the dude
 10/15/2017 10:33:50 PM      Replies: 41

the dude9/3/2017 1:34:14 PM

Local boys pull it off.  Who says DC can't support good College Football teams.

thomas9/3/2017 3:19:52 PM

I was thinking about starting a thread about this earlier today, but wasn't sure if anyone would care, I'm glad that you posted about this Dude. The game ended at about 12:45AM eastern time, so a lot of people in the D.C.area may not have heard about it at all, unless you checked twitter and saw why UNLV was trending this morning. I'm expecting that all of the local TV, radio and newspapers will be at Howard on Monday with a bunch of coverage of Howard's win.

Howard being a 45-point underdog and winning the game straight up is a big enough story on its own, but when you add in the fact that Cam Newton's little brother Caylin, a true freshman, is Howard's starting QB makes this an even bigger deal. I'm interested to hear how Cam Newton's little brother ended up at Howard. Did he pick Howard over some bigger schools, or was Howard/low-major schools the only offers he recieved in high school?? You'd think being Cam's little brother who also plays QB would get him an opportunity at a bigger-name school. Down below is a link that shows the final seconds of the win.     


notta hater9/3/2017 4:26:25 PM

Thomas - there was a decent amount of local coverage last spring and late-summer that related to Newton landing at HU. He was doing well in Atlanta and some interest by some programs but he would have to move out of the qb slot. He and his family decided that if he did not get BCS level offers he would move to a narrower band of schools and focus on HBCUs such as Howard. When London landed at Howard post-UVA he signed. 


notta hater9/3/2017 4:27:52 PM

BTW, interesting weekend for the locals - Maryland over Texas, Howard over UNLV and Liberty over Baylor in the Self-Righteous Bowl.


ziik the senile old man9/3/2017 4:31:17 PM

So, Notta, SMU gets no invite to that bowl?

ziik the senile old man9/3/2017 4:32:54 PM

Nice to see HU go big for the win.  But, I think the headline ought to be limited to biggest upset in football history.  It's not like Finland vs. The World.

notta hater9/3/2017 4:55:29 PM

I guess SMU is playing UNC to see who plays Liberty.

dcabloob9/3/2017 6:22:01 PM

At 5 foot 11, Caylin Newton didn't receive any FBS offers. The only other offers were from Hampton, Savannah State, Texas Southern & Kentucky Christian. 


the dude9/3/2017 6:30:36 PM

Height was probably the reason.  Just out of curiousity, what's Russel Wilson's height? Brees? Tyrod Taylor?

gw alum abroad9/3/2017 6:34:06 PM

This was not USA beating England (1950) or Japan downing South Africa (2015) but it is pretty awesome. Howard home games were fun to attend back in the late 80's (the team was pretty good then), might be worth checking out this season.

elj9/3/2017 7:18:47 PM

Bob Carpenter mentioned it on the Nats' broadcast this afternoon.  But we all know the Twerps' win over defenseless Texas will get ginormous play in the Post (something on the order of "Maryland should be in the top twenty at leqast"), with Howard scoring a paragraph or two at best.

thomas9/3/2017 8:05:46 PM

Notta,  I don't know how I missed it, but Cam Newton's little brother being at Howard was news to me!! It's good that the Newton family didn't budge on Caylin playing QB in college, and he never switched positions to satisfy the BCS coaches. Maybe seeing how Cam and his father were scrutinized at Auburn convinced him that the "bright lights" of a BCS school isn't all that it's cracked up to be. It's interesting how all of this is playing out because the family probably thought Caylin would be out of the spotlight(at least for a year or 2) playing at Howard, but he ends up quarterbacking his team to a historic upset in his first college game as a true freshman!!! The Mike London factor is also huge for Howard like you mentioned. I was surprised he took the Howard job, I thought he'd be content being a high level BCS assistant until he could land another BCS job.

