mentzinger4/9/2018 2:47:56 PM
Same as the old (assistant) AD.
I doubt we ever sniff the tourney again -- a downgrade in conferences to Patriot or Colonial is much more likely with this type of unimaginative, bargain basement-type CYA leadership.
poog4/9/2018 2:59:30 PM
Still consistent with your negativity Mentz but your guy ML is gone while GW moves on. Tanya has been doing and will continue to do a great job in supporting ALL the sports teams at GW. Also missing from your voice of despair is the fact that athletics will report directly to the Office of the President.
gwmaven4/9/2018 3:06:07 PM
She is prioritizing basketball and rebuilding a winning program.
gw05094/9/2018 3:10:06 PM
Good luck to Tanya. I do wonder how much $ was spent on any outside search firms to arrive at the result of hiring the assistant AD?
gw alum abroad4/9/2018 3:11:55 PM
1) GW grad.
2) First female AD (Mary Jo Warner should have been).
3) Title IX experience.
4) Already with years experience as student-athlete, coach and administrator.
What is wrong with the choice?
me4/9/2018 3:15:09 PM
No money was spent on the search. The search never began because the President had taken a liking to her while she was interim. She has her head screwed on right and is open to suggestions.
brianpaul4/9/2018 3:15:21 PM
Some (Ment?) seem to feel: not enough balls. That's the ticket, GWAA. Not enough balls.
mentzinger4/9/2018 3:17:41 PM
"My guy" was Dooley, Poog, or anyone, really, who could have survived a competitive hiring process as is the norm at 350 other D1 athletic departments.
I guess it's an achievement that the new AD is a woman, even though the people on this site who keep tabs on such things tend to be the same ones who say PN was dispatched because he was gay (which of course was not the case), or that she is a GW grad (part of why I liked Dooley, actually).
Well, as with MoJo, I guess we'll find out. In Year 2? Year 10?
GWU: The Internship Athletic Department.
a poster has no name4/9/2018 3:20:42 PM
Coming from outside the GW world, it's hard to believe Leblanc set out with any particular inclination to hire someone from within. Makes one think that Tanya was actually the best candidate.
the dude4/9/2018 3:27:12 PM
Have heard only good things about Vogel. Congrats to AD Vogel.
bigfan4/9/2018 3:55:30 PM
Mentzinger's points quite valid.
She is however, one of our own and GW must mean something to her, a true plus.
Problem may be she was close to Nero, close to the basketball program and may be hesitant to make any necessary changes.
Decision does seem like not much will be shaken up or an attempt to get a big league basketball program. Or even pull us out of the current dumpster fire lit by her predecessor.
Hope she supports the fans in general and especially since we have endorsed all this self-imposed drama.
Says all the right things. Let's see if she does them.
Meanwhile, Congrulations to Tanya!
bigfan4/9/2018 3:55:57 PM
neil4/9/2018 4:04:13 PM
No brained. Next Hobbs will return
danjsport4/9/2018 4:52:24 PM
I don't think Mentz has an "agenda," other than disagreeing with the hiring process of the University as it relates to athletics over the past several years. But I'm inclined to give the AD a chance, given the new president and new situation. Then again, I am inclined to give Mojo the chance through this year. So, it appears that I disagree with you, Mentz :)
I don't know enough about the AD position, what she did well in the "interim" role, or what her plans are now that she has the current role. I kow that all with far more knowledge than me say that Leblanc is a guy who cares about sports, and presumably understands that college sports can enhance the college experience for those willing to attend free games.
I'm hopeful. Hope gets me upset fairly frequently. But I'll be hopeful again, anyway.
alum14/9/2018 5:20:59 PM
If you were hoping the new prez was going to come in and shake things up steer the athletics program to a fresh start - then surely you are disappointed today. Count me among those.
the real dude4/9/2018 5:27:19 PM
I'm with Mentz on this one.
Can't say I'm surprised. I'm not sure how "attractive" the GW job is right now - kind of like the HC job 2 years ago.
If Tanya has half a brain she knows exactly what Nero was doing the last couple years so Im not worried about the "status quo" - just like Mojo was aware of what was really going on between Nero and ML. However, like Mojo, is GW just settling because of financial constraints, a lack of interest in the job, etc. We will never know the answer. I hope she works out.
bo knows4/9/2018 6:01:52 PM
I was a little suspect at first (only because I didn't really know Tanya) but after getting to talk with and observe Tanya for awhile, I think it's a solid hire. She's a former coach not a bean counter so she understands the needs of individual programs. She may not have the basketball connects yet but she will get them. I have little doubt that she will evaluate the men's basketball program's progress fairly and without bias. Congratulations to Tanya!
dudette4/9/2018 6:22:56 PM
We really don't care as evident by this news.
the sons of liberty4/9/2018 6:36:02 PM
CLASS OF '96. HOLLA.
nj colonial4/9/2018 8:14:28 PM
I hope that the new AD, a Colonial, makes a point to communicate sometime soon with us loyal Colonials regarding the future of GW Basketball. I want to hear a strong commitment from her and the administration to building and sustaining a top program (both hoops teams, men's and women's).
mike k4/9/2018 8:37:52 PM
I would like to know who else was interviewed and/or considered.
jp4/9/2018 9:32:34 PM
Congrats to my friend and fellow '96 alum!
thinker4/9/2018 9:42:38 PM
At this point people have to understand that LeBlanc is personally overseeing the Athletic Department. If you like him running things then why wouldn't you support the person he has personally selected to be his manager?
free quebec4/9/2018 10:38:35 PM
NJ, Colonial, she already sent out that email that said she and he department strongly support the men’s basketball team - but aren’t planning to change coach any time soon (maybe next year). Not sure what else you are looking for.
The big question to me isn’t even who the AD is (it does matter but I am certainly not in a position to have an opinion on whether she’s a good or bad choice), and it’s not whether she puts out a generic statement of support, it’s whether the school invests the money needed to compete in the A10.
Thats the announcement I’d like to see.
the dude4/9/2018 11:14:03 PM
GW has had a commitment to succeeding in athletics for the last 25 years, gradually increasing over time. Solid, not at all costs, but a committment to winning after prior decades of not caring much at all. During this period, each GW Coach has taken to the team to the NCAA Tourney, The Women's program has consistently succeeded, and Mojo will do so as well.
porter714/10/2018 1:33:07 AM
100% agree with FQ here. I don't have much of an opinion on the new AD, as I don't know much about her. I want to see how adept she is at the financial aspects of the job. I'm interested in 1) can she fundraise and 2) can she market the basketball team. I think it's important that we keep the money coming in so we can continue to invest in the program. I don't know much about the fundraising, but the marketing of the basketball team has been poor the past couple of season.
My final thing I'm interested in is whether she has any thoughts on a D-1 Men's Lacrosse program. We've added some random sports over the past decade (sailing and squash), and I always wondered why we haven't developed a Lacrosse program. GW students tend to come from Lacrosse hotbeds (NY and mid-Altantic states) and it is not uncommon for private schools to be very successful. It always seemed like a natural fit for GW and something we could be competitive at in a short period of time.
gw694/10/2018 7:26:00 AM
Good points Porter--Totally on board with Lacrosse program idea.
fredd4/10/2018 8:31:50 AM
Well put Porter and FQ. My assertion is that the students and alums are impervious to marketing as a gateway to making a living g term commitment. I’ve been a sth since the 80’s and when I look at the crowd I don’t lots of new fans. Highly subjective I know. I find it amazing that GW doesn’t seem to get 50 to 100 to 150 new season ticket holders a year. Put another another way I’d be startingunned if there is a way to use marketing to consistently sell out the gym IF they build a winner.
To me it is all about school spirit or at least school spirit that expresses itself through sports. How do you attract and find prospective students with that quality especially when I bet some students like the lack of traditional school spirit.
gwmaven4/10/2018 8:40:57 AM
Well at least we know now that the AD choice will retain the vaunted Sailing program.
kdb sand diego4/10/2018 10:43:37 AM
Right you are GWMAVEN, it IS a vaunted, nationally ranked program, and becoming well-know her in SoCal which is a hotbed of high-school sailing. Having anyone on the Left-coast even having heard of GW (not the school down the street) is a plus across the board. Not to mention the quality kids it attracts.
alumnus4/10/2018 10:53:43 AM
I think she'll do fine. I think the success of GW hoops is always going to rest on a coach who finds recruits who outperform their ratings. I know little about the current assistant coaches, but I think if they find an assistant who's a strong recruiter and an experienced assistant who can help MoJo refine his coaching, the team can be successful. Not to cross threads but I'm sorry to see Bolden go. I think he may be a player who's missed more when he's gone than appreciated while he was here.
bobo4/10/2018 11:20:38 AM
The new AD said in her letter to the boosters that last year's basketball team was not up to expectations and needs to improve. If next year's team doesn't show some significant improvement she can either prove she is woman of her word by making significant changes to the staff or show herself to be just another simply suit.
long suffering fan4/10/2018 11:37:52 AM
Both sides are making valid points. On one hand, we don't have a clue as to whether or not Tanya will make a good Athletic Director and she does have some good credentials, although I disagree with Bo's stateement that "She may not have the basketball connects yet but she will get them", as I don't like hires (such as Mojo) who need to grow into the job. On the other hand, the point of Mentz and others is very valid. First with the head coach and now with the athletic director, we did not seem to do a nationwide search for the best candidate but decided to hire from within. Now I am perfectly okay with weighing the scales in favor of the candidate with exisiting GW ties, but when you skip the recruitment process on such an important position, to me that reeks of either "cheap" or "lazy". And this has now happened twice. Do your search, then if the best candidate is also one already at the school (or one who will work for less money), then hire that person, but to skip the recruitment process?
the real dude4/10/2018 1:10:19 PM
I'm liking LeBlanc more and more.
After a couple months of getting his feet wet and learning the facts, he gets rid of Nero.
Now, he reorganizes the athletic department and has them reporting to the President instead of the Provost. True leadership move. Will help avoid future scandals, which GW is becoming known for.
