Best Friends Act Alike -- Lonergan and Patsos
gwsb14
 4/21/2018 4:06:25 AM      Replies: 125

gwsb144/4/2018 9:51:07 PM

Looks like the two friends share something other than having been teammates together --https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Siena-s-Patsos-under-investigation-12806097.php 

"Siena College men's basketball coach Jimmy Patsos is under investigation by the college following reports that he taunted and verbally abused a team student-manager who has a mental disorder — including referring to the student as “the next Unabomber," according to people familiar with the matter."

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dea4/4/2018 11:21:12 PM

Birds of a feather ...

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ruserious4/5/2018 7:16:23 AM

certainly not surprised

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thinker4/5/2018 10:11:29 AM

I ultimately find it bizarrely baffling that people under the microscope - 

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thinker4/5/2018 10:17:47 AM

Like basketball coaches can't moderate their behavior to avoid this kind of thing. 

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porter714/5/2018 10:46:55 AM

If this is true, I think this is much worse than the ML stuff.  With ML, I could see the argument that any derrogatory terms or comments he used toward the players were meant as motivation (in the old school I say mean things to you and you work harder to shut me up sort of way).  In this case, he's just picking on a kid because of his disability.  Maybe he thought they had a good relationship and this was good natured teasing that the kid was ok with, but doesn't look good in any case.

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thomas4/5/2018 10:59:08 AM

Thinker, clearly Patsos and Lonergan(and the other cold-hearted bullying coaches) THOUGHT they were above the law and the people they tormented/bullied wouldn't have the guts or the means to fight back. It's always fun to see bullies/abusers get their comeuppance!!!

Between Lonergan and Patsos, they've insulted gays, people on food stamps, people with mental illness and Asians!! Maybe they can start some sort of show/podcast together that caters to the lowest common denominator/ troll types who enjoy mean-spirtitedness!!

 

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gw future4/5/2018 11:05:46 AM

Snowflakes with no proof of anything yet because of course dummy minions believe absolutely everything they read in the media no matter how anonymously sourced.

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fake future4/5/2018 11:56:05 AM

I don't care what you think psycho.

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gw future4/5/2018 12:27:50 PM

“Psycho” hahahahaha. That’s the best you got? I know the minion handbook has only a few approved insults but you need to be better than that. Weak and pathetic. But make sure you keep following.

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the other mg4/5/2018 1:34:15 PM

Just curious, GW Future, but if it turns out that a thorough and corroberated investigation showed that he did say these things, would your reaction be: a) I don't believe the investigation, b) so what if he said these things, we have become too sensitive and politically correct, c) Patsos should receive a warning, but no more, d) he should be punished in some more tangible way, or e) something different from a-d?

I will understand and accept any good faith response you give.

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fake future4/5/2018 2:09:12 PM

I love following you hard.You are my favorite poster.My North Star.

You are deliciously creepy  with your macabre posts.Cryptic and 

dark.I love them!!I Wil Follow You.

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gw future4/5/2018 2:58:17 PM

I could care less about Patsos so let’s start there. But I hope you would agree the man is entitled to an investigation. But to your question, the punishment severity should depend on what actually happened. If this was an isolated incident perhaps a reprimand and counseling are in order. If it was more frequent then maybe termination is in order. But that is the point we don’t know anything right now. Yet everyone wants to assume something.

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gw future4/5/2018 3:00:59 PM

To further expand, to punish you need to know facts. We don’t have facts yet we have an investigation.

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gw future4/5/2018 3:02:03 PM

Fake Future - thank you for your support!

fake future4/5/2018 3:02:36 PM

Much better!!

fake future4/5/2018 4:06:11 PM

Actually your post at 2:58 is well reasoned.You may lose me as a follower

if you keep this up!!

bigfan4/5/2018 4:46:42 PM

Good to see the reflexive chorus is starting up again on an unrelated issue. And then will wonder why no one forgets about the coach who led us to a national championship just two years ago.

It's clear these posters point out that both Lonergan and Patsos need to learn how to handle these tricky social relationships and current issues in the modern era, unlike Neandrethals.

If only they had the grace, moral decency, principles, and social awareness of Mojo's only mentor ever--and great example repeatedly cited by GW publicity machine of coaching behavior: Tom Izzo. Now, there's a man to emulate.

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tennessee colonial4/5/2018 5:44:18 PM

And the purpose of this thread and how it relates to GW basketball today is what?

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bo knows4/5/2018 5:53:16 PM

The story I am told is this. Siena wants to get rid of Patsos but does not want to pay the remainder of this contract. The only way not to pay his contract is to fire him for cause. It is well known that Siena wants to get rid of Patsos and hire Patrick Belein. You all can put 2 + 2 together and get 4 here. 

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ruserious4/5/2018 5:59:49 PM

Sigh. Bo Knows is always so gullible. 

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dmvpiranha4/5/2018 6:03:05 PM

What a bunch of b.s. to save $. Jimmy Patsos is a great guy and I hope he and get every cent they are owed. I expect Fake News & Coverups from some universities but not a Catholic institution. Stay strong Jimmy and get a good lawyer.

ruserious4/5/2018 6:18:04 PM

So is Lonergan saying Patsos has been fired before an official announcement? why would he say he hopes he gets "every cent they are owed"?????

thinker4/5/2018 6:38:17 PM

Bo, maybe that's so that Sienna wants to get rid of Patsos and not pay him. GW wanted to get rid of Lonergan and didn't want to pay him. Why would any school that wants to get rid of a coach WANT to pay him?

In a business where getting fired for cause means you won't get paid -- MAYBE the coach should act in a way that WOULDN'T give his school lots of ways to find CAUSE.

