rkelley1/11/2017 10:54:11 PM
Clarence Armstrong was the ref tonight at VCU. He was the ref when GW lost to Depaul on Dec 22nd, 2015, and he was the ref when GW lost to Miami on December 22nd, 2016.
In the Depaul game, Cavanaugh was called for 3 fouls in just 19 total minutes played, and GW committed 18 personal fouls which was tied with DePaul. Uncharacteristic for a team that committed 20% fewer fouls than their opponents and averaged 16 fouls per game on the season. At the time, most considered that loss to be a suprise/upset and DePaul did end the season 9-27.
Tonight, Armstrong was the ref when Cavanaugh committed 4 fouls in the span of 14 minutes and for the second time in his GW career scored less than 10 points. The 21 minutes Cavanaugh played tonight due to foul trouble was the fewest minutes he played since the Depaul game that Armstrong officiated. The 2 offensive foul calls on Cavanaugh were almost inexplicable, and in frustration, Cavanaugh was clearly yelling "what am I doing wrong!?" following the second of the two. The announcers made a point to discuss how suprising the call was.
Toro fouled out tonight. He had 5 fouls in 15 minutes. He averages 1.6 fouls and 21 minutes per game.
Armstrong was the ref of the Miami game GW lost. GW tied Miami with 14 fouls, again uncharacteristic for a team that typically fouls significantly fewer times than the opponent, but nothing too alarming. Cavanaugh again however was limited to 22 minutes--10 fewer minutes than his season average--after accumulating 3 fouls early in the game.
The three games Cavanaugh has played the fewest minutes also happen to be three games that Armstrong has ref'd. In each of these games, there has been a lot of talk about how poor calls hurt GW. The Miami and VCU games were the only games Armstrong ref'd with GW playing this year.
rkelley1/11/2017 10:58:49 PM
It's not just about the box score, the eye test shows us that the officiating--when Armstrong is apart of the crew--has hurt GW. It's a small sample of 3 games, so there's plenty of room for coincidence, but it's worth a note. The amount of fouls, the fouls being on our team's best player, and the timing of the fouls limiting the best player to the fewest minutes he played while at the school in any 3-game span really hurts GW's chances of winning. If the fouls were obvious, or even borderline it would be one thing. But many of these calls have the commentators asserting that they were errant, and tonight, they even commented the fouls were non-existant or were on the opponent if anything.
rkelley1/11/2017 11:02:12 PM
It's not just about the box score, the eye test shows us that the officiating--when Armstrong is apart of the crew--has hurt GW. It's a small sample of 3 games, so there's plenty of room for coincidence, but it's worth a note.
The amount of fouls, the fouls being on our team's best player, and the timing of the fouls have been especially harmful. The combination has limited Tyler Cavanaugh, GW's best and most-experienced player--not to mention one of NCAA's top players--to the fewest minutes he has played in any 3-game span during his career. Coincidence or not, that really hurts GW's chances of winning.
If the fouls were obvious, or even borderline it would be one thing. But many of these calls were outrageously bad. Many had the commentators asserting that they were errant, and tonight, they even commented the fouls were non-existant or were on the opponent if anything.
sgw1/11/2017 11:02:56 PM
That is some fascinating research. Compelling stuff.
rkelley1/11/2017 11:42:47 PM
18:26 in the first half, Toro is called for a foul on the shot, but his hand did not contact the opponent.
rkelley1/11/2017 11:53:55 PM
At 13:54, the blocking foul on Cavanaugh was also a phanton foul. Not sure how you could ever call this a foul...
bigfan1/11/2017 11:58:17 PM
Hugely pro=VCU announcers were talking about lame calls, including against Tyler.
Wonder why this guy has it out for us, or Tyler.
Interesting in that we traditionally and statistically get to the line a lot more than our opponents.
sgw1/12/2017 12:09:26 AM
3 of the calls on Tyler were downright awful. I do recall some very poor calls in the miami game too, interesting that the 3rd game he reffed was that abomination DePaul result.
rkelley1/12/2017 12:30:31 AM
Yeah I mean wow. Not even close on 3/4 against Cavanaugh tonight. The offensive foul called by Armonstrong at 4:38 was absolutely "crazy" in the words of the announcers even. And it was, I've never seen anything like that call. And somehow, they repeated the same travesty in the opening of the second half! He was back in the game for a 1:10 seconds at that point and he has to go right back out.
The Miami game was filled with bad calls, and DePaul too. The three games Cavanaugh has played the least in his 2 year career, happen to be these 3 games, and these 3 by the same ref. All because of fouls.
You gotta wonder why there's no real effort by the NCAA, in this billion-dollar business, to check the refs when they have total control over the spread (and even billions of additional gambling dollars)...This was nationally televised even.
ron1/12/2017 12:31:22 AM
By the way, all 4 fouls on Cavanaugh were total bullshit.
tennessee coloniaal1/12/2017 1:25:00 AM
James Breeding, Clarence Armstrong, Evon Burroughs. If they ever show up at GW they should get a proper welcome.
188.8.131.521/12/2017 1:44:34 AM
Friend of Bruiser Flint
hugh1/12/2017 6:45:59 AM
I'm never a ref conspiracy kind of fan, but I'm speechless about this. Great research RKelley.
this is irrelevant1/12/2017 6:57:01 AM
Let's make one thing clear. We lost last night not because of a talent deficiency or refereeing. We lost last night because we were severely outcoached, period
hugh1/12/2017 7:09:34 AM
^So make another thread about the coaching. This isn't about that.
And not one person is claiming that the ref(s) caused the loss.
ziik1/12/2017 11:44:42 AM
Early in the chat, I posited quick fouls on Ty Cav, but a reasonable disparity in overall calls by game's end. Your stats really illustrate what my gut was telling me, RKelley. Good work. Distasteful stuff, but if there is a mechanism to ditch this guy on future GW games, Mojo and PN ought to work on it.
box score1/12/2017 11:58:17 AM
GW shot 26 free throws... VCU shot 16 free throws. Stop whining. We got outplayed, outcoached... don't blame the refs. Look at the confused play on the court. The bump on a log on the bench
the dude1/12/2017 12:44:27 PM
Could not agree more with Hugh as to each of his points. RK, great research.
gw alum abroad1/12/2017 6:02:57 PM
How do we know this guy isn't just Larry Lembo in a thin guy costume? Have they ever been seen together?
rkelley1/12/2017 8:09:43 PM
Thanks for the props @sgw, @hugh, @ziik, @dude. Good to see others can take a step back and open their minds to a notion that is easy to dismiss. Occasions like this, it's worth a closer look.
in defense of the refs1/13/2017 2:18:17 AM
Two of the four calls against Cavanaugh were highly questionable to say the least. However, over all the calls were in GWs favor. Just some FACTS from the VCU game.
VCU 24 fouls
GW 18 foul
VCU 16 FT's
GW 26 FT's
Check the Box Score
mnt1/13/2017 2:46:55 AM
Teams that fullcourt press foul a lot. Your stats dont show anything more than that. One team plays a very physical fullcourt press, the other team plays mostly 1-3-1 zone. That said, the point was that the calls on Tyler were very bad and harmful.