Keep Raising High President LeBlanc!
mentzinger4/11/2018 8:58:33 AM
C'mon. If we're really going to incentivize people with GW ties, we would have gone after Joe Dooley and at least looked at Jarvis or maybe soneone from the Ramsay/Levine HR folder as AD. Typical GW PR move: cost-cutting, face-saving, make-it-all-go-away-the-easiest-way-possible.
The good news is we've survived such mismanagement before. But I had hoped for more, having hired a new president with high-end D1 athletic department experience.
the mv4/11/2018 3:34:05 PM
FQ gets it right here. Imagine that: someone bold enough to come on here and acknowledge that they likely aren't qualified enough to give an opinion as to whether someone is a good AD choice or not. Neither are 99% of us.
While I can understand the frustration behind not conducting a national search, which is a reasonable assumption though we may not know this for a fact, I sense a few things are in play here. One is money as it stands to reason that we are presently paying two head coaches and given Tanya's experience level, she is likely earning less than a more seasoned veteran. The second is that in a certain sense, it is now easy for President LeBlanc to now join MoJo and Tanya at the hip. If the program favorably progresses, they will succeed together. If it doesn't, they can be released together and a new AD can be hired so that he or she may hire their own head coach. I suspect that MoJo-Tanya will be given at least two years to succeed together so if you were or are of the mindset that MoJo had better show results this coming season, this move likely bought him another year.
bigfan4/11/2018 3:43:10 PM
Indeed. Don't know if Tanya has the necessary AD department experience for a school at this level with a flagship basketball program--and lack of basketball contacts was pointed out--since much of her background was as a basketball coach.
It is good news that she is one of us and presumably bleeds buff and blue. She deserves our support, of course, but not unquestioning faith. Points for being a GW graduate and saying the right things, but has to prove herself in the comparative big leagues.
As pointed out above, this does smack of taking the easy way out rather than trying to get us into the big leagues--or even back into the middle leagues.
Both LeBlanc's and Tanya's rhetoric needs to meet reality and be more than just talk. Because, though squash is top 25 (out of how many?), basketball seems pretty screwed at the moment.
danjsport4/11/2018 4:45:18 PM
MV- as you know, I'm a proponent of seeing what Mojo can do this year. But I sincerely hope that the hiring of the new AD does not automatically buy him another year. If this season shows little to no improvement, and the recruits don't seem to show promise, I'd be hard pressed to give Mojo another year. Particularly if the sole reason is "there's a new AD in place."
I'm hopeful that the approach is slightly different--that they hired somebody who had become familiar with the program--and all its warts (as well as positives). That, with that knowledge, she'll be able to make effective decisions without having to start all over.
Only time will tell. But I wish her the best of luck, even if it buys Mojo an extra year!
gw alum abroad4/11/2018 5:14:47 PM
Just for clarification, is the "extra year" 2018-19 or 2019-20?
sw4/12/2018 6:42:55 AM
the school is holding a press conference at 5 on Thursday with the new AD and is inviting the public, ostensibly to fill the room.
Will be great to ask about ML, Pat Nero and her commitment to the A-10.
brianpaul4/12/2018 8:07:28 AM
Great Bill O'Reilly style questions, but, he'd be grabbing her ass, too, is that what you'd really want to see, SW? My guess, you'll mutter about tickets costing too much, not ask a thing.
dudette4/12/2018 9:38:36 AM
I would love to see someone ask why ML was really fired and why PN really resigned. Sereno might poop himself.
the mv4/12/2018 9:48:22 AM
GWAA, in my example, I was referring to 2019-20 as well.
Hypothetically, let's say next year is an on-court disaster. Vogel could release MoJO but who would her choice be to replace him? It doesn't sound like she has the ready-made contacts needed. She would interview candidates that she is not familiar with and decide that way. But, it really wouldn't be "her guy" in the traditional sense. That's why I say that MoJo is now safe for at least two more seasons.
If the next two seasons are disastrous, Tanya will have been on the job for 2 1/2 seasons (1/2 as an interim) and MoJo for 4 seasons (1 as an interim). At this point, LeBlanc can feel more than justified in starting all over, hiring a more experienced AD (or someone who he has an existing relationship with) and allowing the AD to hire the next coach.
In addition to financial considerations, there is rhyme and reason to all of this. While both Vogel and MoJo may lack the experience that many would like to see from individuals in these positions, I do believe that President LeBlanc genuinely likes both individuals and is comfortable allowing them to grow into their positions. At the same time, because of the unique circumstances surrounding both hires including the absence of national searches for each, LeBlanc likely feels justified in providing a shorter leash than he would to more experienced individuals.
I'm interpreting the thinking to mean that LeBlanc is willing to bet short-term on this combination. If the program turns around under their watch, then the bet is won. The right people are in place and both will likely receive raises/extensions. If it doesn't, then the school has paid less than it otherwise would have and we can start anew.
The one item I have failed to mention is what if the majority of GW Sports' programs are very healthy under TV's watch except men's basketball? Then, TV's tenure would boil down to LeBlanc's priorities.
Because of the calculated way in which some here "misinterpret" posts from certain individuals, it's worth mentioning that a season or two of gloom and doom is neither a hope of mine nor is it a prediction. Would love for both MoJo and TV to stay in their positions for the next 20+ years for if this were to happen, then something very, very right would be taking place in Foggy Bottom.
free quebec4/12/2018 9:49:09 AM
MV, I couldn’t disagree more with the end of your post. No reason at all this guarantees MoJo an extra year. If he doesn’t show significant improvement, I think any new AD who inhereted him would want to make a change to prove themselves. A hard-charging new AD out to prove herself might even do it now, but that’s not going to happen. Instead, she’ll be looked to to make the change next year because she can’t afford to tied at the hip to him if he doesn’t show himself quickly to be the long term answer for the program.
the mv4/12/2018 10:47:41 AM
FQ, my post does not represent what I am hoping to see. I wrote what I think could realistically happen should the program falter again. What you posted is certainly correct under normal circumstances. However, what is normal about how both MoJo and TV entered into their positions without seemingly talking to many or any other candidates? I agree that TV would not want to be linked to MoJo should the program not turnaround. I'm just wondering whether it is LeBlanc who is the one who is joining them at the hip, for better or for worse.
gw alum abroad4/12/2018 11:34:08 AM
Why do people think no search was conducted for a new AD? What proof of that is there? Hiring from within does not mean there was no search (nor does it mean there was). Sounds like people are trying to make the facts match their conclusions.
nj colonial4/12/2018 11:38:01 AM
Is anyone here attending the presser? Hope some tough questions are asked regarding hoops. Wish I was in the area today!
bigfan4/12/2018 11:38:41 AM
Now to Tanya's credentials, she did attend some sort of NCAA training to be an AD, though I imagine it was not envisioned that people would start at that level. And of course, she is total GW in her educational background, certainly a plus.
One thing that is disturbing is at best, everyone says that Tanya and Mojo can grow into their positions.
These are not the level of positions, nor should they be, where you grow into them. You should be fully formed and have appropriate experience.
alumnus4/12/2018 1:22:53 PM
People are throwing out complaints about Vogel that I think are a little unfair. First of all, who would want this job? Jarvis? Out of the loop and maybe not wanting to be more than a handshaker at this point. Assistant AD at a higher-tier program? Maybe, but they would still have to grow into the AD job. AD at lower-level program. -- still have to make connections relevant to GW. She does have plenty of connections GW would need. She knows what it's like for a middle-tier program competing in a market surrounded by higher level programs and pro teams. A lot of college ADs have never coped with that.
long suffering fan4/12/2018 2:43:53 PM
You may be right, Alumnus. She may be perfect for the job. Still, go through the due diligence and see who else is out there, and if there are no candidates more qualified, then hire her.
gw694/12/2018 3:26:56 PM
The last President of the U.S.with sterling credentials was George Bush the Elder!TV's credentials for her job are light years
ahead of Trumps.Higher standards for our A.D.What a world.
free quebec4/12/2018 3:51:45 PM
Sorry, MV, still don't see it. How is LeBlanc joining them at the hip? Unless he only gives her 1 year to turn the basketball program around or refuses to let her make a chance if the program isn't turning around. I seriously doubt that's how LeBlanc sees it.
the mv4/12/2018 4:22:30 PM
Not one year FQ, two. That's why I said that MoJo may have just bought an extra year by this move. If changes are warranted after the 2019-20 season, I could see LeBlanc fully cleaning house at that time. It certainly is possible that MoJo is here for just one more losing season and then TV gets to pick her head coach. I just don't see it playing out that way. That's not to say that it couldn't. This is entirely speculative needless to say.
free quebec4/12/2018 5:53:46 PM
Yeah, I just strongly disagree with you. I think there's no way we go through another bad season without making a change. If the team shows serious on-court improvement, but still isn't good, then maybe he could get another season, but not only do I strongly doubt that MoJo can survive another seriously down year for the program, I actually think that the hiring of a new AD (any new AD, including TV) makes it even more likely that this is the make or break year.
Maybe it's just that my perspective is off - I know I'm in the minority in being willing to admit on here that we should have made the change this season (I know lots of people who don't post here or refuse to post here anymore who agree, but my position is mean and MoJo is a good guy, so most people who believe it don't want even want to put their online identity behind the mean side of a moot debate). But that said, if we have three straight down years under MoJo (with a poor record and zero energy among the students and small fan base), it would be hard to see giving him a 4th year without it looking like we are on the verge of a serious breakthrough.
thinker4/12/2018 6:08:44 PM
I don't think it makes that much sense to focus on Vogel -- This is LeBlanc's program now. MoJo is still on board because LeBlanc wants him to be. One year, two years, forever -- whatever it is is being decided by LeBlanc and the naming of Vogel as permanent AD doesn't alter that in any way.
Do I think that LeBlanc was satisfied with the overall results of last year? Absolutely not. Vogel's email confirms that. I have no idea what LeBlanc's metrics for deciding stay/go for MoJo are, but I bet he knows what they are and I imagine that has been communicated to MoJo in a relatively straightforward fashion.