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florida colonial4/5/2018 8:51:58 PM

Facebook post by Lonergan

 
https://www.timesunion.com/…/Patsos-has-nothing-but-love-fo…
We can all read between the lines. Jimmy had a bad year and they want to fire him but don't want to pay him the money they owe him. Fake News to try to make him resign! The managers I know that worked with Jimmy at Maryland, Loyola and Siena loved the man. I don't buy any of this. Universities will do anything to serve their interests, including paying for sham investigations to ruin a man's reputation with false allegations and no evidence. Everyone that knows Jimmy knows what kind of person he is and that he might joke around with players and managers(and his friends!) but he would NEVER abuse a student in any way. I hope Jimmy and Michele Patsos fight for every red cent they are owed. 
My friends in Syracuse tell me that Siena has been having secret talks with LeMoyne coach Patrick Beilein. Maybe that is why he said no to Marist. It is obvious that Siena wants Jimmy gone but this isn't the way to do things. Just pay Jimmy the remainder of his contract if you want a new coach but don't try to defame him to save money. I expect Fake News and coverups from some universities but not a Catholic institution. I wish I could say more.
😉
Stay strong Jimmy. We all love you!

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thinker4/5/2018 9:31:14 PM

It sounds like there is going to need to be a reorg at the Bowie gym. Gotta create another assistant manager position.

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gw05094/5/2018 9:37:33 PM

Have no idea about the Patsos situation but the assertion that a “Catholic Institution” would never coverup anything is laughable. Ask an alter boy.

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gw694/5/2018 9:39:16 PM

An amazing self-serving screed from our former coach.Well done piece 

of propaganda.Fake news indeed!!You did nothing?Everyone is out to get

you and your buddy.Not buying it.

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danjsport4/5/2018 9:41:18 PM

i don’t have facebook-but if that is an actual post of lonergan’s, one has to think it at least borders on crossing a non-disparagement line that was likely included in the GW-Lonergan settlement.

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the dude4/5/2018 10:38:53 PM

Thomas, others, good posts, well put.

the real dude4/5/2018 10:48:32 PM

The minions are in a feeding frenzy. GW has nothing to look forward to next season with no Yuta, a couple 2 star recruits and a DBO-HC. Combine that with several unemployed people, hourly wage earners and low level pensioners, you get that this site has been overtaken by these few.

We also have the ML stalkers who continue to track him on social media when he cashed out long ago and hasn't been here in over 2 seasons (Florida Colonial). Reach out to him and ask him for a few bucks to make your life in FL a little less miserable.

Bo Knows, not sure where you get your info but you make the most sense (nothing new there). Story sounds very familiar to ours - school trying to get rid of coach without honoring the contract. Difference is Patsos just had one of their worst seasons in a long time.

Leave it up to the Tribe member GW0509 with a jewish inferiority complex to bring up religion - classy move. You look like a complete idiot and it just supports the stereotype that GW is the jewish safety school. Learn from Rich Maier - leave religion out of this site.

Now back to GW hoops. Anybody have any good news?

bigfan4/5/2018 11:13:19 PM

The Real Dude, your asshole comments bringing in another religion really do irreperable damage to your points, embarass those who might agree with some things and brand you as the village idiot.

If you can't just go away, keep it germane (how do you know GW0509's religion?) in commenting at some cheap swipes here, not bring in much cheaper, dirtier low-level swipes of your own.

Even for a troll, you have no shame.

 Keep your Anti-Semitic pussy bullshit to yourself.

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hugh4/5/2018 11:17:48 PM

Good news is that ML isn't the GW coach. These deranged posts from him, cries of "fake news" echoing our deranged president, are all I need to show that he's not someone I want associated with GW basketball. Doesn't matter how many wins, losses, NITs wins, or NCAA tournament appearances he has. For the sake of his family, I hope he can find peace.  

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bigfan4/5/2018 11:23:01 PM

The above being said doesn't take away from the story that the first narrative isn't always complete, as we have painfully learned.

No idea what happened and whether Patsos did bad things or not. Would be disturbing if it is as related. If it is supported by context, would have to consider some effect on his employment.

But it is also could be at least in part a pawn in a larger struggle as Bo pointed out (shocking that could happen. Sound familiar?)

For example, let's see how 'terrible' "Uncle Jimmy" is with his nephew with autism, who attends Siena practices.

https://www.timesunion.com/tuplus-sports/article/Pete-Iorizzo-Siena-basketball-coach-shares-6748208.php?utm_campaign=twitter-mobile&utm_source=CMS%20Sharing%20Button&utm_medium=social

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newgwfan4/5/2018 11:39:10 PM

Good news is that Lonergan is no longer associated with GW in any way.  

Let’s be clear about what’s going on at Siena.  Siena fan base is VERY upset (and rightfully so) with the performance of the team partcially last season but even the prior season which was a relative disappointment particularly in the OOC portion of the schedule.  The AD gave out an extension and it ties the schools hands. If they wanted to go after a new coach Patrick Beilien or anyone else they needed to pay Jimmy to leave, bottom line.  The school doesn’t have the ability to do so, and there ONLY recourse is to fire him with cause PERIOD.

So with that said, did Jimmy call the Student manager the next Uni-Bomber (probably based on reports) did he mis-use funds on a bar tab (sounds like it).  An investigation needs to take place to determine what actually happened.  Now let’s think critically, did it behoove the School to uncover allegations against the coach?  Would they have turned a blind eye if the team went 25-8 (most likely).  Taking everything at face value may be premature.  There will be lawyers.

the other mg4/5/2018 11:45:17 PM

GW Future, just wanted to get back to you to thank you for your well-considered, good faith answer to the question in my post.  I hope there is a thorough, objective investigation that is universally accepted, and we will see what happens.  I certainly will make no assumptions or jump to any conclusions.

