins today. But before you start to get excited, just remember there is only one bowl that matters: The Mighty Oregon Fighting Ducks vs some midwest team that can't win a bowl game unless it is playing against a crappy school like Miami (Fla). The game is so important, it even has a parade to go with it. Go Ducks!

12/21/2011 8:58:33 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Seems Ohio St, after playing in this year's Sucky Bowl, will be playing in the Stuck at Home Sucking Their Thumbs Bowl next year.


12/21/2011 9:14:32 AM - Dolphin Michael - 2,188 posts (#13)

Proper GWHoops protocol would have been to allow herve to make the announcement. The part that that I thought was a bit harsh was the requirement that the players had to return their tattoos.

12/21/2011 9:17:58 AM - Tuna Can - 1,449 posts (#19)

I'm going to visit Lev! Stick your head out the door and wave back!!!!

12/21/2011 10:03:56 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 They got roughly what they deserved. Hasn't stopped Meyer's already monster recruiting. Business as usual.

12/27/2011 8:22:37 AM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
Yes please- listen to Tuna. Let me have the honors of releasing our multiple lost Schollys and bowls. A thank u. ;)
12/28/2011 11:45:24 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

The excitment is building. Get your Berkenstocks and flannels ready, the Quack Attack is Pasadena bound!


12/28/2011 11:49:38 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

GWAA, that's what I'd wear to the funeral of a superhero.  There's a football game being played on 9 January for those of us who are more fans of football than dress up games.

12/28/2011 12:14:33 PM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)

GWAA, I hope you're not building things up for a big letdown....again.  Oregon is a tough team to prepare for say if you're in the Pac 10 and have a week to get ready.  The last four times teams have had lots of time to prepare for Oregon, the Ducks have lost all 4 (Boise and LSU to open seasons, Ohio State and Auburn in bowls).  I'm keeping the trash talk to a minimum because I do have respect for your team's speed.  But you're blatant disrespect towards the Badgers simply reeks of bad karma.


12/29/2011 5:10:08 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

I have no disrespect for the Badgers, empathy perhaps but not disrespect. This Ducks team should be playing LSU in New Orleans, and would if they hadn't screwed up against U$C. Unlike previous years, I am really hoping the coaching staff sticks to the gameplans that got them this far instead of trying to rewrite the playbook. The Ducks outside speed and offensive versititlity are a bad match-up for Whiskey. But the Ducks can play hard-nosed defense this season (ask Andrew "#1 Draft Pick" Luck about that). And the Ducks will be wearing nicer uniforms. Of course, Dootie is just jealous because the only thing more boring that 'Bama's unis is its playbook!

12/29/2011 5:32:37 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

And, unlike the paid cheatering swag-selling traffic violators at other schools, Oregon's players are real-live life-saving heros!


12/29/2011 10:40:40 AM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)

New Wisky uniforms for the game are on the way.  However, I'll have to agree that they won't be as nice as those from Nike U.


12/30/2011 4:00:19 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

I just got a glimpse of the Wiz unis. Oregon students can chant "U-G-L-Y! You ain't got no alibi. You UGLY!" without any sense of hyperbole or exaggeration. Oh well, what to expect from a team in the same conference as Penn State, home of the most boring uniforms ever invented?

12/30/2011 5:04:46 PM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)

What can I tell you GWAA except that The Badgers are just flat out boring.    Tell your Ducks to get ready for the run.  That's all they're going to do.  Run, run, run, and then run some more.  Better put 8 or even 9 in the box. 

1/1/2012 2:36:53 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Once we get these late season NFl games out of the way, it will be time for real bowl games that matter. Obviously, the MIGHTY OREGON FIGHTING DUCKS should be tops on anyone's watch list. Were I coxman, I would write an epistle on the how LaMichael James is a football demigod. Instead, I'll just let you watch him in action and figure it out for yourselves.

1/1/2012 3:54:23 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

Despite a rough season I'm looking forward to tomorrow's game.  I expect Urban Meyer and his future team to bear the brunt of some frustration.

1/2/2012 2:21:54 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Did you see THAT?!? Have you ever seen anything quite as beautiful as The Duck marching in the Tournament of Roses Parade? It is as if the two were made for each other. And I thought I was going to get bored with going to BCS games year after year after year.