FQ, I agree with you 100% that GW shouldn't be keeping MoJo because it's "fair" or that he "deserves it." If they were convinced he wasn't going to succeed, then they should have fired him this year.
Finally, I really don't think money OR the need for stability is factoring into this that much. LeBlanc is clearly willing to make wholesale personnel changes throughout the university. He's not holding onto MoJo to save $250 grand (or whatever)
the mv4/12/2018 6:15:49 PM
FQ, I am not disagreeing with your perspective. You are coming at this from the perspective of what deserves to happen or what should happen if the team falters again next season. I am not. My perspective is what's going to happen now that TV has the fulltime position. I am trying to read LeBlanc's mind in all of this, and I of course can be entirely off base. My sense is that he has in MoJo and TV two great people who may or may not be the answer in turning this program around. If they get the job done, great. If not, then how much time is he giving TV? Does he allow TV to fire MoJo after next season, allow TV to hire a new head coach, and then fire TV a year or two later? Then, a new AD arrives with a fairly new coach already in place? That's why I think LeBlanc might be thinking two more years to show progress; otherwise, a new AD will be hired who will hire the coach. Like the way this is supposed to work.
(It's funny that you wrote "if we have three straight down years under MoJo..." My immediate thoughts were a combination of Maine Colonial inquiring why you felt MoJo's first year was a bad year since that team won 20 games and reached a postseason tournament, even won a postseason game, along with The Dude questioning you by reminding us all that MoJo is about to enter into his second year as head coach. Only here.)
bobo4/13/2018 12:34:51 AM
GW and LeBlanc can't be "convinced" that MoJo will succeed at GW. MoJo's done nothing so far to convince anyone of his abiliity to succeed at GW or anywhere else as a head coach (unless you consider having a team not totally fall apart the first year convincing). They may be hopefull that he will succeed. More likely any objective viewer would be at least slightly pesimistic of the likelyhood of success but not yet ready to pull the triger. Vogel's letter made it clear that the current state of the program is not sufficient and needs to improve significantly ASAP. It should be clear to MoJo and everyone else that next year is his last year at GW unless things turn around.
brianpaul4/13/2018 6:12:47 AM
The new assistant will alleviate all your concerns, Bobo.
mike k4/13/2018 6:34:10 AM
Would still like to see who was was considered and/or interviewed for the AD position.
gw694/13/2018 7:59:49 AM
O.K. sports fans--I have a "very reliable " source who tells me that Mojo needs to have a "significantly" better record next
year to keep his job.Unclear what "significant" metric is.Vogels job open-ended for now.
me4/13/2018 8:43:09 AM
Guys please know that I have it on reliable informaiton, nobody else was interviewed and there was never a search. Direct from the President on this point.
long suffering fan4/13/2018 9:10:59 AM
So GW already had the most qualified AD candidate in the country in its stable and did not have to consider anyone else? Just how lucky can one school get?
newgwfan4/13/2018 9:15:50 AM
So isn’t TV essentially a puppet of the president?
bobo4/13/2018 9:21:34 AM
LSF, GW also had the most qualified candidate in the nation for head basketball coach sitting there as just the 3rd assistant two years ago. Good lord is this program stacked with talent!
gw05094/13/2018 9:42:11 AM
Well I guess if LeBlanc's decision-making is so suspect we might as well just bite the bullet and fire him. He obviously doesn't know what he's doing if he decided to promote TV and retain Mojo. Shortest Presidency in GW history?
gw alum abroad4/13/2018 9:47:22 AM
The Washington Post actually covered GW athletics! I know, hard to believe, but here is the story.
Now, the Post fact-checks stories and does research, and no where in the story does it say GW did not conduct a search or that it is giving up on fielding a competitive hoops team or that there is any cloud over the previous AD. Personally, I find the Post more reliable than anonymous internet posters, but maybe that is just me...
dmvpiranha4/13/2018 10:12:24 AM
To those who haven't seen it yet the press conference was streamed through facebook: https://www.facebook.com/GWSports/videos/10156503244514668/
nj colonial4/13/2018 10:52:29 AM
Watched the press conference taped/online late last night. I remain surprised that a vigorous recruitment/search wasn't conducted but I don't question Vogel's fierce loyalty to and love for GW or her abilities. Mostly softball (not the sport!) questions from the press. I do apprciate Mark Plotkin's loyalty to GW but I wish he would SHUT UP about playing Georgetown. Who needs that sinking ship... not the Colonials. I am fine with the concept of a local tournment or setting up a "Philly Big Five" type situation for the DMV but there should be no special treatment for the formerly relevant hoyas. As for the new AD, I want to hear more about hoops, especially Men's Baskeball, how we will get back to winning and the NCAA tourney and how she plans to build (bring back) support from s tudents and alums for the program. She did mention "winning" several times so that's encouraging.
brianpaul4/13/2018 10:55:25 AM
I enjoyed SW's hardnosed journalistic approach. He really kept Vogel off guard the way he peppered her with questions.
porter4/13/2018 1:10:21 PM
NJ Colonial - 100000% agree with this comment: "As for the new AD, I want to hear more about... how she plans to build (bring back) support from students and alums for the program."
I know the team wasn't strong last season, but the attendance was terrible, especially by the students. There are 10,000 undergrads at the school and we only got like 200 to show up to some of the basketball games. That's just awful.
I know GW isn't a sports school. I always like the fact that GW did not have one thing that everyone did, and that everyone had their own things. We need to find a way for one of those things to be going to basketball games for more students. If you get 10% of the student body interested (which is still nothing compared to most schools), that's 1000 sudents, which fills the student section. Get them as students, you will have them as alums, which will fill up the other half of the Smith Center. I know that winning can cure all, but there was a serious nose-dive between the NIT team to MoJos first year, and MoJos first year to last season.
the mv4/13/2018 4:19:21 PM
TV is certainly enthusiastic enough and appears likable enough. Just not a lot of substance behind her remarks. Men's basketball is the revenue generator and we play in a competitive conference so of course they will continue to receive resources. What does this mean? More resources? Resources to be spent on what? Are recruiting budgets increasing? Chartering more flights?
Before it didn't, the fact is that ML/PN worked on one level...ML had enough experience to oversee his program without PN having to have to step in and make basketball decisions. PN really could focus more on other sports. Is MoJo equally capable (or close enough) to orchestrate things on his own? Does TV have the required basketball savvy to assist him? My criticisms of JK notwithstanding, he was a basketball guy. So was Bilsky. Again, Nero wasn't but he had a very experienced coach. Am frankly a bit nervous about this setup, even with LeBlanc being the ultimate decision-maker.
I do understand the inappropriateness in airing dirty laundry during a celebratory day. Nevertheless, I'm sorry but this whole thing is still weird. It's like a family that is completely dysfunctional on the inside having company over dinner, so everyone must be on their best behavior and nobody can dare bring up problems from the past. Commissioner McGlade was in attendance; not her press conference obviously but it would be great to get her reaction as to the conference's co-Athletic Director of the year mysteriously resigning six months later.
Which brings me to GW Future, who indicated here that some big news was going to break either this past Wednesday or the Wednesday before. Did I miss this?
bigfan4/13/2018 5:09:53 PM
"Nevertheless, I'm sorry but this whole thing is still weird. It's like a family that is completely dysfunctional on the inside having company over dinner, so everyone must be on their best behavior and nobody can dare bring up problems from the past." Very true.
And what is the mysterious news alluded to?
We can use some news about a grad transfer, as well, because we really need a tall one.
maine colonial4/13/2018 5:51:03 PM
TV's first coaching hire as AD appears to be a winner: Michelle Demko, who played at Maryland. LINK
She's just about the soccer equivalent of Coach Rizzotti: VIDEO
poog4/13/2018 6:38:37 PM
Despite the reservations of all the geniuses here, Tanya Vogel is well positioned and prepared do an excellent job as GW’s athletic director. She has the confidence of Dr. LeBlanc who is going to be the interested engaged University President not the Wizard of Oz behind the scenes decision maker in all things athletic. He has plenty of fish to fry as he puts his people in place around the university so his selection of Vogel reflects his confidence she can take care of things in the athletic department. Not accusing anyone of gender bias but all these doubts about her abilities and authorities sure smacks of it. Most of you only care about men’s basketball and that’s fine. But the athletic department is much more than that and all of the athletes represent GW. Mo’s fate will be determined by his success or failures on and off the court. Same is true of all the other coaches. Tanya Vogel will be making those decisions based on the best interests of the university and the programs. No doubt she will share her thoughts with LeBlanc. But I also have no doubts that the athletic department has been placed in capable hands. Steve Bilsky had 3 years of experience as an asst AD at Penn before becoming GW’s AD. Tanya’s experience is comparable plus the NCAA network she has developed. Athletics will be as strong as the support it gets from its fickle fan base. That’s where my real doubts lie.
gw694/13/2018 8:12:20 PM
the mv4/14/2018 8:38:26 AM
Poog, you are not accusing anyone of gender bias but you certainly have alluded to this. So, does this mean that anyone who expresses concerns about TV’s experience level and/or presumed lack of men’s basketball contacts is essentially a sexist? Debbie Yow had some difficulties coexisting with Gary Williams for sure but if someone with that background and credentials had become the new AD, these points of concern regarding TV would not apply despite Yow being a woman. Your point about all GW Sports is a fair one and perhaps TV goes on to become a great AD because the majority of GW sports programs become enhanced under her watch. However, this site is devoted primarily to men’s basketball, men’s basketball is what drives the train so to speak, and yes there are many here like myself who of course would like to see any GW sport do well but who admittedly care substantially more about men’s basketball than all of the other sports combined.
poog4/14/2018 9:21:10 AM
Wondering about whether LeBlanc is joining Mo and TV to the hip, what the Prez will allow her to do and getting rid of them as if a package or worrying about what her basketball contacts are or whether she has enough experience for the job speaks to me of fans who question her fitness for the job based solely on perceived basketball bona fides and an unspoken lesser of a candidate because she is a woman. As I said, though an accomplished basketball player, Steve Bilsky replaced Bob Faris with only 3 years of experience as an assistant. Though men's basketball generates revenue at GW, I daresay it hardly "supports" the rest of the athletic department by filling its coffers with streams of gold. I even wonder if the sport operates in the red, let alone provides spillover funds, unless it and the conference generates NCAA tournament money (NIT championship most likely added prestige along with financial red ink). Complaints about squash and sailing and gymnastics tend to overlook the family demographics from which these athletes typically come, a demographic which undoubtedly brings in donations to the school. Check out the Buff and Blue Fund challenges from the past several years and you won't find basketball at the top of the giving competition.