Even with our own PN/ML situation, I guess I am one of the few in the "neutral corner".  Yes, I'm extremely upset and angry at where that entire situation left our program, but I just don't know who to blame.  Hearing the same arguments over and over again, punctuated by insults and accusations, hasn't convinced me either way.

Of course the bigger issue is where we are now, and where we are going.  Most of our time on this site should be focused on that, and, if possible, without opinions tinged by where people stood on ML/PN.

bobo4/6/2018 12:46:19 AM

Sad to see ML resorting to such silly conspiracy theory garbage.  

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mike k4/6/2018 3:16:10 AM

not to doubt DMVPIRAHNA, but it looks like ML deleted the tweet. 

bigfan4/6/2018 4:28:55 AM

Hugh, I sure do agree. Mike Lonergan I am now convinced was a true disgrace to GW, I do declare it so.  

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ruserious4/6/2018 5:58:30 AM

I didn't even know about the per diem non-payments and forging of players signatures.....and of course the DOBO telling players they weren't getting their per diem payments because the "coaches spent it on a large bar tab" the night before will be chalked up to "a joke" and everyone will be told they have no sense of humor.........he's so gone

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gw05094/6/2018 7:02:12 AM

I know I shouldn’t be responding but to answer the first part LOL I’m Catholic.  I agree, debating the finer points of one’s faith has no place on a basketball blog.

 

What I was saying is that the assertion by our former coach that some institutions are immune from a coverup is naiive at best. All institutions are prone to acting in their selfish interest. Siena could very well be trying to find the easy way out and Patsos is being taken advantage of, hell UCONN is trying to fire Ollie for cause.

bobo4/6/2018 7:51:32 AM

Sad to see name stealers and fake posters still ruling this board.  Don't believe anything anyone ever says on this board since the majority of post here are comng from phony posters using other people's names.

danjsport4/6/2018 9:58:59 AM

Mike K- I imagine his lawyers called him and said "dude, you have a settlement that prevents you from talking like this."

If I'm GW, I'd seriously consider going after him for  breaching his contractual agreement, which I'd bet included a non-disparagement clause.  

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newgwfan4/6/2018 10:40:30 AM

How did he disparage GW with his comments?  He didn't reference them?  Am I missing something.

bo knows4/6/2018 10:58:18 AM

Thinker, unfortunately there is a thing called a signed agreement. That agreement spells out the rights of the parties. Were Siena to dismiss Patsos without cause they undoubtedly would owe him the remaining buyout of his contract which could be significant. I have no idea (and neither does anyone else here) whether the allegations are true. But there seems to be a disturbing trend of schools trying to find ways to get out from contracts (see Kevin Ollie). Jimmy Patsos is the same guy he was 5 years ago. He is wild no doubt but I would be surprised if there isn't a lot of embellishment going on with the idea that it would save the University significant money. The University hires and pays the investigators. Do you think they are really independent? More like prosecutors. We all know you can find credible evidence (a subjective term) of almost anything these days based on he said she said.

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bo knows4/6/2018 10:59:12 AM

Danjsport - I am missing where he specifically referenced GW in his comments.

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danjsport4/6/2018 11:42:54 AM

Bo and NewGW, he didn't explicitly identify GW by name....but he sure seemed to be discussing GW:

"Universities will do anything to serve their interests, including paying for sham investigations to ruin a man's reputation with false allegations and no evidence....I expect Fake News and coverups from some universities but not a Catholic institution. I wish I could say more. "

To me, that makes abundantly clear he is talking about GW paying for sham investigations to ruin his reputation....particularly by saying "I wish I could say more."  I'm not sure it quite crosses a line--but it is awfully close.  If GW said "we expect this kind of behavior from some coaches...but not Patsos...wish we could say more," I'd feel the same way.

fd😉"

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bo knows4/6/2018 12:28:06 PM

Danjsport - no chance GW has a case for disparagement when ML didn't mention them by name and could be referring to any number of universities anywhere. Implied disparagement is not the same as actual disparagement.

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the real dude4/6/2018 1:00:00 PM

Danjsport, quit obsessing about ML and all the money we had to pay him for not filing a lawsuit and focus on GW basketball and who else we will be losing in the next month.

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danjsport4/6/2018 2:22:34 PM

Bo- I doubt GW would pursue it.  But the reality is, it's close to a line.  And, it's not a particularly pleasant remark.  

 

Real Dude- I'm hardly obsessing.  I made two posts in this thread, and responded to questions.  I'd much prefer to focus on  GW basketball.  I think this is the year Mojo needs to prove himself, and I'm looking forward to seeing if he can.

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the dude4/6/2018 3:39:41 PM

All other issues aside, these are not smart posts to have in your Social Media inprint, if one was looking to return to the Coaching ranks.

 

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bobo4/6/2018 7:01:03 PM

Someone should check ML into rehab, before it's too late. 

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thinker4/6/2018 8:47:07 PM

Bo, I would guess that very little in life is run in a 100% pure manner.

So yes if a school is intent on getting out of paying a coach then I would guess that the desire for a certain outcome might influence an investigation. But that doesn't mean that Patsos didn't say or do the things he was accused of. Or Lonergan for that matter as well. 

The way I see it, operating in good faith and in an above board manner takes two sides.

If Patsos was truly admired, liked, and respected within the University it would be a lot harder to railroad him for a losing record. If he was a bully that rubbed many people raw, then it's easier to do it. If he also has been shown to say reprehensible things to staff - then it's a no brainer for the school.

I look at these things from the vantage point of each side As if I was advising them.

The bully behavior stuff is simply out of fashion. If Patsos behaved admirably towards everyone he wouldn't be in this position in the first place. Whether he will get screwed legally on his contract or not, acting the way he is accused of is STUPID and ultimately would get him fired. Just like Lonergan.

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ziik4/6/2018 9:19:56 PM

Much to do about nothing on a slow day in the college basketball off season.