About Maryland, I believe the win at Texas yesterday was their first win against a top 25 team since 2010!!! How can that be possible when they've been playing in the ACC and Big 10!! I know Maryland hasn't been very good this decade, but they've made bowl games, you would've thought they had picked up at least 2 top 25 wins along the way. 

the dude9/3/2017 8:24:04 PM

Then there's this question,  what has happened to Texas sports in the last 5-7 years?

the dude9/4/2017 1:59:14 AM

Followed the next day by the 2nd biggest comeback ever.  Wow.

tuna can9/4/2017 8:43:22 AM

Thomas, Notta, Mike London was not perfect at Maryland last year, but he did revive their defensive line and made it somewhat credible against BigN competition. I am a longtime MD football fan... family connections to the program. London also helped settling down the animosity between local HS programs and MD rocky recruiting road. 

London is bound to carry a bit of that recruiting magic to Howard. This area is loaded with talent and he should get his share.

As far as Texas is concerned, they aren't as good as expected, for sure, but neither was MD as mediocre as some suggest. In perfect keeping with WashPost sports coverage, you can't read them and get any idea. The MD Football hometown coverage is found at the Sun. What was killing MD's program was that, while they were recruiting well enough, they were "bleeding" transfers for all the reasons that we know. As we know, if "expectations" are down, the interest to live through shit declines quickly. (GW basketball reference not to be overlooked).

The transfer trend reversed recently at MD Football. A top previous recruit who started for MD, but transferred away, actually transferred back this year. He was a speed guy, tailback/slot receiver who certainly sees a future now in their offense. The QB who unfortunately got injured in the game was actually the award winner in Alabama as best HS football player his senior year--just undersized at 5'11". He was replaced by a freshman who was considered the best dual-threat QB in the area out of St Johns... and he produced on the ground and with his arm.

Also, thanks to the Post's GW-like treatment of MD football, you wouldn't know that MD also JUST got transfers in of Utah St's best wide out who was an area kid and a former Fla St corner who I believe is the son of a former famous Raven linebacker. If their 2017 and 2018 recruiting classes with Durkin are any indication, (top 25 and big), they are getting name recruites from Norfolk up to Baltimore. On the defensive side, the most interesting fact from the Texas game was that MD went into the game with 17 players who had started a game previously. The craziness of the past will pay dividends. What we will see is the affect of Penn St having free recruiting reign over the DMV for several years. Last year's game re-lit the feud. Expect some amazing games this year and those to follow. 

So, to the premise that Texas just sucks, it underscores what most people don't know, this MD team is good.... not challenging for a B10 title good, but good. What they also have is a good depth chart. This is a team that's stock will be climbing. With this year's schedule, the same prognosticators who said that MD would beat Texas also say that this team may end up losing more games than last. Remember, that you can play a bowl game now with a losing record.

As far as what this has to do with GW basketball? Nothing other than I looked at the roster for this year's men's basketball team.... and just choked my coffee. Don't do it. The only thing that would make this season OK is a Hobbsian season schedule.  Basically, we should be playing teams with names that belong at the Last Supper. We shouldn't be playing any school with the word STATE in it without at least two directions, as well. Absolutely no schools known by one word. You could possibly convince me that this is a work in progress if I saw recruiting that showed that we would end up with an attempt at a full squad. At this pace, we may have 3 bigs by next year. I don't see a plan. If I am wrong, let me know. Otherwise, we are looking at a huge change in approach of play. I don't have a problem with 5 or 6 big guards; 2 or 3 speed guards; and a couple of small forwards, but at the end of the day, that's not the same is what we will be facing. Sadly, we are back to a time when we could lose to a Charlie Adrian led team.