1/2/2012 3:19:39 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

A thing of beauty is worth adding to this thread:


1/2/2012 4:10:39 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 Man Dootie that was two bad football teams playing bad football. OSU was just the worstestestest of the two. OSU 17 - 10 on offense. UF 14-0 on special teams. Sorry some folks in the country had to watch that on tv.

1/2/2012 4:14:22 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

Kept UF from having its first losing season since 1979.  I'll take it.

1/2/2012 6:13:36 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 It's OSU worst record since....1897....no joke.

1/2/2012 8:42:02 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 every 100 or so years? drink up gwaa!

1/3/2012 12:42:44 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

I could come on here and gloat (45 points on the most hyped defense in the country! 621 total yards against such a well-regarded defensive front line! etc...). But you all saw it. You all know it. In this, the worst season in college football since the turn-of-the-20th Century era when many schools banned the sport for being too brutal, it took the MIGHTY OREGON FIGHTING DUCKS to restore faith in the game and entertain fans. You're welcome, America.

1/3/2012 1:32:25 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

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1/3/2012 6:14:21 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 Most-hyped defense? Really! By whom? You? Wisky was beat by OSU this season for God sakes. Oregon could barely ever stopped Wisconsin and was pushed all over the field. Their gimmick offense finally won a BCS game. Now we'll all wait another 90+ years for another important Oregon football victory....or maybe the NCAA investigation results.

1/3/2012 7:40:08 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

"Top 6 in the nation in scoring defense"? The only thing you read about before the game (until the UofO player saved a choking diner's life) was how impressive the Wiz d-line was. I guess the Big 10 champs now know how to count up to 621! (And this thread would have been pure poetry if it had ended on the shot of The Duck in the parade, QUACK QUACK).

1/3/2012 8:50:16 AM - CBO - 344 posts (#62)

Let GWAA have his fun. There is a team in Los Angeles who is coming off probation that is going to beat the Ducks like a rented mule next year. Oops I forgot ... they did that this year.

1/3/2012 9:47:34 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Unbelieveable. The college football season has been over for less than 24 hours and already someone is trying to turn a missed chip-shot field goal in to a beatdown?!? It will be interesting to see what the reduced salary cap means for the University of $poiled Children (assuming they abide by it). I think the fans of those teams that were good in the 1970's are just jealous because the game has passed them by; keep an eye on Eugene if you want to know what the future looks like and an eye on other places if you want to know what was wrong with the past.

1/3/2012 10:20:20 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

I predict this item will not sell like hotcakes.


1/3/2012 10:53:55 AM - CBO - 344 posts (#62)

Eugene arrogance is about to be taught a lesson. Enjoy the demise. We will look back upon the heights of the Oregon program fondly much like we do now with 8-track tapes and the betamax. USC is back and now you are going to pay. Thanks for playing while we were away.

1/3/2012 5:15:08 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
The U will rise again! But --Sometime around 2014. Hehe. Not confirmed::: We face 3 yr bowl suspension ( 1 served) and prob 50 total lost schollys over 3-4 yrs. Yet, much like Herve- Golden has primed a top recruiting class who will be able to bowl by Junior year. That seems to be the insider info. If we can keep this top 20 rated recruiting class- were GOLDEN.
1/23/2012 6:10:57 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)



1/28/2012 5:54:25 AM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
Ok boyz- 5 days till official signing day. What a whirl wind season thus far as many of our teams are coming off scandals and mediocre seasons. Who has the best class? Question 2- based on what the team faced or faces (scandals, violations, etc) which team scored the best class. I think I have my answers but obv- I reserve final judgement on Feb 2. Haha. 1- best class- arghhh. Florida - I fucking hate to admit it. Clemson, Ohio State, Auburn, Oklahoma and Alabama/LSU runner up 2- best class under circumstances- The U. No shock unless u fail to research. A possible 34 person class with 3 possible five stars coming on board late-wow. They are currently rated top 15 in both ESPN and scout and would crack top 10 if just one of the 3 five stars jumped to the U. With the U still facing punishment- holy shit what a strong class. Then u have Ohio St, Oregon, USC, Clemson, NC and Louisville,as honorable mention. Ur opinions? It can't get any worse to admit that Thr Gators may just have the best incoming class this year but I will take my possible top 10 ranked class any year for my small private university. :)
5/4/2012 3:31:48 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

 Another feather in the cap of Ohio St football...

6/4/2012 2:40:45 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

 The offseason just gets better and better for Ohio St.