Patsos called a student manager the "unabomber". So what. I myself have said that Nero likes to dilly dally with young co-ed boys. So what.

The per diem issue is another story. I doubt very seriously the HC even gets involved in this. As Patsos said, that's the job of the DBO. Should be easily investigated - through paperwork. Either this is a disgruntled student manager taking liberties with the truth or a DBO who is stealing from the cookie jar or doesn't keep good documentation. If the latter, the DBO will be joining Coach Carm in looking for a new job.

Even on a slow news day, we couldn't even earn a blip on the radar screen with Jair leaving. Tough times for GW hoops indeed.

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gwstag4/7/2018 12:17:48 AM

ML's family is currently planning on an intervention to be staged next month. They are concerned with his drinking and his irrational posting on social media. 

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bobo4/7/2018 1:33:45 AM

Ml I could see picking on a special needs kid. Surprised to see such a kind mild-mannered man like Jimmy patsos doing so.  

skittles4/7/2018 9:22:54 AM

imagine if someone were to send every GW recruit or new signee s link to here. How many would actually want to sign up? This has gotten beyond ridiculous I feel sorry for Herve. 

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bigfan4/7/2018 12:03:02 PM

Now Tom Izzo (see even more news), now there's a man with values to emulate. What a mentor.

Haven't heard the story in awhile. GW athletic PR "machine" seems to have reached for the delete button.

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gw694/7/2018 12:50:29 PM

Your Izzo nonsense is a reach BF.Whats that have to do with the price

of tomatoes?Ihave had many mentors--some to emulate--others not so much.

So what?

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brianpaul4/7/2018 1:02:37 PM

Most of the guys on the board can use a tune-up Doc.

Me, I thought this thread was about Lonergan and Fatso.

BigFan. Go out for a nice walk, every day. You're too nice a guy to go all grumpy on us.

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the mv4/7/2018 5:34:22 PM

There is nothing wrong with what either of these gentlemen have done. What we have is a society that gets outraged over anything these days. 

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danjsport4/7/2018 8:28:45 PM

mv-what have they done?  Sounds like one guy oversaw a program stealing money from players and insulted a manager.  Another guy had been accused of attacking players and making homophobic remarks.

neither of those things are wrong, to you?

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the mv4/7/2018 9:56:40 PM

So what we should fire every coach who ever said anything mean to a player? If they didn't want to have their money stolen perhaps they shouldn't have had it laying around?  

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bigfan4/7/2018 10:19:30 PM

Attacking players?

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the dude4/8/2018 2:07:08 PM

Seriously, nothing wrong with what Patsos has done?

gw future4/8/2018 9:37:58 PM

Dummy Dude - what has Patsos dome? I only see allegations at this point.

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danjsport4/9/2018 9:24:22 AM

I hope this is an imposter version of MV.

the mv4/10/2018 8:49:41 PM

Danj, your hope is confirmed as the person you responded to on April 7 was not me.  I would like to take a moment to address this imposter as you alluded to him as. I have just completed one of the more difficult weeks of my life.  Unfortunately, one of my oldest and closest friends is extremely ill. I flew to his home to be with him, run errands for him, take him to doctor appointments and the like.  It was a physically and mentally exhausting experience to be sure, but one that I can and will do again and again if needed.  It absolutely sucks that I am flying home this evening.  Being incredibly busy, my sole post over the past week or so was to wish Jair well in the future and express my opinion that this is likely for the best.

Now, I am not writing this post so that you will wish my friend well ( though I will gladly accept all positive prayers and vibes) nor was it to have anyone feel sorry for me.    No, I am specifically writing to the clown who pretended to be me by using my poster name.  I want this jerk to realize that he was not being funny or clever or even mildly entertaining.  He was just being a total ass.  A dick.  An infant.  I was and am mentally drained and in a rare moment when I could, I checked to see if there was any news and did get to read about Jair.  And then, in the Patsos thread, I got to see some joker pretend to me.  I am not counting on it, but I hope whoever you are, you feel like shit.  Because you should.

To everyone...until Herve fixes this once and for all (and by the way, it absolutely should not fall on Herve to rectify this...not if everyone simply behaved properly), please just knock it off.  Spamming and sabotaging this board serves no redeeming function whatsoever.  None.

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the real dude4/11/2018 12:52:19 AM

Prayers for your friend MV.

As for the 2 or 3 people who post using 20 different names, I feel sorry for them. They obviously have a miserable life where they spend 8 hours a day on this site trying to spin their agenda. Prayers to them also.

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the mv4/11/2018 3:35:06 PM

Thank you for that The Real Dude.  Much appreciated.

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danjsport4/11/2018 4:41:34 PM

MV- I'm glad my suspicion that this was an imposter MV is confirmed.  We've disagreed plenty over the years, but that one was a step beyond something I'd expect you to write.  More importantly, I'm sorry about your friend and the angst it's causing you.  I hope your friend gets relief, in one way or another.  I hope you and his family do as well.  Good luck!  Thinking of you and all that good stuff that this "community" should ben doing.

the mv4/12/2018 9:28:11 AM

Thank you Danj.  Tough week being with him and it's infinitely more difficult being away from him.  Am praying for the best and appreciate your nice words.

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gw05094/13/2018 4:27:05 PM

Patsos Resigns: https://twitter.com/WNYT/status/984884358946459648

 

 

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danjsport4/13/2018 4:39:24 PM

Resigns?  Guess ML was wrong....

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gw05094/13/2018 4:41:57 PM

I think subsequent reports said Patsos and Siena came to some sort of settlement so he could call it a resignation.

dudette4/13/2018 5:45:10 PM

ML wasn't wrong. Siena bought his silence.  Sound familiar?

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luvdagame4/13/2018 10:41:52 PM

Gives him a better chance to land another HC position. Maybe at a smaller school but a chance nevertheless.