There is no question that GW wants its two marquee basketball programs to spearhead the success of athletics at GW. The school determined that the removal of Mike Lonergan was a necessary but understood "step backwards" in the on-court trajectory of men's basketball. Nobody realistically expected immediate success on the court given the disruption in the roster and the fan base. The school has clearly expressed dissatisfaction with the results from last season. Whether Mo has 1 or 2 or 3 years to address the slide is open to all kinds of speculation here but more serious consideration from those running athletics and the university. Tanya has publicly stated disappointment in last year's MBB results and concern about the direction and future plans for all sports. That is her job as AD. She reports to LeBlanc who by all accounts and indications, has a strong interest in sports in and of itself and as a reflection of university aspirations. She is no shrinking violet and is not intimidated by her responsibilities or a skeptical slice of fans. I just believe that the ball has been placed in her court by the University president and she will succeeed or fail based on what transpires under her watch. Every new hire brings doubters. Fair enough. I just get the sense that Tanya is being questioned because she's not one of the boys or the product of an extensive search of all the familiar Capt Renault suspects.
the mv4/14/2018 10:29:42 AM
Yes Poog, there is also a level of frustration over the absence of a national search for the position. Is that also inappropriate? Kevin Anderson just formally resigned at Maryland, a capable interim has been filling his shoes for the past 6 months, and yet the school has announced that it will be conducting a national search in which the interim will be considered. Any reason why did this not happen at GW (and please spare us the argument that we don’t know if it didn’t because we most certainly would have been told if it had happened)? We will agree to disagree on the “not one of the boys” point. There are enough reasons to have concerns here without introducing gender bias into the discussion.
tuna can4/14/2018 1:14:56 PM
POOG, I stay out of thiesebluster battles, as a rule, but thanks for pointing out the obvious.
gw694/14/2018 3:14:00 PM
I don't have the time nor inclination to address the specific issue about Vogel and whether there was or wasn't a search.
I believe almost ninety percent of what goes on here is about the GW's "inferiority" to the school down the street and
many other elite universities in the country.We don't act "first class" --we fall short on acceptance rates - rankings -athletics.
We are a "safety school". When something happens that reinforces that perception whether true or imagined we(I include me)
get upset.I really think that this underlying "myth" is incredibly powerful and influences our perceptions of events at G.W.I could
talk about self- esteem forever--but I won't for now.--
porter714/14/2018 3:54:52 PM
Poog - Disagree on your comment "Nobody realistically expected immediate success on the court given the disruption in the roster and the fan base". I think this is what GW intended by hiring MoJo. That's why you hire the interim to be your full-time coach. You like the trajectory the program was on and you wanted to keep some continuity to keep it on that trajectory. If you want to rebuild, you normally go to an outside hire. Unless you think that of all coaches in America, MoJo was the most qualified and best to rebuild the program.
What I think happened is that MoJo was hired after his first season in order to keep the team intact. That didn't happen, as you got a rush of transfers and departures from potential contributors that forced the program into rebuilding mode. However, I don't think the University assumed this was going to happen.
I hope the new AD does well. I just hope she's successful in some of the marketing and branding eras that PN was not.
thinker4/14/2018 7:55:51 PM
I'm not sure why there has to be a search . The guy at the top is choosing his management team. If LeBlanc wants Vogel then that's all anyone should care about -- unless you don't have confidence in LeBlanc. And if you don't have confidence in LeBlanc then I don't know what to tell you since he's going to be in charge of GW as far as the eye can see.
bigfan4/14/2018 8:32:16 PM
LeBlanc has to earn confidence. Tanya has to earn confidence, with a little extra credit for being a GW product. Mojo has to earn confidence he can handle the job now that 2 years have passed.
Tanya should not have gotten the job because she' s a woman-and presumably didn' t. That is nice in a trail blazing way, but think Mary Jo probably would have been good years ago. Let' s not suggest that any questions are due to het gender. To be fair, Tanya's resume is thin for the job in terms of athletic administration and certainly for basketball, but maybe LeBlanc sees something based on her six months. Shesays the right things. Hope she makes the right decisions.
Certainly support her and anyone at GW.
In terms of AD, the GW job is bigger and a lot more desirable than when Bilsky took over. If you don' t think it is odd we hired a 3rd assistant with just several years of coaching experience and an AD without very much admin experience, both without any seeming search at all, that's certsinly your right. Other have a right to differ and note that it seems odd for GW' s two most prominent, highly paid athletic jobs.
For LeBlanc, Tanya and Mojo, these are big jobs and they need to prove they belong.
thinker4/14/2018 9:47:23 PM
Everybody is called by their last name except the "girl" --then you call her Tanya. Thats not sexist at all. Haha
No one has to earn your trust because you're not a stakeholder or decision maker. The Board of Directors chose LeBlanc and I bet there was a major search for that position. When they hired him they determined that they trusted him to such a degree that they entrusted the future wellbeing of GW to him. Getting the job means that the people that matter most profoundly trust him. Hes already earned our trust.
bigfan4/14/2018 10:06:14 PM
You are an incredible jackass, Thinker. If you call someone else racist and sexist, you think that prevents you from being one. You are no doubt both racist and sexist in addition to classist as we have seen-and covering up with your virtue signaling like a pyromaniac calling 911 to report a fire he started
Needless to say,you are factually wrong.Is Mojo a last name, you piece of slime? Get your virtue signaling facts correct. Before feelimg so smug, make sure you' re right.
I've called Nero Patrick and used to refer to Kvancz as Jack. Was that sexist?
You only make an ass out of yourself with accusations, " Thinker."
Crawl back under your rock.
thinker4/14/2018 11:32:06 PM
There are a lot of posters on this board. Some say smart things, some say offensive things, some use faulty logic, some are liars, some are boring, some post things that I agree or disagree with, some have inside information, some have great insight into recruits or coaching matters, some are funny. At least one poster has posted a series of the most HILARIOUS haikus about ML.
But you Bigfan must literally be the dumbest poster on this board. You literally never post anything smart or insightful or interesting. Your points never have new information or arguments. They are never well reasoned or persuasively argued.
When I read your posts aimed at recruits listing the reasons they should come to GW I am embarrassed for you and GW. When you tell recruits they should come to GW because the Spy Museum is free on Tuesdays or that the METRO has extended hours on the weekends I wonder WTF? Do you actually think that's smart and clever? Because it seems pretty stupid to me.
When you call Iverson a wannabe thug I wonder who doesn't think that's a racist term? When you talk about Nero or ML or LeBlanc or MoJo (btw thats short for Maurice Joseph) and then you say Tanya has to earn your trust, I wonder who doesn't think thats sexist? When you repeat the Lonergan narrative that tries to paint Nero as a sexual predator, who doesn't think that's homophobic?
So feel free to respond to this anyway you want, but I don't expect anything smart or insightful or funny because you've never been that here.
Go ahead and be outraged. Some on the board might leap to your defense - oh Bigfan is a great guy. Blah blah. Sorry you are simply a big dummy.
thinker4/14/2018 11:35:38 PM
Herve, I believe the above doesn't violate your basic rule because I make an argument that Bigfan is an evil pantload.
porter714/15/2018 1:07:23 AM
Thinker - Couldn't disagree more with the statement "No one has to earn your trust because you're not a stakeholder or decision maker." Bigfan, you, me....we are all stakeholders. We all provide the Athletic department and GW sports programs with our enthusiasm, our time, and our cash money. GW wouldn't have the relatively strong athletic program it has without the fans, alumni and supporters. And we don't have to spend our time and money blindly. There are many things we can choose to spend out time and money on. If you want to blindly follow LeBlanc,s decisons, whatever they may be, that is your decision and completely fine. It's your time and money. However, Bigfan and everyone else has the right to question what the program is doing and if they disagree the direction, take their time and spend their money elsewhere. Based on our attendance last season, it appears a lot people have already done that. That's a shame, and I hope is something that TV can change
thinker4/15/2018 1:41:54 AM
Saying that LeBlanc or Vogel don't need to earn BF's trust is really saying that BF's trust is not remotely relevant to anything. So BF can say he needs to have his trust earned but his lack of trust has no real world effect. It's like me saying Trump needs to earn my trust or the Republican party needs to earn my trust. I have no influence over anything they do so my trust one way or the other has no relevance until the next election when my influence will consist of one vote out of MANY millions.
Saying BF is not a stakeholder is not to say he doesn't care about the team or the university's leadership. But the reality is that in this kind of situation an actual stakeholder is someone who contributes in some significant way to the university. GW cares about its stakeholders because if they are unhapppy, they could easily stop contributing in the way they had when they were happy. That is usually in the form of money, but not always. There were lots of people that wanted Hobbs fired and that had no impact until the person who wanted him fired the most was the Chairman of the Board who kicked in the money to pay for Hobbs' buyout.
Anybody that felt strongly about ML not being fired the way he was could certainly have kicked in a couple million to smooth the whole thing out in some way. That's what I call a real stakeholder. When alumni at Georgia Tech contribute $8 mil or so to fire Paul Hewitt.
Buying season tickets for $300 or whatever doesn't generally make you a stakeholder in the sense that anyone is going to care if you cancel your tickets because you don't trust "Tanya." The students, present and future are stakeholders because them embracing the vision for athletics does make a real difference to GW.