I was there and it was no fun.

gw alum abroad9/4/2017 10:10:00 AM

Luxembourg drawing at France yesterday also deserves some recognition in this thread.

ziik the senile old man9/4/2017 10:52:32 AM

Charlie Adrian built a career vs. GW. An NBA great.

baccas929/4/2017 10:52:44 AM

This all pales in comparison to GW going to the Sweet 16, beating UMASS twice when they were number one (once at their campus), and winning the Atlantic 10 championship on that great run under Hobbs.  There was also the VCU debacle and the Iowa collapse to balance it out. 


ziik the senile old man9/4/2017 11:27:49 AM

I had thought the IOWA loss was scratched for point shaving, no?

ziik the senile old man9/4/2017 11:31:06 AM

On the other hand, some schools take educashion more seriously than athletics:

tuna can9/4/2017 11:35:08 AM

GWAA.... I missed that one. Crazy. I did watch all of Faroe Islands v. Andorra. That's like a solar eclipse.... once every couple of years, those two have a competitive match. 


thomas9/4/2017 1:20:55 PM

Ziik and Dude, it was funny how that Texas A&M-UCLA game played out last night, for about 2 and a half hours everyone on social media was calling for UCLA coach Jim Mora Jr to be fired and were saying that Josh Rosen(who could be the #1 overall pick in the 2018 Draft) was terrible, but when the game ended Texas A&M fans wanted Sumlin fired. They showed that Texas A&M has started the last 4 or 5 seasons 5-0 and finished all of those years unranked. As messed up as this may sound, Sumlin may actually get fired during the season!! Sorry to bring this up again, but that Texas A&M's collapse last night was very similar to that 1996 1st round NCAA tournament game that has been brought up on this thread a couple times. 

DCAbloob, those were Caylin Newton's only offers? Or were those the schools who would let him play QB?

Tuna Can,  London leaving Maryland's staff to take the Howard head coaching job left a lot of people scratching their heads. Was he hard pressed to be a head coach of a school in this area? Does he have ties to Howard? Another reason? We'll see how the season plays out, but the national consensus seems to be that Texas is terrible, not necessarily that Maryland is good. Maryland fans seemed to be the only ones praising the Terps execution, everyone else was talking about how awful Texas' defense was and that they don't have enough talent to compete at a high level. About the recruiting, Durkin immediately established a pipeline to DeMatha which should pay off tremendously for him in future. A lot of those DeMatha players have become instant impact players/stars as freshman last year and sophs in the game against Texas. 


ziik the senile old man9/4/2017 1:44:16 PM

Is London the gent who coached at New Mexico, Thomas? 

I recall Howard having some solid individual players, but an entire team making great plays has been a rarity. Good luck to them.

Meanwhile, I continue to look for football to die before it heals itself. 

But, the game dramatics, like the UCLA winning TD, are fun to watch.



notta hater9/4/2017 2:00:00 PM

Thomas, London played football at Richmond and was from Bethel HS, a recruiter's top stop for football, basketball and track. These guys all know each other. London assisted at some programs, left the profession, returned to the profession, became an assistant, became a IAA coach at Richmond where it became a playoff fixture for a few years including a IAA championship, coached UVA and assisted again. One thing he was always thought highly of - getting the attention of kids from the Tidewater region, in particular Hampton and Bethel, HS. 

thomas9/4/2017 3:04:47 PM

Ziik,  the guy you are thinking of is Locksley(I forgot his first name), he was supposedly a recruiting wiz who could convince the elite players from the D.C.area to sign at whatever school he's coaching at. But he wasn't quite ready for prime time when he got his opportunity to be a head coach at New Mexico(or was it New Mexico State), his record at New Mexico was TURRIBLE, and I'm not speaking 5 or 10 games below .500, he was like 4-28 as a coach. Since football doesn't really have a basketball-like AAU circuit where a Curtis Malone/D.C.Assault/AAU rep can get assistant jobs because they can Pimp Out 5-star players to the highest bidder, I always wondered what Locksley's hook was to get players to sign with him. 