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brianpaul4/14/2018 10:03:25 AM

Just a little misunderstanding:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/college/basketball/mens/bs-sp-siena-jimmy-patsos-resigns-20180413-story.html

But, I was correct, it was Fatso.

 

 

 

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thinker4/14/2018 10:57:14 AM

This is what Lonergan should have done - resign before things escalated to the point of getting fired for cause and having to litigate for a year to get "some type" of settlement.

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brianpaul4/14/2018 11:56:27 AM

Oh!, ‘MV’  I’m so very sorry to have overlooked your personal problems.

Yes, MV. Your sacrifices, and your sorrows are so much more compelling than those of us mere mortals. And, to think your dear friend’s illness caused you such anxiety and stress for an entire week? Friendship can be so inconvenient, non? And, all the while (allegedly), some ‘dick’ was posting under your stainless and unique family name? Because, you’ve never come here yourself, and been a total ass, a jerk, a total liar, a prick. Non, never! I hope your sorrow does not lead you to the fabrication of lies, or to the misrepresentation of other posters’ remarks, or even to the dreaded confabulation about them. But, if that occurs, well...

C’est tragique.


Faux Dude, it is so sweet of you to make your offerings to the gods on behalf of MV. And, I concur. After 15 years of MV’s kindness and generosity, of him giving so very much of his time and wisdom to us all, the notion that some guys with 20 different names would mock one of the MV’s several noms de plume, well, that is shameful, indeed. (Ditto, to all you Faux Douches and Dopes.)

Quelle dommage.... quelle dommage

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big dummy4/16/2018 2:43:29 AM

Those of us who have lost wives and children will never know what it's like to suffer the real pain in life. A friend who is under the weather. MV, your bravery and courage during this trying time is the height of Courage.  You can bring chicken soup for your friend but your suffering has just begun. I have such great admiration for you during this most severe of tribulations. Your heroism is really something. 

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danjsport4/16/2018 12:18:37 PM

Guys- I wouldn't wish a friend's illness on my worst enemy, even if that enemy had done awful things and said awful things.  Can't we at least be a little civil?  I'm not saying MV has never said hurtful or wrong things to others (I offer no public opinion at all).  I'm not saying that posting what he did on this board was appropriate (I again offer no public opinion at all).  I'm saying that being a jerk in response to your perception that he is a jerk furthers nothing.  Let's keep the arguments to GW basketball, folks.  There are plenty of those to be had.  

 

 

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dudette4/16/2018 1:53:32 PM

Are you  that clueless Thinker or just a liar? If ML resigned instead of threatening a lawsuit he wouldn't have been able to settle for what he wanted.  $$

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the mv4/16/2018 2:25:53 PM

Thanks for that post Danj.  To recap, my post was made to address my imposter who I had zero tolerance for.  When I made it, I was exhausted, stranded at an airport waiting for my flight which had been four hours delayed.  It was not made to open a discussion regarding my friend.  It was made to point out to the loser posting under my name that I hoped he felt like shit for doing so. 

As for the subsequent classless posts by BrianPaul and his new appropriately named handle, Big Dummy, I would expect nothing less.

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danjsport4/16/2018 3:59:07 PM

MV- same goes for you.  The "pot shots" at the end of your post are unnecessary personal attacks that do nothing but put people further into a state of "personal" rather than talking about the team.  You should stop doing that also.

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the mv4/16/2018 5:01:31 PM

Danj, while I appereciate your attempting to take on the role of peacemaker, you should be aware that if shots are being thrown my way, then shots are going to be coming back.  I do not instigate any of this nonsense.  And, I tried ignoring this guy in the past but that only seemed to make him angrier and fire more abusive crap my way.  I realize how ridiculous this all sounds but the person you should be having this conversation with isn't me.  If BrianPaul and his parade of fake names can simply learn to behave, or even better, don't address me at all while also not referencing me whatsoever in any of his posts, I'll assure you we'll all get along fine. 

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gw 08 alum4/17/2018 7:55:53 AM

Brian Paul's latests posts on this thread are calls for help from a deeply troubled person.  Brian, if you don't have the strength to seek out powerful psychicatric help on your own, I hope someone on this site who knows you will reach out to you for a true intervention.

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danjsport4/17/2018 9:47:09 AM

MV- you have my sympathies for your friend; but not for your inability to "ignore" a poster on a message board.  My four and six year old this morning were screaming "stop yelling at me," "you yelled first," "no you did."  I'd like to think that interactions over a computer, where everybody has time to think before they hit "send" could avoid those kind of messages and we could actually enjoy talking about the team again.  

I came on this board around 2003 or 2004, as either a junior or senior.  It was fun to have a place to see how "adults" and some other "anonymous" students were viewing the basketball team that was super fun.  While I was able to spend some time with JR, Mike, Alex, and others, the board gave me a way to get some "basketball perspective" to what was otherwise just a fun college experience.  The board became even more important to me for the 2005-06 season, when I graduated and was at law school in Pittsburgh.  It gave me a way to be "in touch" with the basketball team, during its most fun year, when I just graduated and couldn't be close to the team.  It even allowed me to arrange a way to watch GW come back and beat UNCW in the tournament that year with some other Gwhoopers.  

I know the team isn't as good now; and the times aren't quite as fun right now.  But, if we could all remember why we're here--because we root for the same team and want good results--things could be better.

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the mv4/17/2018 10:29:35 AM

Danj, I could not agree with you more in regard to why we, as GW fans, should want to visit this board.   And as I said before, if everyone was simply willing to behave properly here, we would all have the board we want.  But I've got to say, this is the second time you appear to be appealing to me and not to the person who is doing the instigating here.  Why is that?  Why are you borderline lecturing me, the person who only reacts to shit here, and not to the person who is proactively going out of his way to sabotage this board?  You'd like to know why I just can't ignore these posts?  I'll tell you what..how abouit I launch dozens and dozens of posts at your expense.  I'll attribute things you "so-called said" that you never actually said.  I'll accuse you of lying and making up phony poster names when you have done no such thing.   And then I'll make up my own fake names to point out what an asshole you are.  I'll make it seem like all of these people can't stand you when it's really just me.  How does that sound?  Think you'll be ignoring every one of these posts?