You aren't a real stakeholder in the Washington Post because you threaten to cancel their digital subscription because there aren't enough stories about GW.
gw alum abroad4/15/2018 8:40:10 AM
Chill pill everyone. TV has experience, particularly in the area of Title IX which has been a shambles at the AD and GW at-large of late. She has administrative and fundraising experience (or is coaching just recruiting and running practices?). She has first-hand knowledge of the GW student-athlete experience (and from an era when that was much more a seat-of-the-pants operation than it is today). Already on her watch, women's hoops went from NIT bubble to NCAA-banner, baseball is in second place in the A10 and the WaPost is covering the department.
Will she turn GW in to the academic and athletic uberlord we all want GW to be? We don't know. Is her genatalia the reason for some of the unenthusiastic reactions? Perhaps. Was she the right hire? I see no reason why not, but time will tell. Are Thinker, Bigfan and others here rabid GW fans? You bet your ass.
Now, back to debating why the men don't play games at the downtown NBA arena, if the music in the Smith Center is too loud, why the students are crummy fans, should JJ be allowed back and where to get cheesesteaks when roadtripping to games in Philly. Enough with the hand-wringing about former employees.
gw future4/15/2018 8:50:45 AM
Thinker you are so naive about how things work it is must be blissful to be so ignorant. Did you look around in the stands the past 2 years. There are many Bigfans who unlike Bigfan voted with their feet. If they aren’t stakeholders why is GW and Tanya Vogel setting out to win them back as a first priority??? Students come and go but it is interested and engaged alumni who endure and provide the backbone of support. Your rote dismissal of the Bigfans and Porters of the world is arrogant and condescending and certainly goes against what Tanya Vogel and President LeBlanc have been preaching.
As for the sexist comments that tells me all I need to know. You continually cloak weak and pathetic arguments in moral superiority clothes here to distract from points you can’t or won’t address. You are as transparent as plastic wrap.
long suffering fan4/15/2018 9:09:19 AM
Suggesting that the university should have gone through a more detailed recruiting process before hiring an athletic director does not make one sexist.
It never occurred to me that when posters were discussing Mojo, they were referring to Maurice Joseph. I assumed they were referring to Maurice Johnson and was wondering why he was coming up in so many of our discussions. (How many of you remember the original Mojo?). That makes more sense to me now. Note: during the 1971-1972 season, Mojo gave us 10.5 ppg and 5.0 rpg, numbers I will take in a heartbeat from any front line player next season not from Puerto Rico. And now the trivia question...Without looking, who was the leading scorer on that 1971-1972 team? (Holy crap...that was 47 years ago...before Thurston Hall went coed). Hint...he probably had the greatest NBA career of anyone who played basketball for GW. Wisconsin Colonial...you may not answer.
gw alum abroad4/15/2018 9:47:27 AM
LSF is an evil pant-load. Red Auerbach, who had the best NBA career of any GW grad, was not on the team in 1972.
poog4/15/2018 10:06:19 AM
long suffering fan4/15/2018 10:19:34 AM
The player I had in mind was indeed, Ronnie Nunn. I did not recall if Red actually played for GW. If he did, then yes, he would be our most illustrious NBA alum...by far.
thinker4/15/2018 10:22:29 AM
Its not sexist to want a search. Its sexist to call all the men by their last names or initials and the woman by her first name.
And if the PRESIDENT of the university knows who he wants to fill a key position then its stupid to call for a search.
The fans in the stands matter to a degree but not to the point of being stakeholders as I describe it. LeBlanc wants to put a winning program the fans will enjoy onto the court. If he does that then the fans will ultimately stay with the program. If somebody wants to quibble with HOW LeBlanc puts together a winning program then they can cancel their tickets in the meantime or contribute big money to get a seat at the table to discuss methodology.
Otherwise LeBlanc is already doing everything he believes he can to build a winning program and some unhappy fans don't really factor in much.
Its not that unhappy fans don't matter-- it's that their unhappiness doesn't change anything.
That's how it works with a President determined to have a winning program. It's less like that when we had someone like Knapp who never seemed to be that focused on the athletic program.
gw alum abroad4/15/2018 10:30:20 AM
Leading scorer on the 1939-40 team.
I thought LSF was old enough to have been a season ticket holder back then!
long suffering fan4/15/2018 10:31:21 AM
No, Thinker...it is not stupid to do a nationwide search for the best available candidate for a position of that magnitude. At the very worst, upon doing a nationwise search, it would have been determined that T.V. is best for the job, so then you hire her. (I don't know if she was mulling better offers so it was necessary to snatch her up quickly). I am completely in favor of hiring internally...just make sure that the best person for the job is hired, and you cannot do that without first looking to see who else is out there.
gw 08 alum4/15/2018 10:52:12 AM
Vogel's an impressive person and, while her resume isn't yet strong, there's every reason to give her the benefit of the doubt. The school has decided to rebuild the program from the ground up, so retaining MoJo and bringing in Tanya makes some sense to me. And, from what I understand, GW did do a nationwide search and had identified 2 candidates, each with more experience that Vogel. But at the end of the day, they decided on Tanya. That tells me, she's got a lot going for her. It also suggests she'll work well with MoJo.
thinker4/15/2018 3:00:12 PM
You understand that GW would have to pay real money to do a national search? And a national search involves tons of staff time.
Its not stupid to pay to do a search if you're not sure who you want in the position. If you know who you want already, then why pay to do a search?
bigfan4/15/2018 4:17:57 PM
It's sexist, racist and homophobic to do any searches.
Allen Iverson? Seriously?
Thinker must be covering up for a guilty conscience about his own feelings, so if he virtue signals by accusing others based on drivel, he won't have to confront his own disturbing thoughts. It's like a pyromaniac calling 911 to report the fire he started. Driving down the board with his own insecurities about his own prejudice.
What a sad excuse for collegial or even human behavior.
long suffering fan4/15/2018 7:38:54 PM
Did not mean to debate the issue of the hiring of the athletic director (but then again, with the exception of the Bolden transfer, there have been very few issues of substance to discuss in the off seasno). In my ignorance, I am not sure how the AD impacts the overall court performance of the basketball team beyond the hiring and firing of the head coach, marketing of the team and the putting together of a schedule, as it appears to be much more of an administrative position. (Yes, I am aware that there are also budgeting issues and other sports, of which I care very little about, even though I would like to meet up with Poog at a baseball game sometime, but I digress). I was far more upset about the manner in which the head coach was hired rather than the AD. But in response to GW 08, at the press conference, Leblanc stated that he became convinced that he could search the world over and not find someone more deserving, which seems to say that there wasn't a search done. Obviously I wish her luck and look forward to her scheduling home and homes with Ge**getown, Duke and Kentucky, adding 10,000 seats to the Smith Center that we will fill up for every home game. No, make that 2 games here and one game there vs. those schools.
thinker4/15/2018 9:50:44 PM
AND GW has a Fridays AND a Potbelly on campus!!!
alumnus4/15/2018 11:15:24 PM
Why is it necessary for every discussion to include bitter name-calling and character assassination? Some people think there are reasons to have a search for an AD. Some are willing to accept the school presidents prerogative to pick from within, without a nationwide search. It isn't like we're debating something earthshaking like whether we should be having a proxy war with Russia in the Middle East. I think it would be smart for some people to take a break from this board and get some perspective on life.
tuna can4/16/2018 10:14:10 AM
Agreed. We should all take a break... pretend we are the Caps and it's the Third Period. Relax. Share your position once or twice, but there iiss no reason not to be smiling in disagreement. I realize that some of you sincerely believe that this decision is make or break. I am thinking that the outcome is pretty random. Wee can all just sit back and watch. Let's see what happens. Go out today and plant some lettuce in the garden. Why not spend the week cleaning your screens so you can put them in next week. It's all good.
nj colonial4/16/2018 11:55:44 AM
I think it is understandable for fans to question why a rigorous national search for AD was not conducted. This is no way means that these fans are against Tanya Vogel. I for one am impressed with her communications skills and experience, her knowledge of GW and her affection for our Alma Mater. It does feel good to have an alum at the helm of Athletics. Remember that Bilsky left GW to return to his Alma Mater, UPenn.
nj colonial4/16/2018 11:57:01 AM
Hey GW69, your low opinion of GW must be leftover from 1969... outdated and inaccurate.
the mv4/16/2018 12:22:11 PM
Thanks for saying what I was about to say next NJ Colonial. Too many here seem to feel that there is no gray area in any of these discussions. They believe that anyone who wanted a national search to have been done is akin to either being sexist or somehow not liking TV. This is just crazy. Life just doesn't work this way. I thought TV did a fine job at the press conference and may very well go on to become a great AD for GW. It's also cool to have an enthusiastic alum in this position. But, if you feel that someone more seasoned or experienced should have been considered, then of course you would have liked to know who else was attainable. I'll reiterate that while I am sure that LeBlanc likes TV and is confident in her abilities, I subsequently feel that the TV-MoJo pairing is a shorter-term commitment in his mind compared with had a national search taken place. I said I saw MoJo getting an extra year out of this because if LeBlanc is to eventually clean house (and he absolutely will not do this if things are working out), I can't see him letting TV go in a year nor do I see TV letting MoJo go in a year and bringing in her own choice. Of course I could be wrong about this; it's only an opinion.
dudette4/16/2018 1:59:55 PM
Hey ZikkieBoy- nobody cares about you, Zikkiegirl or what you have to say so stop posting.
gw694/16/2018 4:33:27 PM
N.J.Colonial--I never said I actually believe it.I do however think it's an enduring myth that underlies a lot of reactions to
current events swirling around the school both academically and in the athletic sphere.I can't prove it.--but I detect a lot of
"we never quite measure up" damn it."When will we join the big boys!"everywhere.Much frustration here.
gw future4/16/2018 10:23:34 PM
The fake doc is back with new and improved quackery!
the dude4/16/2018 11:10:03 PM
Doc, the perception these days of GW is that its a great school. Ask any parent if they'd like to send any kid to GW these days, or GW Law School ..or some of the other grad schools, or ask any employer if they'd like a GW grad as an employee.