Notta, I know most of London's back story, I just thought that he was on track to get another BCS job if he coached under Durkin(or another upper-tier BCS coach) for a few more years. It's not like he left Virginia because of a scandal, he just didn't win enough, so his reputation is still somwhat intact. Leaving Maryland after 1 or 2 years for Howard just seemed like a curious move to me. I have no doubt that he'll be getting more Caylin Newton type players from his stomping grounds(the Tidewater area) and this whole area very soon, especially after the UNLV win. I saw one of London's assistant's interviewed on the local news today and he was saying that Howard is already in position to beat out bigger-name schools for 2018 recruits. 

xac9/4/2017 3:17:18 PM

Mike Locksley - also two time U MD assistant, currently at Alabama. In the news today, but because of really sad news, his son was killed in Baltimore.



ziik the senile old man9/4/2017 3:30:01 PM

XAC, I am afraid we all will have kin killed in Baltimore. Sometimes, I wonder....

thomas9/4/2017 4:22:53 PM

Damn, that's terrible news about Locksley's 25-year-old son being killed in Baltimore. I just saw it on the news right after reading XAC's post. I feel bad for being a bit critical of Locksley in my last post, even though I had no idea that his son was killed when writing that.   

notta hater9/4/2017 4:51:40 PM

I don't know if I could ever get out of bed again if my child died like that.

thomas9/5/2017 11:19:39 AM

Someone has uploaded the entire Texas A&M-UCLA game on youtube. I've posted the link down below, along with the uploaders channel. This guy has a tremendous collections of college football and college basketball games on his channel that he has uploaded from the late 70's, 80's, 90's and 2000's. If you are a fan of college football and basketball, you need to check out his channel.   Texas A&M at UCLA     

nj colonial9/5/2017 11:45:54 AM

This time of year, can't help thinking of the gridiron...


nj colonial9/5/2017 11:47:32 AM

Good read, available from Amazon...


thomas9/9/2017 7:21:30 PM

I had to update this thread because Howard is now playing at Akron and were a huge underdog(about 25) again, and have put up another tremendous effort in this game. They trail 38-31, and have the ball inside their 10 with about 40 seconds left. Even if they lose this game, they definitely look like a legit MEAC and FCS team. I hope they go for 2 if they score a TD to win in regulation

thomas9/9/2017 7:59:27 PM

Howard was unable to drive 90+ yards to tie or win the game and loses 38-31. It will be interesting to see what they do in the MEAC when you consider how well they've played against 2 teams who compete at a higher level. 

the dude9/9/2017 8:21:57 PM

If Howard, can do it, so can GW!


notta hater9/9/2017 9:24:47 PM

I wonder if we are seeing a decline in numbers of folks participating in the sport that is having a ripple impact. The top 5-6 are able to win because there is a wee wee tiny tiny difference between their starters and their second teamers on the two lines. When a team not in the top 5-6 puts a second stringer into the game there is a pronounced deficit that can be seen against the starter or even the second teamers. It puts them in a bind as they keep the starters in the game and they begin to give ground or put in a fresher person who also gives ground. The same can be seen in some games between the FBS and the FCS teams. The FCS can hang around for a bit - a 1Q or 2Q and in some games until about the 10 minute mark of the 3Q. But maybe if they are competing over smaller numbers of players . . .

the dude9/10/2017 3:04:06 AM

Notta, you think you are reading too much into a very small # of abnormal results?

notta hater9/10/2017 9:15:28 AM last week. Let me check for this week - a few games were cancelled due to the storm.

nj colonial9/12/2017 2:15:33 PM

The old days...


the dude9/12/2017 3:30:12 PM

Woah, $2.50 seems kind of high doesn't it? Didn't movies cost a dime in those days?

Penn State! I wonder what the result of that game was, I am guessing not pretty.

ziik the soothsayer9/12/2017 3:43:21 PM

My father saw the game. Saw some bad times coming after it, too. But, there was a lot of good hootch back then.

Why pay a dime for movies with no sound, Dude? That was a depression concept. Sound. 

the dude9/13/2017 2:04:55 PM

Ziik, you had me at Hootch and "New Beaver Field"

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