I don't mean to be difficult with you but the fact is you are barking up the wrong tree.

porter714/17/2018 11:15:45 AM

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.  You guys should just block each other and be done with it.

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squid4/17/2018 12:35:48 PM

I like basketball 

former coloniall4/17/2018 12:47:55 PM

MV is a deranged loon, who has attacked others nonstop and  polluted this board for 15 years. You have to recall this is a man who was revealed to be posting as his polar opposite causing fights with himself  for years and years then when that was revealed he threatened to sue herve to force him to take down the revelation. Just recall what you are dealing with. 

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edward4/17/2018 1:33:00 PM

Former Colonial has hit the nail on the head about MV. Could be schizophrenia?

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danjsport4/17/2018 3:14:00 PM

MV- I've written three posts in this thread about etiquette.  The first was directed toward the two people who gave you a hard time about your friend and your posting about it.  You then proceeded to make a post that attacked back.  I told you that you should stop as well (post two).  In response, you went to describe how you're going to continue to respond to attacks against you.  I then lectured you (I don't disagree with your characterization) about how you should stop, even if they continue (post 3).  The reason you've gotten two posts directed toward you was 1) you attacked and I thought it should be pointed out; and 2) you then proceeded to converse as to why you would attack and how it would be appropriate.

As to your question, if you go on and on about me like that (and create other names), I will be taking a road that realizes this is an anonymous message board and if I am not attacking back,  the attacks will probably end soon enough.

the mv4/17/2018 3:36:03 PM

Come on Danj, is this a joke?  You address/lecture me twice by name.  Your other post does not address anyone by name, not counting your reference to me, as in your not saying that I've never said wrong or hurtful things here.  You are about as fair and balanced as Fox News.

But again, I don't want to give you a hard time.  Whether it's 1, 2, 10 or more people involved, I'll make it very simple.  Stop it with the verbal abuse in my direction and I will reciprocate in kind.  Am sorry if you feel this is unreasonable on my part.

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brianpaul4/17/2018 5:39:35 PM


Was that 5 days of inconvenience, Peter? Or were you stressed for an entire 7?

Either way, How about this?
     
It’s YOUR FRIEND. JUST GROW UP, SHUT UP, STOP WHINING, AND DO IT! 

And stop making believe somebody else is posting under your name. Nobody on this board is  smarmy, snotty, and deceitful enough to pose as you.

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the mv4/17/2018 6:21:22 PM

What’s the end game BrianPaul?  Trying to ruin every thread?

Loved how you brought back Kleos.  That was downright nostalgic.

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brianpaul4/17/2018 6:53:05 PM

I post as BrianPaul. My understanding is that with Herve's new system, he can check this sort of stuff out. So, if you want to check with Herve about me posting as 'Kleos,' feel free, MF.  Heck, why not ask Kleos himself? He's got a major internet presence. Maybe the two of you can hook up. Of course, you would run the risk of some adverse publicity. 

 

 

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gw 08 alum4/17/2018 7:19:17 PM

Brian Paul, DSM-5 312.34.  Bring this with you when you seek help. It'll help shortcut the process and maybe can get you the appropriate meds you so dearly require.  Best of luck.

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danjsport4/17/2018 7:45:25 PM

brianpaul, my, and gw 08-you are currently contributing nothing of substance to this thread.  Stop!

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brianpaul4/17/2018 8:01:52 PM

Dan, this guy has been on my ass about my dead wife for months.

And, it's absolute bullshit for him to claim that I posted those 4/7 posts under his name. He's a deranged liar, at best. He's been concocting sadistic lies for years, and I am sick of it. My guess, he posted that crap and he's weaseling out of it, as best he can. If you had not called him on it, he never would have disavowed his statements. 

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daniel strouse4/17/2018 8:15:54 PM

brian Paul-sorry about your wife.  You both clearly feel that you are the victim of the other.   If you stopped responding to what you perceive as him attacking you, and he stops responding to what he perceives as you attacking him, this all goes away.

 

stop with it all.

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brianpaul4/17/2018 8:17:27 PM

Have you been paying attention the past ten years? This guy tells smarmy, sadistic lies about anyone, any day of the week. I want it stopped tonight.

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gw 08 alum4/17/2018 11:01:52 PM

He who smelt it dealt it.  DSM-5 312.34.  That's the ticket my friend.

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brianpaul4/17/2018 11:13:40 PM

Care to pick a new name? Or, do you intend to stay between the cheeks?

 

alum1
gw 08 alum
 alun1
pippen
 amun1
gw future
 
 gw 08 alum
alum1
 lew saynus
gw 08 alum   
 little birdie dropping knowledge
gw 08 alum
lew saynus

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brianpaul4/17/2018 11:42:30 PM

Sorry. I had not intended to short change you:

 little dude

  • the real dude

 littlebirdie

  • the real dude

 

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gw 08 alum4/18/2018 7:58:12 AM

Come on pal, show yourself some love and do something good for yourself. Bring this with you when you visit the psychiatrist: DSM-5 312.34.  That's all he'll need. You'll only need an hour and he'll give you the meds.  Think of it this way, today can be one of the best days of your life.  It's up to you.

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rich maier4/18/2018 9:08:23 AM

GW 08 Alum, you are a cancer. You are Lew's Aynus. I invite everyone to check 3 Faces of Eve. 