The hoops program which has now gone 23 years with just 1 NCAA victory, that's another story. We've only played 1 NCAA game this past decade. We'll get there. The 90s was a great GW decade, the last 2, not so much.
thinker4/17/2018 12:07:01 AM
If in fact you posted the above, you should read again what I posted. It's not sexist to call for a search. It's sexist to call all the men by the last names or initials, but then refer to the woman by her first name. It diminshes Vogel compared to the men by saying Nero, LeBlanc, ML, MoJo and Tanya -- like she's a girl. It's sexist. Just like calling an African American basketball player a wannabe thug is a racist term.
It's only stupid to have a national search for an AD if the President is really sure he wants Vogel. When GW hired LeBlanc, the BoD obviously gave him a mandate to put his handpicked team into place at a high speed -- which he clearly seems to be doing. If LeBlanc doesn't know how to pick his own AD -- when he clearly wants to have a firm hand in athletics -- then basketball is the least of GW's problems.
dea4/17/2018 12:38:14 AM
MV, is such a jerk, you can spot his actual posts from the level of him being a jerk. He's been saying racist and sexist things here forever.
porter714/17/2018 12:47:36 AM
I'm not sure how you call the 90's a great decade, but then count 5 of those years in your calculations about how GW basketball has struggled. The reality is that we are overly nostolgic regarding those teams and tend to overstate how good they really were in comparison to our recent teams. In reality, those GW teams were pretty much the same as the good Hobbs teams and the ML teams. In the 5 years GW made the NCAA tournament in the 90's, they never were higher than a 9 seed and rarely finished in the top 25. The most successful team made the Sweet 16 based largely on a pretty easy draw, then won only one more NCAA tournament game. These results aren't that much different than the 1 NIT and 3 NCAA tournament teams that Hobbs went to, or the 1 NCAA tournament and NIT championship seasons we saw under ML.
The main difference that lead to sustained success is that unlike with Hobbs and ML, the adminstration didn't kneecap the program until Jarvis left and they hired Penders. I think the recruiting restictions places on Hobbs after the Omargate scandal killed his ability to recruit the type of players he wanted. It was like telling Jarvis he couldn't recruit internationally anymore. He never really recovered. And its really hard to argue that the ML firing right before the season started, regardless of what you think of whether it was deserved, is what put us on the path to our current issues.
I know we all want GW to be successful, but I think we need to stay realistic on what type of program GW has been and not start pretending that we have some amazing basketball history. We don't have one.
porter714/17/2018 12:53:35 AM
Thinker - I'm really confused by your logic here. How is calling someone by their first name worse than calling someone by their last name or a nickname? You say it's dimishing, but I don't really get why. What does it imply? Not trying to start anything, I honestly don't understand your point.
the dude4/17/2018 1:24:12 AM
Its not confusing at all: How many NCAA wins in the 90s? How many times did the team make the NCAA tourney in the 90s? How many NCAA wins and NCAA trips in all other decades combined? That the 1 win in the tourney streak extends into the 2nd half of the decade doesn't make the 90s decade any less great for GW, it just happens to be true. Decade of 90s ended with NCAA trips in 96, 98 and and 99.
What is actually confusing is that you don't understand why referring to GW's Athletic Director by only her first name Tanya, and all of the men in leadership at GW by their last names/initials, is sexist.
porter714/17/2018 1:59:08 AM
I'm sorry. 3 wins in 5 trips just doesn't seem that much better than 1 win in 3 trips. Especially when the 3 wins came against UAB, New Mexico and Southern. I think you place too much value on wins in the tournament and not on the season as a whole. In the 90s, GW was a perrenial bubble team. Which is great for us. I'm not arguing that it wasn't the high point of GW basketball. I'm staying that it wasn't that much better than our recent successful periods. You make it sound like we were a perrenial top 25 team back then. Sadly, we weren't. The above averageness was just a little more sustained because of the lack of extenuating circumstances, which you just completed ignored in your response.
I like how you try to make a snide comment about the first name thing, and don't actually answer the question. How is a first name worse than a last name? Or I'll rephrase. Why is it bad to call AD Vogel "Tanya" on the message board, but it was totally ok to call AD Kvancz "Jack", which I think a lot of us did? It seems to me like you guys just want to pick fights and name call instead of actually talk about basketball.
gw694/17/2018 7:36:53 AM
Dude --ALWAYS appreciate your input.Trust your insights and enjoy your passion .
thinker4/17/2018 9:12:06 AM
In this context calling Vogel by her first name as opposed to calling all the men by their last names, initials, etc. makes her LESS. Like she's very junior or just a kid or really JUST A GIRL. it treats her differently and accords her less respect when the only apparent difference between her and th others is that she is a woman.
the mv4/17/2018 9:36:13 AM
Porter71, the "less respect" point isn't based on first name vs last name. It's that you are treating TV differently than JK, PN, etc. The whole thing is striking me as a vastly overrated point, not due to any sexism, but because some people just instinctively type in short-hand, use initials, etc. without giving a moment's thought to posting about a female in exactly the same manner as a male. Maybe this is sexist on a very deep subliminal level but I sense that this is a reach. It's like saying I liked JR better than Hall because I used JR's first name/initials while using Mike's last name. I find it to be a fairly innocuous point.
Thinker, I was not referring to you when making my comments. Really more directed at Poog who brought gender bias, or alluded to gender bias as the case may be, into the discussion to begin with. As for LeBlanc's decision, I would be inclined to agree with you Thinker if I felt that LeBlanc made the appointment with a distinct long-term vision in mind. However, I am not convinced that this is necessarily the case. I see TV/MoJo as a fairly short-term fix that can extend for many years if it works out. I don't see him giving each of them say 5 years to try to make it work if it's not working. Fior that reason, I can't see why we wouldn't have conducted a national search to include TV for such an important decision. It is difficult to make the claim that TV is exactly who LeBlanc wanted without learning more about who was also available and interested.
thinker4/17/2018 10:31:07 AM
It seems to me that LeBlanc is acting boldly and decisively in putting his own team into place. I guess one could argue that he didn't know what his choices were so he should have done a search -- OR you could argue I as do that he seems to clearly know what he wants and he clearly seemed to want Vogel. So if that is the case, why do a search? Only LeBlanc knew what his exact criteria were and since it would seem that LeBlanc is getting most everything he wants at this time, then I guess that Vogel met his criteria very well.
And calling Vogel by her first name isn't the crime of the century - and I didn't say it was. But it was sexist.
AND absolutely I agree with you on the notion of unconscious bias/racism/sexism/homophobia, etc. Much of it is subconscious. That's why Starbucks is now going to do unconscious bias training for managers after the nasty incident having two African Americans arrested for waiting in the store for their friends. Banks around the country do unconscious bias training for loan officers. And many organizations do as well. On 60 Minutes this past week there was a story on the company SalesForce which prided itself on being one of the very fairest employers in the country and prided itself on paying men and women equally for the same work. This was due to a very strong personal committment from the CEO. His HR manager said there was bias in pay and he agreed to have an audit done. He was stunned to find there were great pay disparities between men and women in his own company that was 100% committed to equal pay. Bias is cooked into our brain wiring. That's why we have to point these things out to people so they can become more selfaware of their own unconscious bias.
It's not so horrible to get caught displaying unconscious bias - we ALL have all kinds of unconscious biases. I believe that the human brain, instinctively and instanteneously comes to alert when it sees anything "different." It instantly turns "different" into "threat." The problem is not recognizing and acknowledging it when it is brought to your attention. The problem lies in not being aware of your own vulnerabilities to unconscious bias and failing to be alert to the possibility.
porter714/17/2018 11:09:19 AM
Thanks for the responses guys. I definitely agree about the prevelance of unconscious bias, especially in the items Thinker laid out above (the Starbucks incident was ridiculous). Just not sure I really saw it here with Bigfan's comments, which is why I asked. Just seemed like a shorthand way of identifying here, as Tanya is a more unique name in the GW sports world than Patrick or Mike and MoJo is a great nickname. I personally like using TV. I just never saw using a first name as a sign of disrespect or making someone seem like a lesser.
the mv4/17/2018 11:35:49 AM
Thinker, you could also argue that LeBlanc did not conduct a national search because he didn't want to spend the additiional cost it would take right now to do so. And, that if things are not turned around within several years, he could then clean house and conduct a search at that point. By the way, I am not arguing that LeBlanc isn't overly impressed by TV or that he doesn't want her to succeed. Of course he is and does. Just guessing that if a more experienced AD were hired with say a minimum of a 5 or 6 year window to succeed, TV has been hired not quite with this lengthy a window.
former colonials4/17/2018 12:43:57 PM
MV is a deranged loon, who has polluted this board for 15 years. You have to recall this is a man who was revealed to be posting as his polar opposite causing fights with himself for years and years then when that was revealed he threatened to sue herve to force him to take down the revelation. Just recall what you are dealing with here.
thinker4/17/2018 1:26:27 PM
Do I think that it's possible that LeBlanc didn't want to spend the money (and staff time) on a national search? Yes, I think that's possible. Given the apparent high degree of importance that LeBlanc seems to place on athletics, do I think it's very likely that he chose Vogel just to save money? No - that doesn't seem very likely to me -- but it is certainly possible. But even if it was done this way to save money - then that was part of LeBlanc's criteria for the position, so my point still remains the same. LeBlanc clearly knows what he wants and he wants Vogel so a search would have made no sense.
the dude4/17/2018 2:20:03 PM
Thanks Doc, appreciate it. You as well.
the mv4/17/2018 2:25:18 PM
Just to recap that Former Colonials (or is it Coloniall, or Colonial, or perhaps even another poster) post:
Deranged loon? No, not really.
Polluted this board for 15 years? No, I haven't been here for 15 years. And, I'm guessing that there are some who would not describe my contributions here as "polluting this board."
Revealed to be posting as his polar opposite, causing fights with himself? Nope, this never happened. Not even once.