6/4/2012 2:54:39 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)


"The two players currently face an arraignment on June 11 after running from police officers who spotted them urinating outside the tavern."

6/4/2012 6:34:25 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

If I got arrested every time I urinated outside a bar during my time at GW I'd have been given the dealth penalty for recidivism. 

6/12/2012 9:56:33 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

 Why didn't Ohio St think of this?  Hard to believe UNC beat Ohio St at anything related to football....

7/20/2012 7:29:31 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)


Golden Rules look very familiar!

7/22/2012 12:36:08 AM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)
Again- nothing like yahoo sports. w00t
8/15/2012 9:55:34 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

Woah GWAA! HEAVY rumors clock is ticking on Oregon (move over North Carolina):

Per Kim Grinolds mystery duck booster.

The rumor from a scout.com moderator:

  • 4 Years probation
  • Multi-year Bowl Ban
  • 20+ scholarships lost over 3 years
  • No out of state recruiting for a year
  • No in-home visits for Gary Campbell
  • Wins from 2009-2011 stricken
  • RB Trophy forfeited
  • Multiple players ruled ineligible(including Barner, DAT, Clay, Heimuli)
  • Basketball will be hit even harder from a source within the TyE, who is best friends with prominent Oregon boosters.
  • Chip demanded guaranteed money if there is a NCAA probation by given and TB said NO
  • Track and Field will be hit as well
  • Coordinated offering of sex & drugs/alcohol to recruits is currently being investigated by the EPD.
  • Register Guard has a story ready to print, as soon as they are close to levying charges
8/15/2012 10:02:59 PM - ziik the shirtmaker - 68 posts (#4)

What about thos stinkin uniforms? They've got to be illegal.

8/16/2012 10:51:12 AM - Dolphin Michael - 2,188 posts (#13)

Hey, can we start a new football thread?

10/23/2012 6:48:08 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

 OK Herve, it is on (in a few years time). By then won't a) Hervette be attending college? and b) Ohio State be off probation?

10/23/2012 6:58:22 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

Better hope we don't have a defense by then cause we sure don't this year! Not too shabby considering we just inked a similar deal with Texas.

10/24/2012 12:22:35 AM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)

 It's amazing the U hasn't been penalized yet!   They played their hearts out against Florida state but I'm seriously surprised they have lasted this long without the supposed Yahoo sports guaranteed harsh penalties.  

10/24/2012 10:13:54 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

This is shaping up to be a pretty good college football season if I do say so myself. 

10/25/2012 8:35:13 AM - Tuna Can - 1,449 posts (#19)

I heard that Oregon specifically and emphatically denied giving alcohol to recruits.AND, absolutely no broom sticks. 

10/26/2012 8:03:36 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

The NCAA's four-year Graduation Success Rate statistics for the Top 25 teams currently in The Associated Press college football poll. The report was released Thursday:

1. Alabama, 75 percent

2. Oregon, 64 percent

3. Florida, 75 percent

4. Kansas St., 58 percent

5. Notre Dame, 97 percent

6. LSU, 77 percent

7. Oregon St., 60 percent

8. Oklahoma, 47 percent

9. Ohio State, 74 percent

10. USC, 57 percent

11. Florida St., 55 percent

12. Georgia, 69 percent

13. Mississippi St., 60 percent

14. Clemson, 75 percent

15. Texas Tech, 66 percent

16. Louisville, 63 percent

17. South Carolina, 55 percent

18. Rutgers, 91 percent

19. Stanford, 90 percent

20. Michigan, 69 percent

21. Boise St., 81 percent

22. Texas A&M, 69 percent

23. Ohio, 74 percent

24. Louisiana Tech, 73 percent

25. West Virginia, 79 percent

10/26/2012 10:55:59 AM - Dolphin Michael - 2,188 posts (#13)

 Reading about Maryland Football makes one think that one is reading the Onion Sports.... yesterday, in other news, the quarterback who was forced into action in the second quarter--a converted wide receiver--was injured during the beginning of the fourth quarter of the last game is out for the rest of the year. Oh, yes, their second best receiver is also out for the year due to a 2nd half injury.

THat's an accomplishment--losing two of your three remaining qbs in one game, after already going 2 down with the transfer of Danny O'Brien and the pre-season injury to DJ Brown. There may be a reason to start developing crutches with a special pouch for playbooks built-in.