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brianpaul4/18/2018 9:53:37 AM

Thanks, Rich. Not necessary, but thanks.

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brianpaul4/18/2018 10:51:10 AM

08- I think the psychiatric term for one of your problems is projection, right?  The board's shrink will know, I'm just taking a guess.

 

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brianpaul4/18/2018 1:49:22 PM

FWIW, my wife didn't die, she left me. Therefore, she may be dead to me but she didn't die!

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newgwfan4/18/2018 4:15:44 PM

You are off your meds is what MV has been saying to posters for 15 years.  As a guy using a dozen names to spread horrible comments about others he's not too good at covering his tracks is he? 

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the mv4/18/2018 4:23:51 PM

NewGwFan "knows" what I've been saying for 15 years?  Now that doesn't sound too new to me.  Sounds like you ought to get a new name dude.

Hey, look at what I just did there.  And I'm the one who has problems covering his tracks? 

 

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brianpaul4/18/2018 6:29:43 PM

1) I don't have cell phone internet access.

2) I had a 1:30 appointment with my cardiologist, which took 2 hours. 

3) I could not post at 1:49 and did not post at 1:49

4) Thanks for associating my name with your post about my dead wife, MV, Dudette, GW Future, GW 08 Alum. That's so very fucking thoughtful.

5) This is one of many phony posts made under BrianPaul, BP, ziik, et al. the past several months. I attribute every one of them to the man who posts as DOUCHE, and swears that he does not use any aliases or phony poster names. 

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gw 08 alum4/18/2018 10:49:43 PM

What a surprise! Our resident Anti-semite Rich Maier crawled out from under his rock.  I'm sure you and your famility are still grieving the loss of your Great Uncle Adolf.  Don't despair my little Nazi, between Trump and Brian Paul, I'm sure you feel emboldend to spew your hatred.

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brianpaul4/19/2018 3:11:11 AM


  
I barely know Rich Maier. Like him a lot, but have not yet met him in person. So, thanks for the heads-up, ‘GW 08 Alum.’ I’ll look out for the brown shirt when I do get to meet Rich; if it’s nice, all-cotton fabric, I may get one.

I hope to meet Rich’s wife, too. Nice, Jewish woman, she’s had a recent birthday. (If you don’t mind, I’ll leave it to you to tell her about her hubby. I don’t much like being an informant. It's a sleazy, smarmy practice, as you well know.)

BTW, where do you get your mustache trimmed? Same place as Dudette, GW Future, and ‘The MV?’ Over on Elmora Avenue, Baltimore? Kaufman’s Shoppe? I see an illegal Guatemalan immigrant myself, Berryville Avenue, at the little Hispanic shopping center.  Nice young man named Milton. He doesn’t do mustaches, though.

Anti-Semitism. Is that your ‘argument’? The mere allusion to odious political thought? I just don’t see it. I think you need to add some ‘facts,’ and extrapolate from them. But, Longing for Oscar and a gent named Mailvan carried on for years, with rancid accusations. They called guys all sorts of names. It just may work for you.(Check out the shit they dumped on ‘Jack’ and ‘Tommy’ if you’d like some really sick techniques to include in your playbook. Just a couple of boys, having some fun. LFO, MV, of course. Not Jack and Tommy.)

 If you’d like some new material, though, I recommend seeing the film, ‘The Death of Stalin.’ He ran a different little club, but, used similar techniques to your friend, Adolph.
  

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rich maier4/19/2018 10:31:14 AM

GW 08 Alum/GW future/alum1/pippen/little bird dropping knowledge/ and LEW's AYNUS..........perhaps GW69 can give you a group discount. You are a very sick individual. Hope you get much needed help. GW69 certainly worked with patients suffering from DSM 5 301.7. There is hope for you...DSM 5 301.7.

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gw future4/19/2018 11:13:07 AM

You keep up with your little grand poster conspiracy theories Brian Paul. Guess it helps you get through the day. No need to convince of you of things you know to be untrue but continue to post here anyway. But I know in some small way I’m helping. Just for shits and giggles, how many times a day do you check this board hoping that I’ve posted? 15-20-30-100? Because while we know you have a congenital problem with the truth, we also know that no one follows as hard as you. Congrats!

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long suffering fan4/19/2018 12:53:59 PM

A public service posting from LSF.   Next, I will be posting the Federal Rules of Evidence sections on exceptions to the hearsay rule.  Stay tuned.

Symptoms & Criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder (DSM 5 301.7)

According to the DSM-5, there are four diagnostic criterion, of which Criterion A has seven sub-features.

A. Disregard for and violation of others rights since age 15, as indicated by one of the seven sub features:

  1. Failure to obey laws and norms by engaging in behavior which results in criminal arrest, or would warrant criminal arrest
  2. Lying, deception, and manipulation, for profit or self-amusement,
  3. Impulsive behavior
  4. Irritability and aggression, manifested as frequently assaults others, or engages in fighting
  5. Blatantly disregards safety of self and others,
  6. A pattern of irresponsibility and
  7. Lack of remorse for actions (American Psychiatric Association, 2013)

The other diagnostic Criterion are:

B. The person is at least age 18,

C. Conduct disorder was present by history before age 15

D. and the antisocial behavior does not occur in the context of schizophrenia or bipolar disorder (American Psychiatric Association, 2013)

Onset

The DSM-5 notes that Antisocial Personality Disorder cannot be diagnosed before age 18, so while an adolescent may display antisocial features, prior to age 18, if diagnostic criteria are met, the appropriate diagnosis would be Conduct Disorder (American Psychiatric Association, 2013).

Prevalence

According to the DSM-5, the annual prevalence of Antisocial Personality Disorder is .02% to 3.3.% when the criteria from prior DSM editions are applied (American Psychiatric Association, 2013).