Threatened to sue Herve? I have never threatened to sue Herve over anything.
Other than these corrections, you really nailed that last post "Former". Just so you know, you look like an idiot continuing down this path. You just could not be more wrong about everything.
mentzinger4/17/2018 3:00:14 PM
I'll put a bow on this to state that GW has become an excellent plave to run a D1 athletic department and flagship men's D1 basketball program without any experience whatsoever, and that's a pretty piss-poor self-image to have.
thinker4/17/2018 3:10:51 PM
I'll add a ribbon to your bow, Mentz -- If only your boy Lonergan could have kept his mouth shut and behaved himself and followed the directions of his bosses -- we wouldn't be in this situation.
the mv4/17/2018 3:26:40 PM
Is that right Thinker? Nero resigned over a year after ML was gone. What would PN's derparture have to do with ML being removed over a year earlier? How or why is ML somehow responsible for GW being in the market to hire a new AD?
mentzinger4/17/2018 4:31:41 PM
"My boy." LOL.
Pretty much everyone here knows I was pumping Dooley, including you Thinker.
But, you're right, being run off based on flimsy accusations not months after winning an NIT championship, mostly because you're angry your boss won't stop sexually harassing his staff or ML's players, that would be a bit of an issue.
How's the EEOC treating YOUR boy, Thinker? Do we have the results on that yet?
Oh. Right. PN got FIRED over it.
kleos4/17/2018 5:54:44 PM
Herve did prove that mailvan was blue seats and then MV sued him to prevent the revolution from staying on the board. That definitely happened. Sometimes when you get caught MV the best course is just to admit it. You never do though do you guy?
kleos4/17/2018 6:08:44 PM
Revelation that is.
brianpaul4/17/2018 6:10:01 PM
With all this man-boy sex talk, I was worried you were pimping Joe Dooley, Ment.
Try to recall the chronology (I know it gets harder, now that it's buried under all this crap). Mike Lonergan went to Japan as GWU's head coach, but already was on thin ice. He got disorderly, slipped, and fell through the ice, into the deep water, all on his own.
You live in a cold weather clime yourself. Be careful.
dudette4/17/2018 6:13:01 PM
Mentz- just ignore that moron Thinker. He knows the truth but continues to post his longwinded fiction here to cover up what his boy did. Sara is going to be set for life as is the former coach. Stinker has nowhere to hang out on weekends now that his boy sold his Dupont Circle pad but he can still visit him in Provincetown as long as he keeps the "spin" going. Poog might be the only one still drinking the KoolAid.
dudette4/17/2018 6:17:00 PM
Zikkieboy- ML went to Japan while your boy was not allowed to make the trip. The team went 5-0 and enjoyed the trip. I know ZikkieGirl has gone bye bye but that is no excuse for you to post lies on here. Go with Thinker to PTown before your buddy has to sell hiss share of that condo.
dea4/17/2018 6:58:27 PM
The level of depravity in the post from 6:17 p.m. Which so happens to mirror almost verbatim a prior sentiment from The MV are the two worst things ever written on this board. MV must go, a complete ban. Sorry, it's just that simple. This isn't a human being he is a depraved pyscho, just sick depravity. Is anyone else even bothered by this post at 617?
the mv4/17/2018 7:07:04 PM
I was bothered by it DEA, as well as by your reaction to it. It did not come from me nor would I ever write that.
bigfan4/17/2018 7:18:39 PM
Bothered by a lot of posts. Don't think we have to ban anyone, though it would be nice to have some decency.
And if you disagree with a very mild post, just state your disagreement like a decent human being, not try to tell a poster someone is "your boy" or use bullshit accusations wrapped in loaded terms that are really just designed to distract from the issue at hand.
brianpaul4/17/2018 7:53:58 PM
‘Dudette,’ I always figured you were MV, but without the stap-on dick. (Heck, you seem to show up, whenever he’s around. And, like him, you leave no [obvious] electronic trace.)
I find it disconcerting for you to refer to me by a name I gave up with my wife’s death. But, no matter. Some jackass (again, an associate of MV) has been actually posting as ziik. Well, so what, huh?
But, I find it disconcerting for you to be referring to my Sandra, to my dead wife, in any manner whatever. I am urging you not to do it again. Let’s make that strongly urging you. Don’t do it.
BigFan, the issue at hand is that 'Dudette' is referencing my dead wife in disparaging terms. Is that decent to you?
the mv4/17/2018 8:06:43 PM
Am sorry you had to read that BrianPaul but I am not Dudette and the post did not come from me. Nor did any of the others you are accusing me of posting.
brianpaul4/17/2018 8:07:48 PM
It must have been Bernadette, then. My mistake.
brianpaul4/17/2018 8:14:49 PM
No snappy answer?
the mv4/17/2018 8:36:09 PM
BrianPaul, I have no snappy answers. I have not disrespected your wife. I expressed my condolences at the time I learned this news. I made the mistake of claiming that you were lying on a post and that perhaps your grief might be clouding your judgement. I apologized for this, more than once. I suggested you take a break from this board. That has been my involvement in all of this. I have not posted as anyone else. I have not posted as myself and then accused someone else of doing so. You have attacked me for months now. Your accusations are untrue. You want me to admit to things that I simply have not said or done. I really can not be any more clear or any more honest than this. If you really want this to go away, then stop mentioning me in your posts and stop addressing me period. I have said all along that you will not hear from me if I don’t hear from you. So if you are serious about wanting it to stop, it really is that simple.
brianpaul4/17/2018 8:45:25 PM
Seriously? You call me a liar, claim it's somehow, understandable that I would lie, because my wife is dead? You're a brilliant fucking moron. You have lied about me, called me a liar, simply to defend your fucking narrative, and you expect to make a half-assed, justification, package it with a half-assed 'fuck you, you liar' and youmention my wife in the same paragraph, and repeat your crap over and over again, to make believe you are apologizing? And you expect what? That I will make nice with you?
the mv4/17/2018 8:49:54 PM
OK, then go fuck yourself.
Never let it be said that I haven’t tried. Yeah, you really want this to be over. Sure you do.
brianpaul4/17/2018 8:50:33 PM
Anything more? Or do you have to ask for help?
brianpaul4/17/2018 8:53:44 PM
Hey, you lied about me 10 years back, when I was selling shirts. You have not stopped lying. You take a little break, wait until you get another shot. Who the hell lies about shirts? Who the hell lies about another man's dead wife? WHo the hell lies about lying, when he's lied here for more than 10 years? Hell, you even lied about Tommy Penders, and that's damned near impossible to to.
How the Hell were you raised?
thinker4/17/2018 8:56:04 PM
Point well taken Mentz. Dooley is your boy. The only boy as such I've had was Mike Brey so i get it.
Worded more accurately, I believe, is that you opposed the firing of Lonergan. So I should have said we wouldn't be in this situation if the guy you opposed firing had behaved better.
brianpaul4/17/2018 9:05:22 PM
MF, you called me a liar, these past months, in order to buttress your own lie that Mike Lonergan was not fired for cause. I posted 1) that I was told he was disorderly in Japan, and that was the last straw for GW, because 2) The Post story was supported by recordings. Both times, you called me a liar, and said I was lying because of my grief over my wife's death
You conveniently used my wife's death to discredit what I said. That's what YOU did.
I cannot fathom why you did it. Could not comprehend it then, cannot now.
You have your own agendas, and you say any damn thing you want to promote them.
You're a Big Time Marketer, marketing petty little lies.
The past couple days, you carried on about your sick friend, and you want empathy for your sacrifices, and you buttress your demands for attention and empathy by claiming, falsely, that I had something to do with snotty little posts that you made on 4/7.
Hell, you're even marketing your friend's illness, and telling lies to buttree your marketing.
brian paul4/17/2018 9:18:39 PM
MV, I had no agenda respecting Lonergan. None. I didn't even read The WashPost article when it came out, because I figured, so what? He's not Mike Rice. But, I have learned enough to believe GW got it right. And I posted what I was told, nothing more. (Well, really, a bit less) The guy deserved the heave-ho. He was warned, maybe more than once, and he continued his personal crusade against his boss while downplaying his players grievances against him.
You have an agenda to whitewash his dismissal? Bring some facts. You don't, so you confabulate your own tales. Dissemble. And worse.
gw future4/17/2018 11:35:27 PM
Brian Paul has obviously lost the few marbles he had left. MV this is what happens when anger and senility conjoin to make a mess. He forgot he was Ziik. He is angry that you said bad things about Mrs. Ziik even though any of us who can read no otherwise. He talks to a fake doc and never misses an opportunity to support the dumb one from Kinkos. What a fucking mess and we all have to endure it.
brianpaul4/17/2018 11:45:05 PM
I had you blocked, Fucker.
Well, let's see what herve's new system can do.
Oh: for a guy who claims to be a reader, you cannot spell to save your ass. Maybe you need to see our resident doctor, for that area. The ass doctor.
gw future4/17/2018 11:57:56 PM
That’s about the 4th time you’ve claimed to block me fuckface. We all know you never will block me because you know I have the ability to expose your fucking batshit crazy posting here Mr. Ziik. You do follow hard remember? You and your 40 other screen names. What dumb MF talks to himself on a message board all day? Emphasis is on “dumb”.
brianpaul4/18/2018 12:14:26 AM
Fine. I will post a few photographs and see who recognizes you.
monument4/18/2018 5:23:47 AM
MV is sick, cowardly, inhumane. These posts about a man's deceased wife are so beyond the pale. Until he is removed from posting I am inclined to never visit this site again. Are you all too cowardly yourselves to say anything about this? It is sad the carnage he has done to this board, it used to be pleasure to post here. It's been taken over by a madman. A true gutter dwellar.
gw future4/18/2018 8:55:43 AM
Hey Monument go back and find the exact quote of where MV or anyone other than Dudette disrespected Mrs. Ziik. We’ll wait. In the meantime it’s a nice little fable you boys concocted to distract from the obvious. Don’t tell me what he said show me in context and then I will believe it.
mentzinger4/18/2018 9:36:56 AM
<<Wading through the thick fog of ersatz posters with hidden agendas flinging nonsense at each other>>
Yes, Thinker, that is a more accurate description of my position on the mishandling of ML's tenure as GW's head coach. Appreciated.
brianpaul4/18/2018 9:55:07 AM
Mentzinger: are you still a journalist?
rich maier4/18/2018 12:21:57 PM
Mentzinger, stop crying about ML. He got what he deserved. Ga ga goo goo.
mentzinger4/18/2018 12:27:08 PM
Oh Rich, the crying hasd just begun as our wins number trends down from "most all-time" to "maybe 10 if you're lucky."