10/27/2012 8:31:42 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 You ARE right Dootie! It is shaping up to be a good season! :)

11/4/2012 8:03:23 PM - Dolphin Michael - 2,188 posts (#13)

 OSU gets T. Jacobs out of Suitland. Doesn't join brother at Maryland--avoids being part of best receiving group in USA.

11/4/2012 8:53:57 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 ...and the rich get richer....


Truth is this kid may or may not crack the starting line-up as he's a dime-a-dozen at a factory like the one in Columbus. He'd have a better time of it at UMD for sure...and a lot more chance to be noticed.

11/6/2012 7:01:19 AM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)

 Holy shit. I lost power for 8 days and The U actually beats VaTech?    Wtf? I can't believe it!

we might actually play for our first ever ACC title.  I know Dootie.  I know- whoop de do.  Truth is- it actually does.  One of the youngest started Div 1- school rosters , the U has had their share of big wins. 

Too bad were eventually facing a gazillion scholiel losses and some bowls.  Big deal.  The U is back and ready to,roll.   Bring it Duke.  Lmao

11/6/2012 7:08:45 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

Don't worry! VA Tech will be rated in the top 10 in every pre-season poll next year just like they are each year....and the Post will cover them like Blacksburg is just another Orange line stop.....just like they do every year.

11/6/2012 8:02:08 AM - Dolphin Michael - 2,188 posts (#13)

 herve, on Jacobs. I hope that you are right and he stinks, but MD actually kept their track program to lure him to College Park. The thought of having him playing opposite of Stefon Diggs would be crazy. Diggs is no. 2 Freshman receiver in nation today, even after playing the season with an array of true freshmen qbs and converted receivers and linebackers. It doesn't hurt to have the 2nd best running back recruiting class playing, as well. Having a very good Off coach and a stacked set of players for next year is good. One more is always welcome. 

11/14/2012 1:14:39 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 Wow Dootie Bubble! Just WOW!


11/17/2012 1:30:16 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

 So psyched!!!! Off to Autzen, for the first time in 25 years, to see the DEFENDING ROSE BOWL CHAMPION MIGHTY OREGON FIGHTING DUCKS take on $nobford. The season begins today. 

11/18/2012 7:17:42 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 How'd that work-out for you?

11/19/2012 1:33:40 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

 What a waste of a night! Thanks to the Pac 12 for scheduling home games for the Ducks and Oregon St on the same night, traffic down I-5 was bad but coming back to Portland it was even worse and took 4 f!%@ing hours! At least $nobford is a good team, but now I need both UCLA and U$C to win next weekend (and having to hope for that makes chewing glass seem like a pleasant alternative). 

11/19/2012 7:33:17 AM - Tuna Can - 1,449 posts (#19)

Great move in FLA!!!! The burgeoning activity of adopting football players. Pretty soon, at Maryland, 15 to 20 kids will change their last name to PLANK and MD will take the Big 10. Who put the cum in circumvent? 

1/3/2013 12:33:48 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

 Wow DB! That was an awsome display by the all-mighty SEC against Loserville tonight. I especially loved how, just a couple of plays after the player threw the haymaker, the discipled football team from that bastion of good football got caught with the entire bench in the white area of the sidelines. Good fundamentals, for sure! Combined with all the empty seats at the Orange Bowl and the BCS would be well advised to just ban the entire state of Florida from the competition.

1/4/2013 12:04:31 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

 Another year, another Ducks domination in a BCS game! Just in case you were not paying attention because your school got caught paying players, faking grades or facilitating child abuse, once again America is grateful to the MIGHTY OREGON FIGHTING DUCKS for proving that football can be fun to watch. See you all in September...

1/4/2013 12:32:33 AM - Ummm - 1 posts (#242)

Oregon won yet another national title tonight! They keep getting to the championship game and keep winning that game...it's truly amazing!


Roll Tide!

1/8/2013 7:30:35 AM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 Weird?! Only seeing ONE undefeated team on this list.

1/8/2013 7:58:35 AM - Tuna Can - 1,449 posts (#19)

 herve.... I think that the team that beat the team that beat the champs should be champs. Doesn't that make sense?


For this, the bust up basketball?