Risk Factors

The DSM-5 indicates that risk factors for Antisocial Personality Disorder are having a first degree biological relative with APD, and being a male, (American Psychiatric Association, 2013). If Antisocial Personality Disorder is primarily genetic or a product of social learning and other environmental factors has been widely debated by behavioral scientists. There are indicators that Antisocial Personality Disorder is a result of a genetic predisposition in that the individual is born without conscience. There is evidence for neuroanatomical differences in antisocials. A rs-fMRI (resting state functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging) study of n=480 adjudicated antisocial offenders showed “uncoupled connections”in areas of the frontal and parietal lobes which are associated with attention, self regulation, the ability to control oneself, and resolve conflicts . It was noted that physiological and anatomical deficits observed in the frontal /parietal areas, as well as the cerebellum, may account for the chronic low arousal, high impulsivity, lack of conscience, callousness, and decision-making problems commonly seen in individuals with APD (Tang, Jiang, Liao, Wang, & Luo, 2013). There is also evidence that environmental factors, such as internalizing messages from antisocial peers or parents are at work in Antisocial Personality Disorder. One possible developmental pathway if there are not appropriate treatment interventions is ODD, or RAD (Reactive Attachment Disorder) , and CD leading to APD.

Comorbidity

The DSM-5 indicates that Antisocial Personality Disorder is comorbid with substance abuse disorder, and other personality disorders (American Psychiatric Association, 2013).

Treatment of Antisocial Personality Disorder

The DSM-5 does not specify treatment options for APD (American Psychiatric Association, 2013).

The consensus is there is very little in the way of effective treatment for Antisocial Personality Disorder. Individuals with APD may have to be contained by the criminal justice system, through some combination of incapacitation (incarceration), supervision and monitoring (parole, probation, or house arrest), or informal monitoring by local law enforcement to contain their harmful behaviors to others to the greatest extent possible. Some research has shown that individuals with APD do feel degrees of empathy suggesting that at the very least some form of training may be possible (Meffer, Gazzola, den Boer, Bartells, 2013). There are also cases of individuals with APD converting to religion and finding strong conviction within themselves to reform and successfully integrate with society ("Confessions of a Christian Psychopath", 2011). The role of religion and spirituality as a possible treatment for APD is not well studied, and future research is warranted.

Incarceration may not be an effective deterrent to the antisocial individual, as those with APD have difficulty learning from mistakes, are rigid in decision making, and are typically unresponsive to punishment (De Brito, Viding, Kumari, Blackwood, and Sheilagh, 2013). A primary reason that individuals with APD are often non responsive to punishment and deterrence is an inner belief system that views constraints and consequences as a rudimentary function of society, a group which they do not see themselves a part of.  The antisocial may see themselves as existing above or beyond society, and thus their existence need not be confined to society's limitations and restraints; and on the contrary, those limitations and restraints are best utilized when exploited to the full advantage of the individual. As a result, for many with APD, incarceration may only serve to reinforce their primary belief system and have little effect towards future deterrence.  

The DSM- 5 as well as other sources note that individuals with APD may cease behavioral expression of their antisocial belief system in their 40's (American Psychiatric Association, 2013) although this is inconclusive.  Other sources argue that antisocials become too emotionally battered from a long term resisting of society and accumulate physical injuries from a lifestyle of neglect of medical and dental care, untended injuries, and drug and alcohol abuse.  This eventual emotional depletion may result in the antisocial reducing destructive behavior or criminal activity simply due to being no longer physically capable.   But even in this case, the individual will still retain an antisocial belief system in their day to day dealings with others, and may hide their behavior better through practice effects- learning to be more subtle and not draw attention to themselves and risk arrest or other containment. A specific form of CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy) called CSC (Cognitive Self Change) based on Samenow and Yochelson's seminal work with offenders has documented marginal success at modifying the behavior of violent offenders, both antisocial and otherwise (Barbour, 2013; Powell, & Sadler, n.d. ).

Impact on Functioning

Antisocial Personality Disorder will typically have strong impacts on most areas of functioning. According to the DSM-5, persons with APD may face incarceration as a result of their criminal actions, premature death from violence or accidents, or loss of assets or property from reckless spending (American Psychiatric Association, 2013) or civil forfeiture of assets. Divorce, separation, unemployment, financial dependency on state relief sources, homelessness, anxiety, depression, and suicide rates are all elevated in individuals with Antisocial Personality Disorder when compared to the general population (Goldstein, Dawson, Smith, & Grant, 2012). Antisocials also have the potential to cause great harm to those around them, including family, associates, neighbors, and complete strangers, through financial exploitation, theft, emotional abuse, assault, sexual assault, and homicide.

Differential Diagnosis

 

There are diagnostic rule-outs for the clinician to consider, in the DSM-5, disorders such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, as well as substance abuse disorders should be considered. Even very violent offenders may not be sociopaths, but sociopathy should be considered on a continuum, rather than a dichotomy of present or absent.

 

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rich maier4/19/2018 3:56:43 PM

LSF, thanks for posting. It's definitely APD.

gw 08 alum4/19/2018 4:59:58 PM

One can only hope Brian Paul and his Nazi friend get the help so so dearly need.  And, if the Nazi's actually has a wife, and she is actually Jewish, I hope she recognizes his deep rooted hatred of the Jewish people and divorces him before he causes her any type of harm.

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brianpaul4/19/2018 6:09:38 PM

Take it easy on Rich Maier. He may not be part of the tribe but at least he's not one of those "Jews for Jesus" types.

 

bigfam4/21/2018 2:40:52 AM

MV has some sort of personality disorder. That has been clear for a long time. 

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bigfan4/21/2018 3:16:13 AM

Happened to be awake. Needless to say not me above, nor exactly my name.

bigfan4/21/2018 4:06:25 AM

BigFam was me. A Typo.  Needless to say the 316 post not me.  

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