But yeah, make it personal. Cool.
mentzinger4/18/2018 12:29:00 PM
Oh Rich. ... Crying?
We go from most wins in a season and an NIT Championship to maybe 10 wins next year and you bet I'm crying.
Way to try and make it personal, though.
brianpaul4/18/2018 12:52:00 PM
Jeebus. If you skip over a couple mediocre years between the good ones and the bad ones, keep doing that, life is over by the time you're 34. If you're lucky.
Cheer up, Ment. The sun will come out, the snow will melt.
rich maier4/18/2018 1:34:38 PM
Above post wasn't me - just BrianPaul/Ziik/etc using everybody's name in a cry for attention.
rich maier4/18/2018 1:51:34 PM
Mentzinger, you were the genius who proclaimed GW won its last game with quite a few games remaining. Perhaps you inspired the team as they went on a short winning streak. NIT Championship is for teams that are NOT good enough to make the 68 team NCAA tournament. You are aware of that I assume. Keep up your predictions you're so good at it.
mentzinger4/18/2018 3:19:51 PM
Yes, Rich, nice "short" winning streak, vs school record 28 wins the final year of ML. Who's the genius?
newgwfan4/18/2018 4:13:41 PM
ML was a disgrace to GW and so is mentzinger. Two disgusting homophobes, spreading lies, both with drinking problems and employment issues.
richmaier4/18/2018 4:17:39 PM
Mentzinger, you're right 28 wins is very impressive. Sadly Lonergan was fired. Let's just move forward, and wish ML well.
brianpaul4/18/2018 4:19:06 PM
Sorry to be tardy, Fucker. I had been told the photos I was promised was on its way.
formercolonial4/18/2018 4:26:26 PM
From ZikkieBoy-Bring some facts. You don't, so you confabulate your own tales. Dissemble. And worse.
It seems like your wife leaving you has caused you to speak to yourself ZikkieBoy. Look in the mirrow you loser. The truth is that ZikkieBoyGirl is the one with NO Facts. From what I hear ML was the one with the tapes and that is why GW settled.
former colonial4/18/2018 5:00:22 PM
I've posted as Former Colonial for years. Recently it has become obvious that MV is using my poster name to slander Brian Paul and his deceased wife in the worst possible ways. No One Believes that these names aren't MV including the use of my own poster name. He has made that painfully obvious
danjsport4/18/2018 5:21:19 PM
Can't we have differing opinions without massive attacks? Mentz doesn't like what's happened to the program since ML left. EVEN if we disagree about whether ML should have left--is anybody really happy with what the program has done since?
I'm of the opinion that if ML did what he was reported to have done (albeit with anonymous sources), he should have been fired. I'm of the opinion if Nero did what he has purportedly done (with no actual reporting other than discussion on this board and on the sports junkies), he should have been fired.
I'm also of the opinion that the monetary limbo of the University--related to the ML firing, and other issues--likely led to a "cheap" search for a coach and maybe even the hiring of a "cheap" coach. And, while I'm still more optimistic than others (like Mentz and LSF) about the direction Mojo could take this program (hopefully showing progress this year in the right direction), I don't think any of us can reasonably be pleased with how this has gone for the last two seasons.
Stop the personal attacks. Complaints are OK- and even reasonable.
the mv4/18/2018 5:39:19 PM
Herve, how is your "fix" coming along? That's right, the guy who, according to the 2 or 3 of you, has been spreading so many lies and disrespecting the deceased and stealing all of these poster names to the point where it's so "painfully obvious" that I am doing and saying all of these horrible things, wants to know when Herve can finally end my reign of terror. That makes a lot of sense, doesn't it? I'm having so much fun sabotaging this board that I'm urging Herve to put an end to this.
There are likely several of you, those who are hell-bent on framing me for whatever your reasons are, who can seriously use some counseling. BrianPaul, did you really accuse me of "marketing my friend's illness?" That's about the most despicable thing I've ever read. What a horrible, horrible person you must be. And if you want to go down this road, what I actually wrote is that you were lying and maybe that was the result of the grief you were experiencing. I did not disrespect your wife in any way, shape or form. What you actually wrote was that I was marketing my friend's illness. You are the vile, disgusting one. Period.
I am sure there is at least one other here, if not a handful, who are getting their jollies every time they see that they've upset me or when I come on here to have to defend myself. This is getting boring by now but one more time....I don't post as anyone but myself. I don't make up phony names except for one that I told everyone in advance I was doing. On these points, I will swear on anyone or anything you could possibly imagine. I don't own a web proxy server that allows me to hide my screen name so as to not be incriminated on Three Faces of Eve. That's why you'll see my name under The NV, because when I made a typo and posted by mistake under The NV, it shows up on Three Faces. If I posted as anyone else, it would show up there too. Or, if I had a web proxy server, then why did I show up under The NV? I was never Blue Seats, never threatened to sue Herve (am pretty sure I would not be here if I had), never attacked Ziik about his t-shirt business or his taxes, and am not the slightest bit guilty of the numerous transgressions which I am accused of here by an individual or individuals who are obviously trying to make me look like a horrible person.
If you don't believe what I am saying, all I can say is that you are wrong. Like I've said before, people who are in the right get to speak like this. And to paraphrase LFO, I am 100% right about all of this. So, I'll end the way I began...Herve, how far off are we from registration? One poster name per person. Exactly what I'd like.
brianpaul4/18/2018 7:20:56 PM
Actually, MF, I said:
"Hell, you're even marketing your friend's illness, and telling lies to buttree your marketing."
I regret misspelling buttress, but, as a computer marketeer/ass doctor, you fully understand marketing. You created a false equivalency between the one week (5 day?) illness of your 'friend' and the terminal illness and suffering of my wife, so as to garner some attention and to diminish the harm you did by falsely alleging that I was lying. And, you gratuitously suggested that I was lying because of my grief over my wife's death, to try to convince the board that you were not making the false slur about the 'lie.'
Hell, false equivalencies are taught in advertising and marketing classes as a matter of routine.
You're a skillful marketeer. Heck, you have some people believing that there is a guy named "Longing for Oscar" who did all the 'bad' things your accused of doing. But then, skilfull bait and switch man that you are, you claim that Longing for Oscar can say something sweet and nice about you, and because 'the other guy' says it, we will believe him when we do not believe you.
Nice work, Dudette.
dea4/19/2018 5:32:52 AM
Have you no shame at all MV?
mentzinger4/19/2018 10:57:15 AM
Just in full disclosure I am fully employed and an avid cocksucker. The drinking problem is spot on, though.
So NEWGWFAN, you are batting .333. Stick to baseball.
mentzinger4/19/2018 11:00:01 AM
But tell me again how having a novice AD and a novice head coach leading a flagship athletic program that's done nothing but go down since PN fired ML is a good thing.
the mv4/19/2018 11:32:41 AM
Brianpaul, I sincerely hope you don't believe the crap you're throwing out here. I really hope you are just trying to win arguments and make me look bad, and will say whatever it takes to make that happen. Because if you actually do believe what you are writing is the truth, then you really should get some help. Or at the very least, stay off this board.
For the record, I did not mention my friend's illness to garner any attention. It is sick for you to suggest this. It was mentioned because I was pissed that some imposter (maybe you, maybe not) was posting unfavorable shit as if it were coming from me. I had been off the board for the most part while I was helping to take care of my friend. I was mentally exhausted from the experience, not to mention completely depressed about it. When I saw this, I snapped, and explained the circumstances as to why I snapped. I was not comparing this to your own situation at all. Leave it to you though to seek out the worst possible motives for why I might post something here, no matter how wrong you may be, and of course, to make this about you. Which it wasn't, unless you were the person posting under my name. By the way, you may want to stop saying that my friend has had a 5 day or 1 week illness because similar to just about everything else, you couldn't be more wrong about that too.
nj colonial4/19/2018 11:45:57 AM
I really don't understand the personal attacks on this site. We all are a part of the same fanbase, supporting GW and the Colonials. Let's focus on what is important and stop cutting each other down. Or at least try to dabate and argue in a more constructive manner. Raise High (the discourse!)
nj colonial4/19/2018 11:46:28 AM
danjsport4/19/2018 12:10:18 PM
mentz-it is a good thing if it works. That’s not to say it will. And it’s not exactly the strongest argument. But, if you trust the president wants the school to succeed athletically, you trust that he wants to put the best people in place (within whatever financial constraints are there). Hopefully he bets right and they succeed. If not, it is certainly easy to say “should have hired more experiwnxed folks.” And you would have said that from the begining
seneca4/19/2018 6:16:59 PM
MV has always been the turd in the punch bowl on this site.
mentzinger4/20/2018 2:11:50 PM
At least we don't have to worry about Tanya being sexually attracted to the basketball players. The men's team that is.
the real dude4/20/2018 6:18:36 PM
We had to settle for the HC under "unusual" circumstances and now we will have to settle for an AD under those same circumstances. The narrative keeps repeating itself. We have an inexperienced coach, AD, ended up in the basement of the conference in standings, are in basement on money spent, etc, etc, etc.
Why don't we just cut our losses, save money and go D-3? Our current fan base and student interest is less than what Catholic U, Johns Hopkins and other D-3 schools have.
whats wrong with you4/21/2018 12:51:30 AM
Mentzinger, or whomever borrowed the handle, that 2:11pm post was absolutely horrible. Shame on you.