1/8/2013 4:15:32 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

UF reported Floyd's benefits as soon as it game to light (Tressel and Myer aren't on our staff!) and he served his suspension.  Then he was suspended.  What's the problem boys?  Tough for a Florida team to get jazzed up about any post-season game that isn't the national championship.  Their disinterest sure showed in the NOLA.  With another title under the SEC belt and half of the top ten in the final AP poll I'm left wondering, however, what the hell is wrong with the BCS and pollsters?  They consistently rank teams from other conferences highly, in ND's case they were number 1, despite a boatload of evidence to the contrary.  The national championship should take place every December in Atlanta and talk to the contrary is no more convincing than that guy on Piers Morgan arguing that Bush took down the twin towers.


1/8/2013 4:46:38 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

Certainly does make sense to rank FL over Louisville. This is the classic excuse of "not getting up for opponents" the SEC always uses as they NEVER play anyone OOC, NEVER play anyone north of the Mason-Dixon line, live off their pre-season rankings and cannibalizing each other during conference play. It's a clever ploy, not unlike manipulating the RPI in basketball and ESPN has swallowed gleefully.

I cheered for 'bama because, unlike ND, they do not lie about their cheating. If I had to guess, Alabama would have beaten OSU this season in the National Championship game about 32-17.

Just wait until next year boys as what's coming out of Columbus is really something! It'll be a long-time until the next loss is registered by the Buckeye football team.


1/8/2013 4:55:18 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

 I Chip Kelly had recruited a place kicker, none of this discussion would be happening. Next year, the MIGHTY OREGON FIGHTING DUCKS just might have a kicker, meaning there will be more drama in the I-AA tournament than the BCS.

1/8/2013 5:57:45 PM - The MV - 4,338 posts (#4)

Herve, if next year's Buckeye schedule is anything like this year's schedule, then you're probably right.  GW's 27-3 season schedule was more difficult.


1/29/2013 3:24:29 PM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

 Given "the U's" outstanding record of institutional control, I am shocked (shocked I tell you!) to see the name of a coach from "the U" in this article on a PED clinic in Miami.

1/29/2013 4:07:20 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

 Times have really changed, "P.E.D." used to stand for "Post-Ejaculation Depression". 

1/30/2013 8:56:16 PM - Levinator - 1,532 posts (#18)

 Ha Dootie- I'm shocked myself ;)

2/1/2013 3:20:13 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

 And in keeping with the rich tradition of Ohio St football...

2/1/2013 3:36:45 PM - yawle - 201 posts (#97)

 Oregon at Virginia (9/7)

2/1/2013 5:15:41 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 Yes, a 65 year-old former player, not digging for dirt are we? I hear a guy off the '37 team was caught loitering recently and, since he's not from the SEC, ESPN will report him as a known Geneva Convention violator from Ohio State.

2/3/2013 4:56:10 PM - herve - 8,441 posts (#1)

 Oregon recruit Davin Bellamy's tweet from his Eugene visit:


2/3/2013 5:14:24 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

 Yes, a stryofoam cup is a cardinal sin in Oregon, but if the beverage inside it was organic and fair trade then he will get a pass this one time...

2/3/2013 6:22:10 PM - Bad Tuna High - 1 posts (#242)

 GWAA: Like the lava lamp on the "coffee table"

2/7/2013 8:42:05 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

In his defense, isn't "getting high dude" the official state sport in Oregon? 

2/7/2013 9:23:34 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

I see the young lad ended up signing with Mark Richt and UGA.  Must have been some crack in that bong.

5/20/2013 4:34:37 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

 I am not really sure how this reflects on Ohio St football, other than to make the fans who hired this guy look like morons. 

6/4/2013 7:37:56 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

 Brought down not by his school's corrupt football program but by his hoof-in-mouth syndrome caused by football. Oh the irony!!!!!

6/5/2013 8:21:06 AM - notta hater - 2,346 posts (#11)

Ohio has a ton of Catholics - Notre Dame aside, how could he stay as president when his remarks cut at thousands of folks who pay their taxes to fund his butt.

8/12/2013 11:38:05 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

 Not-so-funny happenings at Vandy, though I guess when your team sucks it is easier to take appropriate action...

9/7/2013 10:22:43 AM - Dootie Bubble - 1,827 posts (#16)

Da, Da, Da, Gator Bait! 

9/8/2013 7:06:30 PM - Tuna Can - 1,449 posts (#19)

 I love Gator-Canes games. You always get to see one of those teams lose.

3/28/2014 10:59:40 AM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Looks like we all might need to become Northwestern fans.


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7/24/2014 9:04:00 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,225 posts (#12)

Hey herve, even the band (you so highly touted) at that mid-level football program masquerading as a mediocre university is scandal-plagued. 


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